Are you tougher than a Spaatz Cadet?

[Stonewall]

Home sick for a couple of days, I actually watched TV.  I probably watch between 3 and 5 hours of TV a week, mostly news, so this was a treat.  I came across Are you Tougher than a Boy Scout?  Well yeah, of course I am 

Naturally, I thought about CAP, and what show we could put on in a similar light.  And I thought, "Tougher than a Spaatz Cadet?"  Um, wouldn't it really have to be "Smarter than a Spaatz Cadet".  I'll joke about Spaatzen, but it's all in good fun; mostly out of respect.  But Spaatzen are not really "tough" per se.  At least not in the way these Eagle Scouts are portrayed on NATGEO.  Academically, yes, Spaatz recipients are likely more intelligent than your average teenager, I would assume.  But the only "tough" thing they have to do is the PT test, correct?   

They don't have to do anything ES related, nor do they even have to fly.  Attending an encampment is probably the most demanding physical challenge they have to accomplish in order to earn their Mitchell Award, which, of course, is a prerequisite for earning the other 3 milestone awards, including the Spaatz.

So, if there was a "are you tougher than" challenge for CAP cadets vs. adults/former cadets, what would it be?  Would it simply be an academic aerospace challenge with a PT test?  Who can build and launch a rocket successfully the fastest? 

Or would it be more ground team related?  "Are you tougher than a ground team member?"

All in fun, people...all in fun.

[The Happy Sergeant]

are you tougher than a hawk mountain cadet...

[That Anonymous Guy]

are you tougher than a hawk mountain cadet...

Are you tougher then a PJOC cadet?

[coudano]

Probably more apt:   are you more focused/determined to your goals than a spaatz cadet.

[ol'fido]

How about we take 5 Spaatzen and 5 steely eyed old GTLs(or ex-GTLs) and put them in a room one at a time with a computer and let them read the "Drummond Island Chronicles". The losers will be the group that has more people come out and say "That's crazy. You can't do that in CAP". The winners will be the group that has more people say "Sign me up!".

[NIN]

How about we take 5 Spaatzen and 5 steely eyed old GTLs(or ex-GTLs) and put them in a room one at a time with a computer and let them read the "Drummond Island Chronicles". The losers will be the group that has more people come out and say "That's crazy. You can't do that in CAP". The winners will be the group that has more people say "Sign me up!".

I win.

Oh, wait, I can't participate. I was actually there.

[ol'fido]

NIN, You'll be the emcee at the tally who will say, "The tribe has spoken. You have been voted off the island." Then you will extinguish their torch.

[NIN]

First event, "Aerospace Quiz Bowl"

Followed by a 1 mile run of indeterminate length ("Just like Best Ranger!" crowed a cadet near Hawk Mountain)

Next up: "Assemble and functional test of a non-firing replica color guard rifle"

Fourth event: "Terrain association with map & compass. On a 1 acre square parcel of land."

Contestants will then "Adjutant Walk" to the next evolution, the "Employ Elper without poking eye out" event

[Peeka]

Followed by a 1 mile run of indeterminate length

lol  :clap:

[Private Investigator]

Are you tougher than a debutante? Judges will be the Kardashians   

[ol'fido]

Are you tougher than a debutante? Judges will be the Kardashians   

Justin Beiber will enter but lose in the second round.

[ColonelJack]

Are you tougher than a debutante? Judges will be the Kardashians   

Justin Beiber will enter but lose in the second round.

And the winner is ... Honey Boo Boo!

Jack

[Garibaldi]

Are you tougher than a debutante? Judges will be the Kardashians   

Justin Beiber will enter but lose in the second round.

And the winner is ... Honey Boo Boo!

Jack

Careful, Jack...them's fightin' werds here in GAWG. Honey Boo Boo is exactly the image we don't want spread round these here parts. Leave that crap for them Okies in Arkansas (where I escaped from after 13 years). They can stand it. Wooo Pig Sooie!

[bflynn]

Is a 40 year old man tougher than a young 20 year old man at the peak of his physical performance, regardless of what you call him?

Nope.  Silly concept.

[Al Sayre]

Unless you call him Mr. (Chuck) Norris...

[Eclipse]

Is a 40 year old man tougher than a young 20 year old man at the peak of his physical performance, regardless of what you call him?

Nope.  Silly concept.

Absolutely - it depends wholly on the two individuals.

[Pylon]

Is a 40 year old man tougher than a young 20 year old man at the peak of his physical performance, regardless of what you call him?

Nope.  Silly concept.

Not at all silly.  I know a particular Army WO who is 50 and in top physical shape; in fact, much better physical shape than many of the brand new 19- to 20-year-old Marines I know.  And without doubt probably in far better shape than your average American 20-year-old.

[Private Investigator]

I think most people overlook conditioning.

For an example 98% of men can not throw punches for three minutes. If you think about it most people have not had a physical fight since middle school or high school. YMMV   

[Stonewall]

Is a 40 year old man tougher than a young 20 year old man at the peak of his physical performance, regardless of what you call him?

Nope.  Silly concept.

Not at all silly.  I know a particular Army WO Air Force MSgt who is 50 40 and in top physical shape; in fact, much better physical shape than many of the brand new 19- to 20-year-old Marines I know.  And without doubt probably in far better shape than your average American 20-year-old.

FTFY 

Seriously, conditioning needs to be considered.  20 years ago, as a 20 year old grunt, I was in good shape, but I was not conditioned.  I was always impressed with the late 30, early 40 Senior NCO who could do what I could, but seem less fatigued.  Today, I'm that Senior NCO.

In my unit, we've got thin Airmen (and a lot of big'uns), but the thin ones aren't in shape.  I see guys ALL THE TIME that have 32" waists, but can't do push-ups, sit-ups, or run.  And God forgid strap a ruck to their back.

[bflynn]

Yes, but that wasn't the context of the "Are You Tougher than a Boy Scout" show.  They weren't bringing on SEALs and Rangers, they were bringing ordinary people, not extraordinary ones.  If you make a fair comparison of extraordinary 40 year olds to extraordinary 20 year olds, the 20 year olds are in better physical shape.  It's a rule of human physiology.

But if you want to compare the top 40 year old to the average 20 year old, I'll allow that the older guy probably wins.

[Devil Doc]

Am I tougher than a Spaatz Cadet?

Define Tough?

Do I know more than a Spaatz Cadet?

Depends?

Am I going to Challenge this?

Prolly Not?

Why? Because I know my Boundries, plus, let the younginns do all the work, im more like a Supervisor/Facillitator anyway

[LGM30GMCC]

Take a current Spaatz Cadet and a former Spaatz Cadet and test 'em?

[spaatzmom]

Take a current Spaatz Cadet and a former Spaatz Cadet and test 'em?

There is only one former Spaatzen and he had his award revoked due to his criminal activity, murder.  Otherwise there are no former Spaatzen, it's for life.

[Private Investigator]

Is a 40 year old man tougher than a young 20 year old man at the peak of his physical performance, regardless of what you call him?

Nope.  Silly concept.

Not at all silly.  I know a particular Army WO Air Force MSgt who is 50 40 and in top physical shape; in fact, much better physical shape than many of the brand new 19- to 20-year-old Marines I know.  And without doubt probably in far better shape than your average American 20-year-old.

FTFY 

Seriously, conditioning needs to be considered.  20 years ago, as a 20 year old grunt, I was in good shape, but I was not conditioned.  I was always impressed with the late 30, early 40 Senior NCO who could do what I could, but seem less fatigued.  Today, I'm that Senior NCO.

In my unit, we've got thin Airmen (and a lot of big'uns), but the thin ones aren't in shape.  I see guys ALL THE TIME that have 32" waists, but can't do push-ups, sit-ups, or run.  And God forgid strap a ruck to their back.

Roger that Master Sergeant.  :clap:

[Stonewall]

Take a current Spaatz Cadet and a former Spaatz Cadet and test 'em?

Makes sense, doesn't it.  But to follow the Boy Scouts' lead in this theme, the current Eagle Scouts are competing against former Boy Scouts who didn't achieve Eagle Scout status.  In fact, some of the adults didn't make it but a year or two in the Scouting program.

So to follow along the same lines as Are you tougher than a Boys Scout, we'd have to keep that candidates as those who did not achieve Spaatz status.