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So after I get mine, that leaves 11 for everyone else. :)
One for me, one for you, two for me, one for you...
Quote from: EMT-83 on April 20, 2010, 12:05:04 AM
So after I get mine, that leaves 11 for everyone else. :)
wouldn't be surprised that some of them stay in Florida .. especially Col. Moersch doing the shaking! :)
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Nice pic under the headline. Now, which one is the Skylane, the twin engine jet or the Light Sport Aircraft?
neither one
Quote from: PhotogPilot on April 20, 2010, 03:38:20 AM
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Nice pic under the headline. Now, which one is the Skylane, the twin engine jet or the Light Sport Aircraft?
Ya know... 162... 182... they're close, right?
Heh, from that angle, that 162 looks like the taildragger models of yesteryear..
A few pixels added to the 6, it's got Glass .. no one will realize .. ;-)
Shouldn't you be in bed, or doing corrosion control on an antenna, or something? >:D
Well...
I am doing corrosion control. I'm waiting for Drano to "mature" in the drain .. and I'm building aircraft in the garage.
... (Flying dog houses.. and lawn mowers)
Are we adding to the fleet, or are we finally retiring the older airframes? Every time I read about how we are purchasing new aircraft, I see the fleet number of 550 aircraft holding steady.
550 is the cap for CAP aircraft. They trickle down new ones and push out the oldest or costliest ones that don't fit in with the current thinking scheme.
It's been said that AKWG comes up in "rotation" for a new aircraft, they point towards the lower 48 and say "give it to them, and give us the best one it replaces".. I wonder how 'true' this really is.
Quote from: a2capt on April 20, 2010, 03:56:15 PM
550 is the cap for CAP aircraft. They trickle down new ones and push out the oldest or costliest ones that don't fit in with the current thinking scheme.
It's been said that AKWG comes up in "rotation" for a new aircraft, they point towards the lower 48 and say "give it to them, and give us the best one it replaces".. I wonder how 'true' this really is.
Are we looking for a replacement for the Beavers? I would think they are getting pretty old now and we just lost one last year.
I happen to know that the older planes are being sold. CAWG has had three or four sold in the last several years and we now have been told that one of the 182s is just waiting until its engine reaches TBO(Time Between Overhaul) to be sold. The airframe on that one has about 7000 hours on it, so CAP has determined that it is uneconomical to replace the engine. I think that our count on glass 182 is either five or six.
I wish they'd start buying more 206s. The glass 182s have just gotten too heavy to have much useful load, especially the turbos.
Quote from: Mustang on May 13, 2010, 10:14:02 AM
I wish they'd start buying more 206s. The glass 182s have just gotten too heavy to have much useful load, especially the turbos.
N206CP
Yeah, and...? That was purchased 5 years ago, and appears to be an isolated event.
Quote from: bosshawk on April 20, 2010, 11:25:44 PM
I happen to know that the older planes are being sold. CAWG has had three or four sold in the last several years and we now have been told that one of the 182s is just waiting until its engine reaches TBO(Time Between Overhaul) to be sold. The airframe on that one has about 7000 hours on it, so CAP has determined that it is uneconomical to replace the engine. I think that our count on glass 182 is either five or six.
One of those former CAWG aircraft is now at the March ARB Aero Club still in the "new" CAP paint scheme.
N96658? One of those that I mentioned had been sold.
The Hill Aero Club owns one in the "new" livery, too.
A local club had two, a C172 that came from MIWG, and a C182 that came from CAWG. The C182 is no more. Some moron landed hot and short at Fallbrook, and flipped it over, off the end. The C172 apparently has moved on as it's owner retired and left with it.
With the number of former CAP aircraft that have ended up in military aero clubs. Do the aero clubs get "priority" during the sales?
Pacific Coast Flyers also have one ex CAP C-172 in the new livery.
http://www.pcflyers.org/N98219.php
Thats the one from MIWG.
I used that one to fly to the Wing Conference when it was in Fresno, and then the following year, at RSC, I ended up sitting next to the aircraft manager of it, when in was at the unit in MIWG.
Quote from: bosshawk on May 13, 2010, 05:19:20 PM
N96658? One of those that I mentioned had been sold.
658 is still with us; it's been parked at RHV for more than a year now minus the engine. National says that they're going to sell it, but nothing is happening as far as we can tell.
Thanks, Dave: I stand corrected. Hadn't seen it on the aircraft list, so assumed that it had been sold. anybody want a tail-heavy glider?
Quote from: PHall on May 14, 2010, 02:03:02 AM
With the number of former CAP aircraft that have ended up in military aero clubs. Do the aero clubs get "priority" during the sales?
Aircraft go to the highest bidder. There is no priority to any group. Money goes back to CAP for aircraft renovations and upgrades. BTW; existing C172s will be retrofitted with G500s instead of Aspens as cash becomes available.
Quote from: FW on May 15, 2010, 12:51:00 AM
Quote from: PHall on May 14, 2010, 02:03:02 AM
With the number of former CAP aircraft that have ended up in military aero clubs. Do the aero clubs get "priority" during the sales?
Aircraft go to the highest bidder. There is no priority to any group. Money goes back to CAP for aircraft renovations and upgrades. BTW; existing C172s will be retrofitted with G500s instead of Aspens as cash becomes available.
That's interesting, because most Aero Clubs are always short of funds. Or at least that's what they claim.
I know AKWG flies the Beavers, do they also have 172's?
Has CAPHQ replaced the Beavers once they 'Time out'?
Most of the AKWG Beavers are on their third or fourth engine.
As long as you "properly" maintain an aircraft they will last a long, long time.
Would trade the G1000 for a true FADEC. GA glass needs some more evoloution, still needs a lot of care and feeding., pre-and-in flight.
Fantasy CAP airplane - T41C, fixed pitch, 210 hp, three seats, 100 pound gross weight increase, Becker and IFR GPS.
182 is great for x-ctry or "patrol" type missions - not so hot in manuvering flight, or low and slow. Like wrestling with a fat guy.
Mountains an xception, of course - T41/172 wing won't go high.
Quote from: SunDog on May 18, 2010, 10:11:01 PM
Would trade the G1000 for a true FADEC. GA glass needs some more evoloution, still needs a lot of care and feeding., pre-and-in flight.
Fantasy CAP airplane - T41C, fixed pitch, 210 hp, three seats, 100 pound gross weight increase, Becker and IFR GPS.
182 is great for x-ctry or "patrol" type missions - not so hot in manuvering flight, or low and slow. Like wrestling with a fat guy.
Mountains an xception, of course - T41/172 wing won't go high.
I'll see your T-41C and raise you a O-2A. Windows everywhere, 4 seats and good high density altitude performance.
Quote from: PHall on May 19, 2010, 04:14:13 AM
I'll see your T-41C and raise you a O-2A. Windows everywhere, 4 seats and good high density altitude performance.
Sure, but how's its single-engine performance?
Quote from: Mustang on May 19, 2010, 05:02:13 AM
Quote from: PHall on May 19, 2010, 04:14:13 AM
I'll see your T-41C and raise you a O-2A. Windows everywhere, 4 seats and good high density altitude performance.
Sure, but how's its single-engine performance?
According to my buddy who owns/flies one, not as bad as is commonly reported by people who don't own or fly one.
Hey, O2 - good idea! I was thinking KISS, but that might be good. don't know the rwy or slow-flight chracteristics, but I beat it beats wrestling with a 182!
But, real world, who will fly it C17? we can't get guys to pay to fly the glass, since it's such a fuel hog. The rank-and-file guys don't want to drop a grand getting qual'ed in an airplane that's an hour away and costs so much to fuel.
Quote from: Mustang on May 19, 2010, 05:02:13 AM
Quote from: PHall on May 19, 2010, 04:14:13 AM
I'll see your T-41C and raise you a O-2A. Windows everywhere, 4 seats and good high density altitude performance.
Sure, but how's its single-engine performance?
Better than the 0 engine performance of either the 182 or 172. :)