I received an automated e-mail from NHQ not too long ago that discussed the phase out of the AFIDAL course in favor of the new OBC, and how the new OBC does not meet the requirements for the Eaker Award. Due to some personal stuff, I'm not sure if I'll be able to attend COS or RCLS, and would like to knock out the AFIADL 13 course. (If things turn around later, I would definitely apply for an in-house school.)
Are there any Cadets here who have completed it? I've researched quite a few threads here on the subject, and from what I can see, some are referring to it being online, or do they still mail it to you? Could someone give me a basic run down as to what the current procedure is?
I'm also curious as to what rank a Cadet would list... There is no "Civilian" or "Cadet" selection...
Also, it says that a copy of the PDF registration form should be CC'd do your wing commander and wing TCO, but... the registration form is now online...
That's about all I can see that I'm not clear on. If there's anything a Cadet should know about taking this test, please advise!
Quote from: PhoenixCadet on April 18, 2010, 02:50:39 AM
I'm also curious as to what rank a Cadet would list... There is no "Civilian" or "Cadet" selection...
When I took it the form had C10 or something to represent individual cadet grades. Don't know about the current form, if it changed.
A timely, related not today on the CadetBlog RSS:
Cadets must complete a Leadership Academy to qualify for the Eaker Award. This requirement is met by attending Cadet Officer School, a Region Cadet Leadership School, or through the correspondence course AFIADL-13. Professional Development has now introduced the Officer Basic Course as a replacement to AFIADL-13. The new OBC program will not fulfill the leadership academy requirement. Once AFIADL-13 is no longer available, the requirement will have to be fulfilled by completing either COS or RCLS.
We have extended the deadline to enroll in AFIADL-13 until 1 July. Members enrolling in AFIADL-13 have 1 year from their enrollment date to complete the course. Go to the Distance Learning Courses web site for more information and to enroll in AFIADL-13.
http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/cap_university/au_a46_students__usaf_dl.cfm
I tried reading through the reg pertaining to it, as well as poking around the AU site, but a lot of it is incredibly difficult to understand.
I'm still confused as to whether it is an online test, something administered by a wing-level TCO, or local squadron TCO. (As well as my previous listed questions.)
ECI-13 is a home-study course which has a follow-up, closed-book test proctored by your unit TCO or similar designate.
You sign up for the course, will receive course materials by mail, and when ready order the test which makes its way to you
through the Wing's TCO chain.
Quote from: Eclipse on April 18, 2010, 05:02:39 AM
ECI-13 is a home-study course which has a follow-up, closed-book test proctored by your unit TCO or similar designate.
You sign up for the course, will receive course materials by mail, and when ready order the test which makes its way to you
through the Wing's TCO chain.
Roger, thank you.
The form 23 is a PDF that is filled out, and you press that button on the bottom of it, and it packages itself up and links to your email application as an attachment and you are enrolled when you receive the books in the mail. You have up to 12 months to complete it, that is, make the request for the test.
the test will get sent to CAWG, who will then forward it to your unit.
Make sure to put the correct "shred" code on the form, the information is available in the Excel document that is linked near the AU Form 23.
Or bug me if you can't find it, and I'll get you the right number. You'll not get your test., if not get your enrollment kicked back.
The materials are four volumes plus the Tongue and Quill, your cadet materials should also be a good foundation for it. There is a list of corrections that need to be made in the materials, do those.. first.
Actually, as of very recently, the PDF Form AU 23 is also gone. It's now a web-based form on the AU 4/6 website.
As mentioned by a2capt, you need the shred code for your Wing HQ. It's available on the Excel spreadsheet at the AU 4/6 website or on the CAP webpage regarding AU 4/6 course signups.
Roger that. Thank you, gentlemen. I will register for the course in the coming days; I've got a bit of school I'm concentrating on at the moment.
Quote from: PhoenixCadet on April 18, 2010, 08:17:34 PM
Roger that. Thank you, gentlemen. I will register for the course in the coming days; I've got a bit of school I'm concentrating on at the moment.
I have been putting off registering, as I'm still busy with school, but would like to do so soon. However, I am still trying to figure out what to put for the Rank selection. There is nothing that fits a CAP cadet's status...
I don't recommend anyone taking the old 00013 course - wait for an on-line slot.
I attempted the old-version paper course, and could not get through Volume 1 because it was rife with historical errors (most blatantly, it said the Discovery was the shuttle destroyed in 1986). The thing was horribly edited, too. I'm not saying that to hurt anyone's feelings - just stating a fact.
Air University was good enough to disenroll me and get me a slot for the online course...my advice is to hold on until you can do same.
Quote from: WheelsUp on May 12, 2010, 02:29:41 AM
I don't recommend anyone taking the old 00013 course - wait for an on-line slot.
I attempted the old-version paper course, and could not get through Volume 1 because it was rife with historical errors (most blatantly, it said the Discovery was the shuttle destroyed in 1986). The thing was horribly edited, too. I'm not saying that to hurt anyone's feelings - just stating a fact.
Air University was good enough to disenroll me and get me a slot for the online course...my advice is to hold on until you can do same.
I'm a bit confused here. How exactly can I do that, if CAP is moving away from the 00013 course entirely, in favor of the online OBC? CAP said they aren't using the 00013 course anymore, and that Cadets will have to actually attend COS or RCLS, not the Air Force.
Unless something has changed since they sent out memos from NHQ, I'll be needin' to take the 00013 course, as I don't think I'll be able to attend COS or an RCLS in the future.
Quote from: PhoenixCadet on May 12, 2010, 02:44:13 AM
Quote from: WheelsUp on May 12, 2010, 02:29:41 AM
I don't recommend anyone taking the old 00013 course - wait for an on-line slot.
I attempted the old-version paper course, and could not get through Volume 1 because it was rife with historical errors (most blatantly, it said the Discovery was the shuttle destroyed in 1986). The thing was horribly edited, too. I'm not saying that to hurt anyone's feelings - just stating a fact.
Air University was good enough to disenroll me and get me a slot for the online course...my advice is to hold on until you can do same.
I'm a bit confused here. How exactly can I do that, if CAP is moving away from the 00013 course entirely, in favor of the online OBC? CAP said they aren't using the 00013 course anymore, and that Cadets will have to actually attend COS or RCLS, not the Air Force.
Unless something has changed since they sent out memos from NHQ, I'll be needin' to take the 00013 course, as I don't think I'll be able to attend COS or an RCLS in the future.
He's probably not tracking you are a cadet...
No, I am tracking on that...I'm just saying that the paper-version 00013 is pretty awful, IMHO.
Last thing I want to see happen is cadets being led astray in the facts of history, and that course will certainly accomplish that.
Quote from: WheelsUp on May 12, 2010, 02:55:42 AM
No, I am tracking on that...I'm just saying that the paper-version 00013 is pretty awful, IMHO.
Last thing I want to see happen is cadets being led astray in the facts of history, and that course will certainly accomplish that.
OK, well that's the only correspondence option as of today, warts and all. The OBC is not open to cadets and
it appears it will not be in the future.
That's really too bad. CAP needs to address this issue fast.
Quote from: WheelsUp on May 12, 2010, 03:17:26 AM
That's really too bad. CAP needs to address this issue fast.
They have - the OBC.
Allowing cadets to take ECI-13 was an afterthought used by so few cadets it was effectively zero. (Present company excepted of course)
If you're exercising the cadet option for ECI 13, do it now. You will not be able to do that later, and the replacement course is not yet open to cadets using it to fulfill the objective.
I'm of the believer that while the course may be pretty dry, if you are a cadet that is in need of it, you probably shouldn't have much issue with it at all compared to someone who's only background in CAP is Senior member to 1st Lt.
Quote from: a2capt on May 12, 2010, 07:21:48 AM
If you're exercising the cadet option for ECI 13, do it now. You will not be able to do that later, and the replacement course is not yet open to cadets using it to fulfill the objective.
I'm of the believer that while the course may be pretty dry, if you are a cadet that is in need of it, you probably shouldn't have much issue with it at all compared to someone who's only background in CAP is Senior member to 1st Lt.
Roger.
I'll be registering with them pretty soon. I submitted a question to their Help Desk in regard to what rank I'm supposed to use to register. (Some may not think this is a big deal, but I really don't want to screw anything up.) As soon as I get a response, I'll submit the info.
PhoenixCadet, I'm in the same boat as you as far as registration. Have you received a response from the help desk yet about what to put for grade?
Quote from: RobertAmphibian on May 18, 2010, 03:52:35 AM
PhoenixCadet, I'm in the same boat as you as far as registration. Have you received a response from the help desk yet about what to put for grade?
Not yet, but I'm not putting much hopes in it, either. It's been a while since I submitted it. There's plenty of pre-selections you need to make to ensure that you're a CAPer and not an AF member, so if I register before getting a response, I'll just put O-2.
There's no plain "Civilian" option, so matching it to my Cadet grade is the best thing I can come up with, and since the course is the same for all CAP members, regardless of what rank you select, I would hazard a guess that this specific part doesn't quite matter (see my previous comment about there being plenty of pre-selections stating I'm a CAP member).
If it does turn out to be a "problem" in their eyes, IMO, it's their fault for not providing clear guidance on the subject.
PhoenixCadet,
The previous version of CAPR50-17 had a complete chart with the codes:
C/2Lt: C-1
C/1Lt: C-2
C/Cpt: C-3
C/Maj: C-4
C/LTC: C-5
C/LTC: C-6
On the CAP University webpage, there is an e-mail address and phone for Ms Jennifer Carroll, CAP's Professional Development Registrar and knowledgeable of all things AU A4/6. And since this is/was a Professional Development course, you could have asked your wing's friendly Director of Professional Development if you had any questions.
Be patient with the AU eCampus Help Desk. They serve the Air Force's world-wide correspondence program and can be a bit slow to respond sometimes.
Roger that, sir. I will contact Ms. Carroll ASAP. Thank you!
It seems the C-x ranks have dropped off there. Select O-2, and use the comment box, or call 'em tomorrow.. I have found with answers related to AU, to just call. It gets caught in a never ever answer loop online. They just need to make sure you're CAP. You're correct, it's the same course regardless.
Download the spreadsheet, get the "shred code" for CAWG, Van Nuys, and you're done.
Quote from: a2capt on May 18, 2010, 04:53:18 AM
It seems the C-x ranks have dropped off there. Select O-2, and use the comment box, or call 'em tomorrow.. I have found with answers related to AU, to just call. It gets caught in a never ever answer loop online. They just need to make sure you're CAP. You're correct, it's the same course regardless.
Download the spreadsheet, get the "shred code" for CAWG, Van Nuys, and you're done.
Roger. I've still got a bit of time, and just fired off an e-mail to Ms. Carroll at NHQ. I'll call AU tomorrow, and if they can get me an answer, I'll go ahead with it ASAP.
Just received an e-mail back from Jennifer Carroll at NHQ. She said (what I was going to do) use the senior-member equivilant of your cadet grade.
Now that the online AFIADL system is back up, I finally submitted my application. We'll see how this goes.
In this day and age, is it possible to set a RCLS through online classroom?
Kinda like my college classes are done?