Hi,
I did a search here and through 39-1 and I can't find anything that says there is any "required" type of black shoe. I have a pair that looks very similar to the ones suggested on this site. As long as they are black and hold a good shine, are there any hidden regulations I should know about? I think one person told me the only real no-no would be ornate or overly decorative shoes. The ones I have are pretty plain.
thanks!
QuoteBlack oxford; lace-up style with a plain rounded toe or a plain rounded capped toe; without perforation or design, sole will not exceed 1/2 inch in thickness and the heel will not exceed 1 inch in height (measured from
the inside front of the heel); may have low wedge heel; smooth or scotch grained leather or man-made material; high gloss or patent finish.Quote
Here's what 39-1 says.
Does not saying anything about it being a particular brand or model.
A plain "military style" lace up oxford will meet the requirement. They can be found in just about any shoe store. There are also several websites that sell military clothing items. The high gloss patient leather style are also acceptable and that is what you will find most AF personnel wearing. The military supply companies usually have those if not not check police uniform sites as alot of police depts still wear them. Also occasionally you will see an AF member usually pilots wearing black wellington boots with both flight suit and service uniforms.
Quote from: C-150 on April 11, 2010, 03:44:00 PMAlso occasionally you will see an AF member usually pilots wearing black wellington boots with both flight suit and service uniforms.
Ropers and Wellingtons are actually specifically mentioned in 39-1 as authorized for wear with the flightsuit.
Most Ropers and Wellingtons meet the criteria in both 39-1 (and 36-2903) for "dress boots". They're all I wear with blues or flightsuits. They shine well, and most people don't even realize I'm wearing a boot until they notice they don't have any laces.
Bates Footware Lites Black High Gloss is what I wear with mine, they retail pretty high ($120) but are a nice looking and comfortable shoe. I got mine on eBay for about $35 after shipping.
http://www.batesfootwear.com/US/en-us/Product.mvc.aspx/8445M/0/Footwear/Mens/Bates-Lites-Black-High-Gloss-Oxford?galleryId=G-F
Bet your feet will sweat in them on a hot day, and you'll cry the first time you scuff them. Killed two pairs of the plastic shoes during my cadet daze. Wear leather DSCP issue ones now.
For what I paid, if they scuff that bad, I don't think I'll be crying to get a new pair.
Quote from: MIKE on April 13, 2010, 05:18:53 PM
Bet your feet will sweat in them on a hot day, and you'll cry the first time you scuff them. Killed two pairs of the plastic shoes during my cadet daze. Wear leather DSCP issue ones now.
And I've worn Corfam shoes for over 30 years with no problems. The Bates Lites I have are no hotter then any other shoe I've worn.
It's pretty much YMMV.
You do have to try to not scuff them, and most of the minor stuff buffs right out. And for that reason I don't recommend them for cadet wear.
It's pretty much a personal preference thing.
http://www.qmuniforms.com/Product/lawpro-hi-gloss-dress-oxford/PPS87+100/200307 (http://www.qmuniforms.com/Product/lawpro-hi-gloss-dress-oxford/PPS87+100/200307)
I recommend these. Great value and quality.
Quote from: indygreg on April 13, 2010, 08:13:59 PM
http://www.qmuniforms.com/Product/lawpro-hi-gloss-dress-oxford/PPS87+100/200307 (http://www.qmuniforms.com/Product/lawpro-hi-gloss-dress-oxford/PPS87+100/200307)
I recommend these. Great value and quality.
They look nice but mine always squeek when I walk. Now I know why I didn't wear them when I was working.
I asked a question awhile back related to wearing combat boots with blues obviously this isn't what this is about anyway...
because of my orthopedic needs I prefer dress boots that have high tops otherwise when I put my orthopedic inserts in my ankle will be too high and the bottom of my feet will be closer to the top of the shoe (making a tighter fit) thus degrading overall support for my feet.
I obtained a pair of Oakley field boots which has significantly helped me in situations I could not normally do with the issued boots however I cannot wear those field boots with my blues, only the issued combat boots (provided they are shined).
IF I could obtain a pair of high ankle/high gloss pair of boots that would meet the regulation requirement to be laced as well I could use that for blues, flight suits, etc I'd like to know if anybody knows of any?
I did a google search for hi gloss oxford boots and most appear to look like the oxford shoes that I buy at stores or military surplus stores, etc.
Quote from: Grumpy on April 13, 2010, 09:50:15 PM
Quote from: indygreg on April 13, 2010, 08:13:59 PM
http://www.qmuniforms.com/Product/lawpro-hi-gloss-dress-oxford/PPS87+100/200307 (http://www.qmuniforms.com/Product/lawpro-hi-gloss-dress-oxford/PPS87+100/200307)
I recommend these. Great value and quality.
They look nice but mine always squeek when I walk. Now I know why I didn't wear them when I was working.
Sprinkle a bunch of talcum powder into them, shake it around inside, walk around in them a bit, them shake out the excess. Might make your sox a little white for a while, but the shoes won't squeak any more.
Quote from: indygreg on April 13, 2010, 08:13:59 PM
http://www.qmuniforms.com/Product/lawpro-hi-gloss-dress-oxford/PPS87+100/200307 (http://www.qmuniforms.com/Product/lawpro-hi-gloss-dress-oxford/PPS87+100/200307)
I recommend these. Great value and quality.
Thanks for posting this. As a DCC, one of the biggest challenges is finding affordable shoes for cadets. Now if only my BDU problem could be solved. :)
You might check this place out for uniform and shoe items. I have always been pleased with the items and the service:
http://www.olcnet.com/
Quote from: capchiro on April 27, 2010, 02:57:44 PM
You might check this place out for uniform and shoe items. I have always been pleased with the items and the service:
http://www.olcnet.com/
Sadly that site is gone now
That must be my bad. I received a flyer from him just last week. I will check and see if he has a different site or if he is only mail order now. He had new regulation combat boots for $40.00 and dress leathers for $35.00. I will check tonight and post again tomorrow.
It would appear that his domain has just recently expired and he may not have been aware of it.
However, now register.com will charge an additional $25 "fee" in addition to the yearly amount.
Quote from: a2capt on April 27, 2010, 04:18:08 PM
It would appear that his domain has just recently expired and he may not have been aware of it.
However, now register.com will charge an additional $25 "fee" in addition to the yearly amount.
why would they do that? That's ridiculous, just go to godaddy for $10/yr
so if he forgot or discontinued :S mebbe if he gets a call or notices a slowdown of business. I have ordered from OLCnet before.
Quote from: mynetdude on April 27, 2010, 05:29:22 PM
Quote from: a2capt on April 27, 2010, 04:18:08 PM
It would appear that his domain has just recently expired and he may not have been aware of it.
However, now register.com will charge an additional $25 "fee" in addition to the yearly amount.
why would they do that? That's ridiculous, just go to godaddy for $10/yr
That's not how it works - domain names are an internet commodity these days, and if you forget to renew they generally
go to a clearhouse for people to buy for parking - depending on how bad you want it back it can be
very expensive.
Once a domain goes out of service with one provider, you generally can't transfer it to another provider until you catch up the
invoices, etc.
GoDaddy started charging $80 for the same thing ;-)
If you try to renew it after the 'grace period', you have to pay the renewal and an $80 fee to get it out of hock..
But Register.com hits you with the $25 right at the stroke of midnight.
You can threaten via phone to move off register.com and they will lower their $35/year to $14/year, and you can move that expired domain within 30 days, and the loosing registrar can NOT use non-payment as a reason to hold your domain per ICANN rules. So you can avoid these fee problems by transferring between registrars.
You have a grace period of both right to renew and then there is another grace period before it's "released", but most of the time they are never released again, as the registrars themselves have their own domain mills that grab everything and just pay the ICANN fee of 18 cents on a gamble that in the larger picture they will break even when in fact they make bank on it all.
As for the black shoes, probably calling the phone number for Old Lincoln will get you the information, though OTOH, that was recently discussed too, that the information was wrong.
But then that mention of a flyer recently arriving .. so someone is breathing someplace.
Quote from: mynetdude on April 27, 2010, 02:10:16 AM
I asked a question awhile back related to wearing combat boots with blues obviously this isn't what this is about anyway...
because of my orthopedic needs I prefer dress boots that have high tops otherwise when I put my orthopedic inserts in my ankle will be too high and the bottom of my feet will be closer to the top of the shoe (making a tighter fit) thus degrading overall support for my feet.
I obtained a pair of Oakley field boots which has significantly helped me in situations I could not normally do with the issued boots however I cannot wear those field boots with my blues, only the issued combat boots (provided they are shined).
IF I could obtain a pair of high ankle/high gloss pair of boots that would meet the regulation requirement to be laced as well I could use that for blues, flight suits, etc I'd like to know if anybody knows of any?
I did a google search for hi gloss oxford boots and most appear to look like the oxford shoes that I buy at stores or military surplus stores, etc.
For almost my entire Army Career and since I have worn plain toe black "western" style boots with the Army Green Uniform and CAP uniforms. As other posters mentioned most folks don't even realize I am wearing boots. For the high shine, nothing beats Kiwi shoe polish and cotton balls. You can "harden" the shine by shaving a candle (not too much) then putting the shaving int the Kiwi can and applying heat to melt the candle and shoe polish together. (Caution, shoe polish is very fameable and will catch fire easy. When it does, remove the heat and put the lid on the can. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO BLOW IT OUT Unless you want to repaint walls, replace carpet, refinish furniture, etc - It will make a mess. This will not equal the shine off "plastic" shoes, but they will shine up nicely, cost less than plastic shoes, and last for years and years. (The boots I wear with my flight suit as 20 years old).
Quote from: cachambliss on April 28, 2010, 02:36:02 AM
Quote from: mynetdude on April 27, 2010, 02:10:16 AM
I asked a question awhile back related to wearing combat boots with blues obviously this isn't what this is about anyway...
because of my orthopedic needs I prefer dress boots that have high tops otherwise when I put my orthopedic inserts in my ankle will be too high and the bottom of my feet will be closer to the top of the shoe (making a tighter fit) thus degrading overall support for my feet.
I obtained a pair of Oakley field boots which has significantly helped me in situations I could not normally do with the issued boots however I cannot wear those field boots with my blues, only the issued combat boots (provided they are shined).
IF I could obtain a pair of high ankle/high gloss pair of boots that would meet the regulation requirement to be laced as well I could use that for blues, flight suits, etc I'd like to know if anybody knows of any?
I did a google search for hi gloss oxford boots and most appear to look like the oxford shoes that I buy at stores or military surplus stores, etc.
For almost my entire Army Career and since I have worn plain toe black "western" style boots with the Army Green Uniform and CAP uniforms. As other posters mentioned most folks don't even realize I am wearing boots. For the high shine, nothing beats Kiwi shoe polish and cotton balls. You can "harden" the shine by shaving a candle (not too much) then putting the shaving int the Kiwi can and applying heat to melt the candle and shoe polish together. (Caution, shoe polish is very fameable and will catch fire easy. When it does, remove the heat and put the lid on the can. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO BLOW IT OUT Unless you want to repaint walls, replace carpet, refinish furniture, etc - It will make a mess. This will not equal the shine off "plastic" shoes, but they will shine up nicely, cost less than plastic shoes, and last for years and years. (The boots I wear with my flight suit as 20 years old).
I have never been able to shine any of my shine-able shoes or boots, even putting elbow grease into it I guess I am just not doing it hard enough. I have heard of some members say that you can't tell they are wearing boots because you can't see the laces on the regular shoes unless you're sitting in a position that would cause your "laces" to appear.
I wished the regulations would include oxford type boots (heh if such existed) so what brand boots do you have (if still manufactured) or do you know of that would be equivalent to yours?
Quote from: mynetdude on April 28, 2010, 06:39:34 AMI wished the regulations would include oxford type boots (heh if such existed) so what brand boots do you have (if still manufactured) or do you know of that would be equivalent to yours?
Ropers and Wellingtons were initially a specific brand, but the term is now used to describe a "western style" boot with a rounded toe (the toe has almost the exact same shape as standard military issue low quarters), and have no decorative type stitching (any stitching holds the boot together, nothing is added for appearance).
Here's a good example of an acceptable Roper: Linky (http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-5152391706989_2100_1411252)
There are Wellingtons that are similar, but I haven't seen a good picture of an appropriate one in the first few dozen links on a search.
I've only ever worn Ropers, Wellington's seem to have a thicker heel.
Quote from: mynetdude on April 28, 2010, 06:39:34 AM
Quote from: cachambliss on April 28, 2010, 02:36:02 AM
Quote from: mynetdude on April 27, 2010, 02:10:16 AM
I asked a question awhile back related to wearing combat boots with blues obviously this isn't what this is about anyway...
because of my orthopedic needs I prefer dress boots that have high tops otherwise when I put my orthopedic inserts in my ankle will be too high and the bottom of my feet will be closer to the top of the shoe (making a tighter fit) thus degrading overall support for my feet.
I obtained a pair of Oakley field boots which has significantly helped me in situations I could not normally do with the issued boots however I cannot wear those field boots with my blues, only the issued combat boots (provided they are shined).
IF I could obtain a pair of high ankle/high gloss pair of boots that would meet the regulation requirement to be laced as well I could use that for blues, flight suits, etc I'd like to know if anybody knows of any?
I did a google search for hi gloss oxford boots and most appear to look like the oxford shoes that I buy at stores or military surplus stores, etc.
For almost my entire Army Career and since I have worn plain toe black "western" style boots with the Army Green Uniform and CAP uniforms. As other posters mentioned most folks don't even realize I am wearing boots. For the high shine, nothing beats Kiwi shoe polish and cotton balls. You can "harden" the shine by shaving a candle (not too much) then putting the shaving int the Kiwi can and applying heat to melt the candle and shoe polish together. (Caution, shoe polish is very fameable and will catch fire easy. When it does, remove the heat and put the lid on the can. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO BLOW IT OUT Unless you want to repaint walls, replace carpet, refinish furniture, etc - It will make a mess. This will not equal the shine off "plastic" shoes, but they will shine up nicely, cost less than plastic shoes, and last for years and years. (The boots I wear with my flight suit as 20 years old).
I have never been able to shine any of my shine-able shoes or boots, even putting elbow grease into it I guess I am just not doing it hard enough. I have heard of some members say that you can't tell they are wearing boots because you can't see the laces on the regular shoes unless you're sitting in a position that would cause your "laces" to appear.
I wished the regulations would include oxford type boots (heh if such existed) so what brand boots do you have (if still manufactured) or do you know of that would be equivalent to yours?
I always relied on Army Regulation 670-1 which basically stated commercially available boots were acceptable for wear as long as they were black, round plain toe, with no buckles, straps, zippers (their attempt to do away with Tanker Boots that did not always work), and no excessive heel height.
I actually found these available in the PX system. However, on the commercial market, I just bought a new pair for dress up as my old ones (airport boots) are getting kinda scuffed up. What I am wearing now are Laredo Brand, Style 4420 which cost about $70.00. I have them highly shined, but not "spit shined".
Quote from: cachambliss on April 28, 2010, 02:20:27 PM
Quote from: mynetdude on April 28, 2010, 06:39:34 AM
Quote from: cachambliss on April 28, 2010, 02:36:02 AM
Quote from: mynetdude on April 27, 2010, 02:10:16 AM
I asked a question awhile back related to wearing combat boots with blues obviously this isn't what this is about anyway...
because of my orthopedic needs I prefer dress boots that have high tops otherwise when I put my orthopedic inserts in my ankle will be too high and the bottom of my feet will be closer to the top of the shoe (making a tighter fit) thus degrading overall support for my feet.
I obtained a pair of Oakley field boots which has significantly helped me in situations I could not normally do with the issued boots however I cannot wear those field boots with my blues, only the issued combat boots (provided they are shined).
IF I could obtain a pair of high ankle/high gloss pair of boots that would meet the regulation requirement to be laced as well I could use that for blues, flight suits, etc I'd like to know if anybody knows of any?
I did a google search for hi gloss oxford boots and most appear to look like the oxford shoes that I buy at stores or military surplus stores, etc.
For almost my entire Army Career and since I have worn plain toe black "western" style boots with the Army Green Uniform and CAP uniforms. As other posters mentioned most folks don't even realize I am wearing boots. For the high shine, nothing beats Kiwi shoe polish and cotton balls. You can "harden" the shine by shaving a candle (not too much) then putting the shaving int the Kiwi can and applying heat to melt the candle and shoe polish together. (Caution, shoe polish is very fameable and will catch fire easy. When it does, remove the heat and put the lid on the can. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO BLOW IT OUT Unless you want to repaint walls, replace carpet, refinish furniture, etc - It will make a mess. This will not equal the shine off "plastic" shoes, but they will shine up nicely, cost less than plastic shoes, and last for years and years. (The boots I wear with my flight suit as 20 years old).
I have never been able to shine any of my shine-able shoes or boots, even putting elbow grease into it I guess I am just not doing it hard enough. I have heard of some members say that you can't tell they are wearing boots because you can't see the laces on the regular shoes unless you're sitting in a position that would cause your "laces" to appear.
I wished the regulations would include oxford type boots (heh if such existed) so what brand boots do you have (if still manufactured) or do you know of that would be equivalent to yours?
I always relied on Army Regulation 670-1 which basically stated commercially available boots were acceptable for wear as long as they were black, round plain toe, with no buckles, straps, zippers (their attempt to do away with Tanker Boots that did not always work), and no excessive heel height.
I actually found these available in the PX system. However, on the commercial market, I just bought a new pair for dress up as my old ones (airport boots) are getting kinda scuffed up. What I am wearing now are Laredo Brand, Style 4420 which cost about $70.00. I have them highly shined, but not "spit shined".
thanks this will be very helpful so I can get into another uniform that requires black shoes (other than AF blues).