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For some who may be interested.....
Sorry for those of you who thought you were about to get a check in the mail!!! >:D
http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/employment/
Same job under a similar title.
Pays better than I thought it would.
Quote from: Marshalus on March 10, 2010, 04:49:31 AM
Pays better than I thought it would.
Well it doesn't say how many hours per week, nor does it mention benefits.
It would be interesting to find out how many of the staff are making $100K/100K+ per year, and also those making $50K/+50K per year. (I doubt that you will find this organization "secret" anywhere 8) )
"Outsiders" sometimes think that non profit employees are underpaid, but frankly that isn't the case at all, especially for those that develop a "career" in non profit management & administration.
It it interesting that they mention about "deadlines". I've had mixed results when dealing with the National Hqs paid Staff inquring on processing type items or just getting an acknowledgement of something that was sent to them. Others have experienced circumstances regarding having to do numerous followups when things didn't seem to be getting done.
When you look at the various regulations that haven't been updated in a timely manner, you have to wonder what the Executive Director's fix is going to be to this issue. :-\
I know in comparison that when I request information or address issues with a trade association that my employer belong to; we get a reply in 2 working days.
RM
It is listed as Part time, so I would imagine 20-25 hours per week.
Twenty hours times sixteen-something isn't going to make anyone rich. That only comes out to $16K/yr.
Quote from: SarDragon on March 10, 2010, 05:31:56 PM
Twenty hours times sixteen-something isn't going to make anyone rich. That only comes out to $16K/yr.
That's a clerks job. 16/hr is more than I make. I'm a professional drafter. :'(
The issue with many of these jobs is that they require an attention to detail and management skills that exceed the ability to pay or the hours.
Wing admin is a good example of this, it really needs a hard-charging self-starter, office manager type, but pays an entry level admin's pay.
I'd be willing to be this could be done remotely as easily as in-face and would be a good way for someone to supplement their income.
Quote from: RADIOMAN015 on March 10, 2010, 02:40:56 PM
Quote from: Marshalus on March 10, 2010, 04:49:31 AM
Pays better than I thought it would.
"Outsiders" sometimes think that non profit employees are underpaid, but frankly that isn't the case at all, especially for those that develop a "career" in non profit management & administration.
I work for a non-profit (University) and we're underpaid ;)
QuoteI doubt that you will find this organization "secret" anywhere
You can find part of it at GuideStar (http://www2.guidestar.org/). A search for "Civil Air Patrol" turned up 40 hits. You may have to get a free registration.
My sweetie worked for a non-profit right after she retired from the Navy, and the pay was significantly lower than at the job she moved on to at a private company, doing essentially the same work. I know a couple of other folks who have had similar experiences.
Quote from: RADIOMAN015 on March 10, 2010, 02:40:56 PM
Quote from: Marshalus on March 10, 2010, 04:49:31 AM
Pays better than I thought it would.
Well it doesn't say how many hours per week, nor does it mention benefits.
It would be interesting to find out how many of the staff are making $100K/100K+ per year, and also those making $50K/+50K per year.
The forms filed with the IRS have some salary information in them. I don't recall seeing any that seemed out of line.
Is Maj Gen Courter paid? Seems like an awfully hard job to have, and be expected to have a "real" one to pay bills.
No. We're talking about the paid CAP corporate national headquarters employees.
I'm aware of that. I was just curious if she's on the payroll or receives any type of stipend for what seems like a job that would keep you from having a real one.
She has a fairly sizeable travel budget, but otherwise pays dues just like the rest of us.
Back in the late 90s, CAP Executive Director Paul Albano was reportedly making $150k/yr -- a princely sum in Alabama. A lot of those guys (like Don Rowland and John Salvador) are retired Air Force, so they're drawing their AF pension in addition to their CAP salary.
Quote from: Marshalus on March 12, 2010, 01:26:06 AM
Is Maj Gen Courter paid? Seems like an awfully hard job to have, and be expected to have a "real" one to pay bills.
Any of the corporate officer positions (Wing CC or higher) are nearly impossible unless you are retired or have a very flexible job.
The amount of travel required just within a state to be considered "effective" and "visible" is ridiculous.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_charity_expenses
Non-profit pay, somewhat related.
It's interesting that Wing CC and up is brought up, because I think it IS meant for people who are retired/have their own successful business. The skills of a long (40-60 years) life and that of a successful business owner who can afford to spend so much on CAP benefits CAP. It also gives people at least 20 or so years of CAP time in a perfect world.
Quote from: Eclipse on March 12, 2010, 04:02:26 PM
Quote from: Marshalus on March 12, 2010, 01:26:06 AM
Is Maj Gen Courter paid? Seems like an awfully hard job to have, and be expected to have a "real" one to pay bills.
Any of the corporate officer positions (Wing CC or higher) are nearly impossible unless you are retired or have a very flexible job.
The amount of travel required just within a state to be considered "effective" and "visible" is ridiculous.
Absolutely concurs....being on Wing or Region staff as a Department head requires a lot of time and travel -- especially if you want to be "effective" and "visible" -- try a state like California or PCR. All I can say is I am sure glad God created created e-mail and Skype on the 8th day :) I have to budget my time carefully since I work full-time in the employment of the county and that also applies to my pocketbook as well... CAP = Cash And Plastic
Oh, I don't know about that. Our last 3 wing commanders have been working (all 3 in fairly high-stress, time-intensive jobs) and done great (even though I had some problems with one of them). But, then again our wing is on the medium to small size.
Frankly, I've never been impressed with our Region Commanders and staff and don't think the actual work involved with the positions amounts to much. However, they are expected to do a lot of travel, and thats going to be harder to do and hold a job.
I really don't see how the National Commander or Vice Commander could fill those positions and hold down a full-time job.
Quote from: Mustang on March 12, 2010, 04:00:10 PM
Back in the late 90s, CAP Executive Director Paul Albano was reportedly making $150k/yr -- a princely sum in Alabama. A lot of those guys (like Don Rowland and John Salvador) are retired Air Force, so they're drawing their AF pension in addition to their CAP salary.
Compensation should be based upon what one does for the organization and at what level of responsbility (which I might add basically determines the other compensation levels throughout the organization) not based upon any pension, whether it is government (military, federal, state) or non goverment earned in ones prior career. That is a cheap shot at anyone who is retired military >:(
RM
Evidently there are some Congressmen who are getting ready to dig into the Boys and Girls Club. Apparently one of their honchos was pulling down 1 mil +.
Rightfully so, I'd say anyone working for a non-profit making a 7-figure salary isn't doing their job right.
Radio -- agreed, if someone is getting a pension or drawing money from another source (legally) it should be of no concern or have any effect on their present employment.
Quote from: RADIOMAN015 on March 13, 2010, 08:20:44 PM
Quote from: Mustang on March 12, 2010, 04:00:10 PM
Back in the late 90s, CAP Executive Director Paul Albano was reportedly making $150k/yr -- a princely sum in Alabama. A lot of those guys (like Don Rowland and John Salvador) are retired Air Force, so they're drawing their AF pension in addition to their CAP salary.
Compensation should be based upon what one does for the organization and at what level of responsbility (which I might add basically determines the other compensation levels throughout the organization) not based upon any pension, whether it is government (military, federal, state) or non goverment earned in ones prior career. That is a cheap shot at anyone who is retired military >:(
RM
It was a parenthetical comment, not intended to be a cheap shot at anyone.