I have some questions about what happens if I do the following:
Option 1. Not renew, and renew just before the 2yr break in membership: would I lose any TIG, CPPT, OPSEC EO status?
Option 2. Retain membership but inactively participate: If I am not participating then I don't think TIG applies respectively.
Option 3. Retain membership as patron member: again I am not sure that TIG would be accrued respectively if I am not participating to maintain my TIG and other qualifications.
Unless I am able to find a place where I can feel belonged and where more opportunities are available to me where I can be seen as making an important significant contribution I see no point in continuing my membership. I will either take a sabbatical from CAP or transfer to another wing although I am considering the 1st option.
Quote from: mynetdude on June 24, 2010, 02:11:01 AM
I have some questions about what happens if I do the following:
Option 1. Not renew, and renew just before the 2yr break in membership: would I lose any TIG, CPPT, OPSEC EO status?
You lose all of the above. TIG clock resets.
QuoteOption 2. Retain membership but inactively participate: If I am not participating then I don't think TIG applies respectively.
Retain all of the above, and TIG clock continues to count.
QuoteOption 3. Retain membership as patron member: again I am not sure that TIG would be accrued respectively if I am not participating to maintain my TIG and other qualifications.
Retain all of the above. Not sure on TIG clock, could go on hold.
Quote from: SarDragon on June 24, 2010, 02:16:15 AM
Quote from: mynetdude on June 24, 2010, 02:11:01 AM
I have some questions about what happens if I do the following:
Option 1. Not renew, and renew just before the 2yr break in membership: would I lose any TIG, CPPT, OPSEC EO status?
You lose all of the above. TIG clock resets.
QuoteOption 2. Retain membership but inactively participate: If I am not participating then I don't think TIG applies respectively.
Retain all of the above, and TIG clock continues to count.
Run the risk of getting a 2b for non-participation.
QuoteQuoteOption 3. Retain membership as patron member: again I am not sure that TIG would be accrued respectively if I am not participating to maintain my TIG and other qualifications.
Retain all of the above. Not sure on TIG clock, could go on hold.
Question....why do you wish to go inactive? If you don't want to play...why pay?
I did "Pay, No Play" for ten years. I had various reasons through the years, and maintained the possibility that I might re-affiliate with a unit. Eventually, I did, and have been participating ever since.
As for a 2b for non-participation, that's more a cadet thing than a SM thing, unless your unit commander wants to be a jerk.
Quote from: SarDragon on June 24, 2010, 03:13:40 AM
I did "Pay, No Play" for ten years. I had various reasons through the years, and maintained the possibility that I might re-affiliate with a unit. Eventually, I did, and have been participating ever since.
As for a 2b for non-participation, that's more a cadet thing than a SM thing, unless your unit commander wants to be a jerk.
The commander can be a jerk however he/she would still be within the regs to 2b a member (cadet or SM) if they are inactive though this is not a common practice (even with cadets in my wing)
Here's the entire section on SM termination:
SECTION B - SENIORS
4. Causes To Terminate Senior Membership:
a. Automatic Loss of Membership:
(1) Failure to renew.
(2) Voluntary resignation. Individuals wishing to voluntarily resign their membership must resign in writing and sign the resignation request. E-mail resignations may be accepted as long as they are received from the individual member and include the member's full name and CAPID. The signed resignation must be attached to the CAP Form 2b.
(3) Failure to maintain initial membership eligibility criteria.
(4) Payment of any kind made by bad check to National Headquarters if such check is not redeemed within 60 days of proper notification.
(5) Failure to respond within 45 days to National Headquarters' requests for additional background information.
b. Termination for Cause. Senior members whose conduct, behavior, or effectiveness fail to meet the standards of CAP as set forth in paragraph 1 of this regulation shall have their membership terminated for cause. Termination action may be justified by the seriousness of a single incident or by repeated minor incidents, none of which alone would justify termination action. Termination for cause is defined as follows:
(1) Conduct involving moral turpitude.
(2) Conduct unbecoming a member of CAP.
(3) Financial irresponsibility.
(4) Insanity, habitual drunkenness, sexual perversion, or illiteracy.
(5) Habitual failure to perform duty.
(6) Making a false statement to or concerning CAP.
(7) Serious or willful violations of CAP regulations or directives.
( 8) Substandard performance of duty over an extended period of time.
(9) Failure to obey rules, regulations, and orders of higher authority.
(10) Insubordination.
(11) Any other conduct, action, or incident which violates the policy set forth in paragraph 1 of this regulation, provided the reason for termination is clearly stated in the letter of notification.
I don't see where there's any provision for termination just for not participating.
Yep
Quote(5) Habitual failure to perform duty.
Quote( 8) Substandard performance of duty over an extended period of time.
If the reason he is going inactive is because of trouble with his current unit leadership....they may in fact be jerks.
Also....with a lot of the monthly reporting we have to do with things like safety and other mandatory training....there are a lot of no-showers who may find themselves 2b'ed.
Quote from: lordmonar on June 24, 2010, 03:07:12 AM
Run the risk of getting a 2b for non-participation.
I'll believe it when I see it. Most squadrons that I am familiar with - including the one I am currently in - would see at least a 50% senior membership drop if the inactive members were 2B.
Quote from: lordmonar on June 24, 2010, 05:06:23 AM
Yep
Quote(5) Habitual failure to perform duty.
Quote( 8) Substandard performance of duty over an extended period of time.
If the reason he is going inactive is because of trouble with his current unit leadership....they may in fact be jerks.
Also....with a lot of the monthly reporting we have to do with things like safety and other mandatory training....there are a lot of no-showers who may find themselves 2b'ed.
If there's no assigned duty, then there are no performance issues. ;)
^^^This.
And this is also why we get those wonderful emails from eServices whenever a new duty position is assigned to us. Its the formal way of saying that "you are responsible for ______" (If I remember correctly it even has something written out to that effect).
If you have no assigned duties then you have no issues with "habitual failure to preform" them.
Discuss it with your Squadron Commander. He/She will be one of the bigger helps with this process.
You could also transfer to Patron status, in which case you pay, not play, and keep everything in the event you wish to go active again.
I was there for quite a while.
Quote from: SarDragon on June 24, 2010, 04:43:17 AM
Here's the entire section on SM termination:
SECTION B - SENIORS
4. Causes To Terminate Senior Membership:
a. Automatic Loss of Membership:
(5) Failure to respond within 45 days to National Headquarters' requests for additional background information.
They don't cover that before they let you in?
(4) Insanity, habitual drunkenness, sexual perversion, or illiteracy.
People have become illiterate AFTER joining? How did they fill out the forms?
And oh what we could say about that "insanity" part...
When I moved overseas 16 months ago I went on inactive status with my membership transfered to NHQ squadron. When I eventually return to the USA I'll reafiliate with an active squadron. I don't know if this applies to inactive members remaining in the USA.
Quote from: tsrup on June 24, 2010, 05:47:27 AM
If you have no assigned duties then you have no issues with "habitual failure to preform" them.
Unless you happend to believe that a duty of CAP members is to regularly attend meetings and contribute something to the unit other than their dues.
Personally, WIWASC, I was fine with lettting ghost members stay on the roster. It doesn't hurt anything and it took more work to transfer them to the ghost squadron than it was worth. But, in todays world of lots of mandatory training for everyone, I would probably approach it differently.