New Uniforms, use Boy Scouts style

[SARPilotNY]

I thought we could still wear the orange flightsuits, saw some folks from NJ Wing wearing them a short time ago.

[Eagle400]

CAP does not use AFI 36-2903, therefore there is no contradiction.

Okay.  What I meant was, "it is uber-bassackwards for the Auxiliary of the USAF to be wearing an item on their BDUs that is forbidden for wear on USAF BDUs."  It's like the kid who says "yeah, I know the football team has a dress code... but I'm going to wear the other team's jersey anyway becaue I think it looks better than ours."

NOTE: I am not saying the Air Force and the Army are against each other.  I was just using the football team analogy to prove a point.  That was the best one I could think of at the time.         

Second, do you really think the Army is going to run out of flags for their uniforms? I have two on Velcro. For my Army uniform, that's one more than I actually need.

Well hey, it was just an idea.  A little brainstroming never hurt anyone, right?  Especially when others are thought of. 

[Major Carrales]

What are you saying, then?

[Hawk200]

Another advantage with new uniforms, maybe we could cut the uniform regs. to just a few pages.

No, you can't. You have to include phase out periods for the old stuff. You cannot announce a new uniform and then state that the old ones are immediately gone. I'm not sure, but it's probably against the law in some way.

Second, because you have the old stuff, it has to be covered in the regs. Along with the new stuff. Therefore, in the exact opposite result of what you intended, your manual gets larger.

I thought we could still wear the orange flightsuits, saw some folks from NJ Wing wearing them a short time ago.

Then they're wrong. If anyone is injured on a CAP mission then technically they were participating without wearing a uniform (a phased out uniform is not a uniform), and they may have insurance coverage refused. Most people think it won't happen to them, but when it does they don't have a leg to stand on.

[Hawk200]

What I meant was, "it is uber-bassackwards for the Auxiliary of the USAF to be wearing an item on their BDUs that is forbidden for wear on USAF BDUs."

Forbidden is a strong word, but accurate. The one explanation that was sent down was to indicate a "One CAP" mentality. Personnally, I think this would have been better served by replacing wing patches with a flag. Instead, some members have to decide which of a few patches they're authorized they want to display.

It's like the kid who says "yeah, I know the football team has a dress code... but I'm going to wear the other team's jersey anyway becaue I think it looks better than ours."

Not really. More like the JV football team is wearing the colors of another local school instead of stuff similar to their own Varsity team.

Second, do you really think the Army is going to run out of flags for their uniforms? I have two on Velcro. For my Army uniform, that's one more than I actually need.

Well hey, it was just an idea.  A little brainstroming never hurt anyone, right?  Especially when others are thought of. 

The military is not as bad off in some ways as some people might think. I've known times when funding wasn't available, but it has never been so bad that people couldn't have a complete uniform.

[Pumbaa]

You know I really like the idea of the orange Flight Suit!!  Figure we could have CAP on it and also our CAP ID#.

It would look something like this!

[SARPilotNY]

See...what a great idea!  I bet the cadet from Colorado that was running with his lights and siren on (and was caught) has one that we could use as a demo!  But really, what is so wrong about our aircrews and ground teams being "highly" visable?  Hell, NASA test pilots wear these...and for good reason.

[Hawk200]

See...what a great idea!  I bet the cadet from Colorado that was running with his lights and siren on (and was caught) has one that we could use as a demo!  But really, what is so wrong about our aircrews and ground teams being "highly" visable?  Hell, NASA test pilots wear these...and for good reason.

Why does your aircrew need to be "highly visible"? Nobody can see them in the airplane.

We don't have test pilots. There's no good reason for our people to wear them.

[Pumbaa]

Just think how well we can stand out from the rest of the emergency crews as we find in this most excellent example of a CAP officer making himself of use to the fine men in blue.

[Pumbaa]

Then again, I do find that when the CAP vans are replaced, we are going to use more energy efficent modes of transportation.

From what I understand we will also be allowed to wear additional patches on the jumpsuit too!

Of course manadatory hard hats are issued from HQ.



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[SARPilotNY]

See now you have the idea...a perfect uniform where we can wear our award on our uniforms in the field...I like that!   The first picture was obviously an aircrew member or udf team member that was told he would not get a find ribbon for locating an ELT at ELT's r us...he had a temper tantrum and was escorted off the search base.  Did you notice he did not have ANY ribbons on his jumpsuit?

[LtCol White]

I would like to make it clear that I do not like, reject, and repudiate the idea of CAP wearing Scout uniforms (and I was an Eagle Scout and, later on, a Scoutmaster....Lord, I hated those knee socks with garters at summer camp!)

Having stated this, I must congratulate SARPilotNY on offering one of the most original ideas we've seen on here in quite awhile!

I would classify it as ridiculous rather than original

[LtCol White]

I thought we could still wear the orange flightsuits, saw some folks from NJ Wing wearing them a short time ago.

Have you even read 39-1? You're proposing uniform changes and admitting that you don't even know what the current uniforms ARE.

[LtCol White]

I suggest the removal of all American flag patches from CAP BDUs and giving them to soldiers who need them.  That would be a great idea.  CAP would no longer be contradicting AFI 36-2903, and it would be supporting the troops. 

Exactly WHAT planet are you from??

[SARPilotNY]

The great planet earth!  I am tired of seeing a dozen different uniforms...that defeats the term uniform.  As far as the 39-1, we could make it just a few pages with one utility uniform, dress uniform and flight/field uniform.  Since we are not the military, just a private corporation, we really don't need or need to be confused with the military or SWAT.  Ever been on a UDF team and have people think you are the police or tried to find a ground team in the field in BDUs?  The AF really doesn't want us to look like them, that is what they force us to look different, in fact we already do.  Most of our members are overweight, hair is too long etc. and frankly we act un professional and do not respect the core values of our military.  If we responded to war the same way we respond to missions, today (July 4th) would just be another work day for us under the Queen.

[LtCol White]

The great planet earth!  I am tired of seeing a dozen different uniforms...that defeats the term uniform.  As far as the 39-1, we could make it just a few pages with one utility uniform, dress uniform and flight/field uniform.  Since we are not the military, just a private corporation, we really don't need or need to be confused with the military or SWAT.  Ever been on a UDF team and have people think you are the police or tried to find a ground team in the field in BDUs?  The AF really doesn't want us to look like them, that is what they force us to look different, in fact we already do.  Most of our members are overweight, hair is too long etc. and frankly we act un professional and do not respect the core values of our military.  If we responded to war the same way we respond to missions, today (July 4th) would just be another work day for us under the Queen.

So now you are an expert on what USAF wants as well? I think you just need to belong to one of the other agencies whose uniforms you seem to prefer over the CAP ones. Your absurd suggestions will NEVER go anywhere beyond your own little world. But thats ok because apparently they like you there.

done

[SARPilotNY]

I am confused...why did the Air Force years ago make us wear maroon shoulder boards and today different shoulder board?  When I first joined, our uniform was identical except for the wing patch.  It was changed over the years because CAP (we) embarrassed the USAF by the way we looked and our actions on the base and in the public.  Respect was a two way street, we made it a one way street.  Why do we have this need to be like the Air Force?  Can't we stand on our own without them?

[SARPilotNY]

BTW
why do we want to be so invisible, vs. visable?   Orange in the field and in the air sure makes us more visable and safer.  Remember safety?
I was on a ground team once a had a bullet wiz over our head because nobody could see our orange vests!  I have heard seniors and cadet complain of having a hard time finding, buying and sewing their uniforms.  The smurf jumpsuits were plug and play, everything sewn on it at the door.
And they were great flying in during the east coast Summers.
I get sick of seeing pictures of our overweight members discrediting the Air Force uniforms or seeing eight people in eight different "uniforms".

[SARMedTech]

If you want to be really visible in the air, why wear an orange flight suit? Why dont you paint your plane orange?

[Pumbaa]

SOunds like a good idea to me!

I'll propose it to TP and company!