For CAP, what kind of hair do you need and also, does it offer Para rescue as one of the things to do? I'm not in CAP yet, but I maybe soon..
Brown hair. No para-rescue.
Conservative style men's hair cut. Hair off the ears and off the collar
is a good start.
CAP has a cadet special activity that is hosted by the Air Force that
includes interaction with AF Para rescuemen. It is called PJOC,
ParaJumpers Orientation Course. No Pararescue training at the local
level. :D ;)
Quote from: JC004 on March 17, 2010, 12:12:00 AM
Brown hair.
39-1 Clearly shows black hair in the grooming standards...way to give him bad info. :P
As for the OP, are you looking at joining as a cadet or adult member?
jimmyd, could that be purple or dark green that copied black? :o
I don't have any hair...
Quote from: Walkman on March 17, 2010, 04:53:55 AM
I don't have any hair...
Then you must submit your 2b ASAP in triplicate! Turn in your badge, your keys and all the gear you have squirled away! The Black Vans will be at your house in 15 minutes.
Come on guys, lets not scare off the newbie, yet.
juicedude, if you look at http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/M39_1_atchs.pdf it will give you the grooming guidelines as well as the height/weight regulations to be able to wear a Air Force uniforms. However, don't sweat it if you don't fit the grooming or the weight stuff, there are uniforms styles that can be worn by those members who fall outside those regulations.
As for para-rescue, we have not done that since WWII :)
Quote from: lordmonar on March 17, 2010, 08:29:48 AMThen you must submit your 2b ASAP in triplicate! Turn in your badge, your keys and all the gear you have squirled away! The Black Vans will be at your house in 15 minutes.
Walkman cannot respond. Do not ask why. Just keep going about your business.
Quote from: Marshalus on March 17, 2010, 12:22:15 PM
However, don't sweat it if you don't fit the grooming or the weight stuff, there are uniforms styles that can be worn by those members who fall outside those regulations.
Unless he's a cadet, then he has to meet grooming.
What kind of hair do you need?
Silver
Silver Hair Patrol
Quote from: davidsinn on March 17, 2010, 01:27:51 PM
Quote from: Marshalus on March 17, 2010, 12:22:15 PM
However, don't sweat it if you don't fit the grooming or the weight stuff, there are uniforms styles that can be worn by those members who fall outside those regulations.
Unless he's a cadet, then he has to meet grooming.
True
Quote from: DG on March 17, 2010, 01:47:37 PM
What kind of hair do you need?
Silver
Silver Hair Patrol
I resemble that remark thank you!!
Unless he is a cadet over 18 and doesn't meet the weight classes then he has to wear CAP distinctive.. hehe... I love all of the different uniforms... so pretty... and diverse....
Quote from: AirAux on March 17, 2010, 02:16:40 PM
Unless he is a cadet over 18 and doesn't meet the weight classes then he has to wear CAP distinctive.. hehe... I love all of the different uniforms... so pretty... and diverse....
Even then, a cadet still has to met the standards.
You asked if CAP offers Para Rescue. CAP is the only organization that offers the Para Rescue Orientation Course, Combat Control Orientation Course where you can participate in some very limited training with them during the summer. Just to clarify, we do not DO Para Rescue. I have met prospective cadets who thought Para Rescue was a CAP mission.
Quote from: jimmydeanno on March 17, 2010, 12:39:15 AM
Quote from: JC004 on March 17, 2010, 12:12:00 AM
Brown hair.
39-1 Clearly shows black hair in the grooming standards...way to give him bad info. :P
As for the OP, are you looking at joining as a cadet or adult member?
I am trying to join as a cadet...
Quote from: Marshalus on March 17, 2010, 12:22:15 PM
Come on guys, lets not scare off the newbie, yet.
juicedude, if you look at http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/M39_1_atchs.pdf it will give you the grooming guidelines as well as the height/weight regulations to be able to wear a Air Force uniforms. However, don't sweat it if you don't fit the grooming or the weight stuff, there are uniforms styles that can be worn by those members who fall outside those regulations.
As for para-rescue, we have not done that since WWII :)
I don't think you could scare me off, due to the fact that I want to go HALO (high altitude low opening) from 30,000 ft at night....
Quote from: Marshalus on March 17, 2010, 12:22:15 PM
Come on guys, lets not scare off the newbie, yet.
juicedude, if you look at http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/M39_1_atchs.pdf it will give you the grooming guidelines as well as the height/weight regulations to be able to wear a Air Force uniforms. However, don't sweat it if you don't fit the grooming or the weight stuff, there are uniforms styles that can be worn by those members who fall outside those regulations.
As for para-rescue, we have not done that since WWII :)
and also, do you have to be above a certain weight? Because I'm under the max for my height, by alot...because i'm around 5 2, and thats 141..I'm not even above 120...
The weight guidelines are for the top of the scale. If you are below the listed weight, don't worry about it.
No minimum weight requirements. However as a cadet you'll need to follow grooming requirements. I think for you the best way to get information would be to go visit either a cadet or a composite squadron and talk with the leaders and other cadets there. They can better guide you on what you'll need to do, plus you can see what you'll be getting into. There is no obligation to join and you can visit as many squadrons as you like to see which one fits you best.
There is a unit locator on the CAP website, I would suggest starting there. http://cap.findlocation.com/
Best of luck.
The reason I'm joining CAP is because one of my friends got me into it, since I like the Army and stuff like that...
Quote from: juicedude10 on March 18, 2010, 12:03:29 AM
The reason I'm joining CAP is because one of my friends got me into it, since I like the Army and stuff like that...
Sorry. You might have to be screened for mental diseases.
Quote from: Fuzzy on March 18, 2010, 06:22:40 PM
Sorry. You might have to be screened for mental diseases.
That was highly uncalled for, especially for a Cadet... who hasn't served in any branch, let alone the Army.
What's there to like about the Army? >:D
Alot. There Special Forces branch is amazing. They have a ton of schools. There amazing. They can do alot, of sea, air, and land stuff. They do sooo much. Also, the 101st were the paratroopers on Normandy. :clap:
Quote from: juicedude10 on March 18, 2010, 07:57:40 PM
Alot. There Special Forces branch is amazing. They have a ton of schools. There amazing. They can do alot, of sea, air, and land stuff. They do sooo much. Also, the 101st were the paratroopers on Normandy. :clap:
Other than the Choking Chickens and Normandy you just described the Navy ;)
Quote from: Walkman on March 17, 2010, 08:23:05 PM
The weight guidelines are for the top of the scale. If you are below the listed weight, don't worry about it.
I think there should be minimum weight requirements.
Quote from: Spike on March 18, 2010, 08:15:41 PM
Quote from: Walkman on March 17, 2010, 08:23:05 PM
The weight guidelines are for the top of the scale. If you are below the listed weight, don't worry about it.
I think there should be minimum weight requirements.
Why? I've had cadets that wouldn't bust 100 lbs
Quote from: juicedude10 on March 18, 2010, 07:57:40 PM
Alot. There Special Forces branch is amazing. They have a ton of schools. There amazing. They can do alot, of sea, air, and land stuff. They do sooo much. Also, the 101st were the paratroopers on Normandy. :clap:
HAA...Relax ma'man... I was kidding. My grand father, father, several cousins and uncles were all Paratroopers in the 101st and 82nd.
Robert Steht Sgt./USMC 0331 (former)
Sgt./US Army 11B30 (former)
Quote from: davidsinn on March 18, 2010, 08:05:36 PM
Quote from: juicedude10 on March 18, 2010, 07:57:40 PM
Alot. There Special Forces branch is amazing. They have a ton of schools. There amazing. They can do alot, of sea, air, and land stuff. They do sooo much. Also, the 101st were the paratroopers on Normandy. :clap:
Other than the Choking Chickens and Normandy you just described the Navy ;)
haha my dad was in the 101st. I've had family all over the Armed Forces...except the Coast Guard, but i really don't count them.
Quote from: Spike on March 18, 2010, 08:15:41 PM
Quote from: Walkman on March 17, 2010, 08:23:05 PM
The weight guidelines are for the top of the scale. If you are below the listed weight, don't worry about it.
I think there should be minimum weight requirements.
not really.... not many could join then...
Quote from: juicedude10 on March 18, 2010, 09:21:45 PM
... except the Coast Guard, but i really don't count them.
This makes Moderanger :'( :'( :'(
Hey if they consider the Air National Guard to be a legitimate military service, then the coasties should definately be in. ;)
Had to say it....
Quote from: Fuzzy on March 18, 2010, 09:54:08 PM
Hey if they consider the Air National Guard to be a legitimate military service, then the coasties should definately be in. ;)
Had to say it....
This makes Moderanger
what? I don't know what that is...haha...I put both together so i didn't have to say the same thing twice...I was like WHAT?!
Quote from: Flying Pig on March 18, 2010, 08:24:05 PM
Quote from: juicedude10 on March 18, 2010, 07:57:40 PM
Alot. There Special Forces branch is amazing. They have a ton of schools. There amazing. They can do alot, of sea, air, and land stuff. They do sooo much. Also, the 101st were the paratroopers on Normandy. :clap:
HAA...Relax ma'man... I was kidding. My grand father, father, several cousins and uncles were all Paratroopers in the 101st and 82nd.
Robert Steht Sgt./USMC 0331 (former)
Sgt./US Army 11B30 (former)
and uh why'd you call me ma'am? I'm a guy!
Quote from: juicedude10 on March 19, 2010, 05:38:49 PM
Quote from: Flying Pig on March 18, 2010, 08:24:05 PM
Quote from: juicedude10 on March 18, 2010, 07:57:40 PM
Alot. There Special Forces branch is amazing. They have a ton of schools. There amazing. They can do alot, of sea, air, and land stuff. They do sooo much. Also, the 101st were the paratroopers on Normandy. :clap:
HAA...Relax ma'man... I was kidding. My grand father, father, several cousins and uncles were all Paratroopers in the 101st and 82nd.
Robert Steht Sgt./USMC 0331 (former)
Sgt./US Army 11B30 (former)
and uh why'd you call me ma'am? I'm a guy!
There's an extra 'm' in there. Say it a few times...
Well, in your 13 posts, you've made no mention of your gender, and your height of 5'2" might (unfairly, I might add) lead someone to believe that you could be a female.
Also, after a second look, he didn't say "ma'am, he said "ma' man" [space added to clarify].
"Lighten up, Francis."
Surely you jest....
Name's Dave, not Shirley. >:D :P
;D
Quote from: SarDragon on March 19, 2010, 08:39:34 PM
Well, in your 13 posts, you've made no mention of your gender, and your height of 5'2" might (unfairly, I might add) lead someone to believe that you could be a female.
Also, after a second look, he didn't say "ma'am, he said "ma' man" [space added to clarify].
"Lighten up, Francis."
uhh, okay, and yeah i see that its now ma'man, but i didn't see that before, and yes i said i was a guy up there when i said the thing about "ma'man".... I'm just 13, so i think i'm around 5' 2" not exactly sure.
Quote from: juicedude10 on March 19, 2010, 09:26:08 PM
Quote from: SarDragon on March 19, 2010, 08:39:34 PM
Well, in your 13 posts, you've made no mention of your gender, and your height of 5'2" might (unfairly, I might add) lead someone to believe that you could be a female.
Also, after a second look, he didn't say "ma'am, he said "ma' man" [space added to clarify].
"Lighten up, Francis."
uhh, okay, and yeah i see that its now ma'man, but i didn't see that before, and yes i said i was a guy up there when i said the thing about "ma'man".... I'm just 13, so i think i'm around 5' 2" not exactly sure.
Ok, I've seen most of your 19 posts now, and my suggestion is this:
Go to your local unit, and ask them about CAP and what you would get to do.
We're not the Army. We're not like the Army. We don't have medics. We don't jump out of airplanes. We don't go to war/die in combat.
You're 13, and I understand the age you're at, because I remember what I was like at that age. Still, try to do some research, gocivilairpatrol.com <<< start there.
Quote from: juicedude10 on March 19, 2010, 05:38:49 PM
Quote from: Flying Pig on March 18, 2010, 08:24:05 PM
Quote from: juicedude10 on March 18, 2010, 07:57:40 PM
Alot. There Special Forces branch is amazing. They have a ton of schools. There amazing. They can do alot, of sea, air, and land stuff. They do sooo much. Also, the 101st were the paratroopers on Normandy. :clap:
HAA...Relax ma'man... I was kidding. My grand father, father, several cousins and uncles were all Paratroopers in the 101st and 82nd.
Robert Steht Sgt./USMC 0331 (former)
Sgt./US Army 11B30 (former)
and uh why'd you call me ma'am? I'm a guy!
How could he tell? You don't put your name on your posts.
Are there many females that call themselves "dude"?
At the risk of running this completely off the rails, his post #10 was the first one where he specifically ID'd himself as a guy. My earlier figure of 13 was incorrect.
Quote from: Marshalus on March 17, 2010, 11:43:25 PM
No minimum weight requirements. However as a cadet you'll need to follow grooming requirements. I think for you the best way to get information would be to go visit either a cadet or a composite squadron and talk with the leaders and other cadets there. They can better guide you on what you'll need to do, plus you can see what you'll be getting into. There is no obligation to join and you can visit as many squadrons as you like to see which one fits you best.
There is a unit locator on the CAP website, I would suggest starting there. http://cap.findlocation.com/
Best of luck.
I'm just going to quote what I said earlier and hope this recruit goes and does it, and gets off CAPTalk before we hurt him.
hurt me? As in what?
Quote from: juicedude10 on March 20, 2010, 02:45:31 PM
hurt me? As in what?
As in most people won't put up with too many questions like the ones you've been asking after a while, and people get snappy.
Correct
Quote from: Marshalus on March 20, 2010, 09:01:38 PM
Correct
Well sorry, for having questions that I would like answers for?
^ Have you talked with or spoken to any CAP members in your area??
Yes I have, but I never have to time to get most of the questions answered.
Quote from: juicedude10 on March 21, 2010, 06:43:54 PM
Yes I have, but I never have to time to get most of the questions answered.
Then how are you going to have time to participate? A new cadet can count on spending at least 6 hours a week doing things directly related to CAP.
Quote from: SarDragon on March 21, 2010, 07:19:48 PM
Quote from: juicedude10 on March 21, 2010, 06:43:54 PM
Yes I have, but I never have to time to get most of the questions answered.
Then how are you going to have time to participate? A new cadet can count on spending at least 6 hours a week doing things directly related to CAP.
I would venture to guess that during the normal meeting he's getting herded around to this class and that and only has a direct opportunity to ask questions about the program for a few minutes each week. It's what most squadrons do. "Hey, a new guy. Hey cadet, go show the new guy how to drill because we don't have anything in place for new people..."
Seriously, how much time does the average cadet have during the meetings to interact with each other?
In classes, they are typically listening or conversation is directly related to the topic at hand.
During drill, they can't talk and certainly can't ask about NCSA opportunities.
After closing formation, they're ushered out the door.
If they show up early, most are told that they need to talk to their flight sergeant by the only senior that shows up.
But, I'm sure you get the picture...
He's excited about CAP, it's not a bad thing.
Quote from: jimmydeanno on March 21, 2010, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: SarDragon on March 21, 2010, 07:19:48 PM
Quote from: juicedude10 on March 21, 2010, 06:43:54 PM
Yes I have, but I never have to time to get most of the questions answered.
Then how are you going to have time to participate? A new cadet can count on spending at least 6 hours a week doing things directly related to CAP.
I would venture to guess that during the normal meeting he's getting herded around to this class and that and only has a direct opportunity to ask questions about the program for a few minutes each week. It's what most squadrons do. "Hey, a new guy. Hey cadet, go show the new guy how to drill because we don't have anything in place for new people..."
Seriously, how much time does the average cadet have during the meetings to interact with each other?
In classes, they are typically listening or conversation is directly related to the topic at hand.
During drill, they can't talk and certainly can't ask about NCSA opportunities.
After closing formation, they're ushered out the door.
If they show up early, most are told that they need to talk to their flight sergeant by the only senior that shows up.
But, I'm sure you get the picture...
He's excited about CAP, it's not a bad thing.
Thank you, finally someone understands where I'm coming from.
Quote from: jimmydeanno on March 21, 2010, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: SarDragon on March 21, 2010, 07:19:48 PM
Quote from: juicedude10 on March 21, 2010, 06:43:54 PM
Yes I have, but I never have to time to get most of the questions answered.
Then how are you going to have time to participate? A new cadet can count on spending at least 6 hours a week doing things directly related to CAP.
If they show up early, most are told that they need to talk to their flight sergeant by the only senior that shows up.
I sure hope that's not typical. It isn't in the units I have seen.
Quote from: Rotorhead on March 22, 2010, 01:02:24 AM
I sure hope that's not typical. It isn't in the units I have seen.
The average CAP squadron has ~20 members. Which implies that there are some with more, and some with less. As I'm sure you've seen, there are some power house squadrons. So, if some units have 100 members, where does that leave the others?
If we apply our total membership split that implies approximately 12 seniors and 8 cadets per squadron. If you have a 75% attendance rate on any given night you end up with 6 cadets and 8 seniors or 14 people on any given night. In reality, I would venture to guess that they have ~50% attendance.
I'm sure that many of us on this site are from bigger units. My last unit comprised nearly 30% of the entire wing at one point. The top three units in the wing made up 70% of the wing membership. The headquarters had another 10% or so of the wing assigned to it leaving about 20% remaining for the rest of the 7 units. Not very pretty when you actually look at it.
So, we take our squadron with 14 people and break off the seniors that aren't cadet programs people or can't speak with much authority on the cadet program and we're probably down to 1-2 that have some "clue."
You can see where I'm going with this.
There is no excuse for not having good communications from the bottom up. If you are too busy to answer a new cadet's questions, you are probably too busy to be teaching them anything anyway.
Not answering questions posed by a potential member is not cool. I wonder if that squadron is scratching their heads over the lack of new members. I remember walking in the door for the first time with my son as a prospective cadet. We were met by a cadet with a squared-away uniform, who greeted us warmly. Upon hearing that my son was interested in joining, she exclaimed, "Outstanding. Come with me and I'll show you around." He was introduced to everyone, and put in the front seat of a 172. The rest, as they say, is history.
I'll never forget that first impression, my introduction to Civil Air Patrol. Now, as a cadet officer, it's something that my son makes sure happens to every newbie. Being too busy to welcome a new member? Never.
Quote from: juicedude10 on March 21, 2010, 06:43:54 PM
Yes I have, but I never have to time to get most of the questions answered.
Juice:
PM me and I'll be happy to answer your questions or try to find someone who can.
@tdepp,
thanks for your help, and i'll keep that in mind for the next time i have questions.