In a thread here a while back we were talking about marriage and being 2B'ed as a cadet.
Anyone else notice that its kinda funny that I can go out and make spawn a dependent but I can't marry the mother without being 2B'ed?
Now this is all hypothetical I'm not forming any little C/Lewis anytime soon .. but the rate of teen pregnancy is by all means going up, so isn't it about time CAP changes this or am I missing something.
What do you gentlemen (and ladies) think about this one?
I would imagine that it would run afoul in other areas of the cadet program not restricted just to the basis of the Cadet Oath, but not setting a great example leadership wise in the grand scheme of things. Someone serious about this is probably not going to be out recreating anyway and vice-versa.
Quote from: Daniel L on September 25, 2010, 01:36:40 AM
In a thread here a while back we were talking about marriage and being 2B'ed as a cadet.
Anyone else notice that its kinda funny that I can go out and make spawn a dependent but I can't marry the mother without being 2B'ed?
Now this is all hypothetical I'm not forming any little C/Lewis anytime soon .. but the rate of teen pregnancy is by all means going up, so isn't it about time CAP changes this or am I missing something.
What do you gentlemen (and ladies) think about this one?
You can marry her and remain a cadet if you're under 18. If you're over 18, transfer to senior membership status, then get married. Voila, no 2B.
You could, however, have other issues, such as statutory rape depending on the mother's age and the state you're in, which would result in a 2B.
There is not a simple answer to this issue, there's a lot of background that would have to be considered.
I think the line about marriage as a reason for termination of cadet membership was removed and is no longer in the current regulations.
Quote from: CAPM 35-3
SECTION A - CADETS
3. Causes To Terminate Cadet Membership:
a. Automatic Loss of Membership:
...
(2) Marriage after the age of 18.
...
Quote from: HGjunkie on September 25, 2010, 06:06:56 PM
Quote from: CAPM 35-3
SECTION A - CADETS
3. Causes To Terminate Cadet Membership:
a. Automatic Loss of Membership:
...
(2) Marriage after the age of 18.
...
They don't actually 2B anyone. Simply move those folks to SM status.
Did you mean to put the comment in the quote bubble?
Quote from: DakRadz on September 25, 2010, 08:44:49 PM
P.S. This means it was really HGjunkie's fault ;)
Edit-Fix'd quote brackets.
The reason it did that is because you didn't type anything- so there was only one [/quote] type tag, which only applied to the CAPM quote.
If he adds another [/quote] tag right after the first one, it will clear up.
P.S. This means it was really HGjunkie's fault ;)
Yes, I think a 2B would be harsh without giving the option to transfer to Senior Member Status.
Quote from: Daniel L on September 25, 2010, 01:36:40 AM
In a thread here a while back we were talking about marriage and being 2B'ed as a cadet.
2 BED....I get it!! hahahaha
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on September 25, 2010, 07:59:43 PM
They don't actually 2B anyone. Simply move those folks to SM status.
Depends on the unit and the situation.
Hide your marriage to stay a cadet to continue to partake of opportunities the program offers and you're out the door.
Quote from: Eclipse on September 27, 2010, 12:42:56 AM
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on September 25, 2010, 07:59:43 PM
They don't actually 2B anyone. Simply move those folks to SM status.
Depends on the unit and the situation.
Hide your marriage to stay a cadet to continue to partake of opportunities the program offers and you're out the door.
There I would agree. If one was going to get married at, say 19, and stay a cadet integrity would dictate that that one should inform the commander and begin the process of changing over to Senior. Otherwise, to hide the marriage, would be 1) 19th century romanticism not even to be seen in the "Prisoner of Zenda" (why not have a swash-buckling sword fight with your Deputy Commander for Cadets and have your identical twin cousin fill in for you at CAP during your nuptials) and 2) a violation of the core values of intergrity and respect.
Quote from: Eclipse on September 27, 2010, 12:42:56 AM
Hide your marriage to stay a cadet to continue to partake of opportunities the program offers and you're out the door.
While I don't disagree that hiding a marriage runs up against a Core Value or two, as a practical matter it's gonna be pretty near impossible for a unit commander to prove some troop is married if they are trying to hide it.
Regulations tend to lag a bit behind society. For instance, there is no authority to discipline a cadet for being in a "registered domestic partnership" (or whatever they call it in a given state.) Which raises fairness issues for married cadets who get seniorized while cadets involved in an equally committed RDP can stay in. the program Not to mention cadets involved in common-law relationships that have never filed papers with anyone.
Not really a huge problem in the scheme of things. If the rules work well for 99.6% of our cadets there may not be a pressing need to change them. But there are fairness issues involved.
I hadn't thought of that, Ned. But I guess that analytical skill is why you're the judge and I'm not. That and my grandmother's boss (attorney) told me when I was little: "Don't ever become an attorney." :D I never actually gave this entire topic much thought. There are some interesting questions in this issue (such as yours).
The basis for the Regulation on cadets getting married was handed down during World War II. It came direectly from the Corp of Cadets Regulations at West Point. Since CAP Cadets of the period were being trained to be officers in the U.S. Army Air Corp, the West Point rules applied.