Updated ABU Wear Instructions

Started by Eclipse, July 13, 2016, 04:18:12 AM

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Eclipse


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Where is the source page this is linked from?

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Toad1168

So in reading this, it appears that squadron patches are not authorized on the ABU.  Is that your interpretation as well?
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stillamarine

Quote from: Toad1168 on July 13, 2016, 01:41:25 PM
So in reading this, it appears that squadron patches are not authorized on the ABU.  Is that your interpretation as well?

That is my interpretation. As well as no ES or Ranger patches.
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jeders

And yet they still didn't bother to change the first paragraph so that it doesn't refer to wearing the uniform off base or having it issued.
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THRAWN

"The best is a rigger-style belt with a hook and loop buckle." Opinion. Facts not in evidence.

"The ABU cap is the only authorized headgear with this uniform." and then goes on to discuss "Additional Items that may be Authorized." Kind of negates that "only authorized headgear" statement.
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Toad1168

Quote from: jeders on July 13, 2016, 01:53:19 PM
And yet they still didn't bother to change the first paragraph so that it doesn't refer to wearing the uniform off base or having it issued.

So no 5 star restaurants or bars (rats  :-\), check.  The AAFES statement makes sense, but definitely not the issued part.  Unless they are referring to those issued through the wings.
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THRAWN

Quote from: stillamarine on July 13, 2016, 01:47:08 PM
Quote from: Toad1168 on July 13, 2016, 01:41:25 PM
So in reading this, it appears that squadron patches are not authorized on the ABU.  Is that your interpretation as well?

That is my interpretation. As well as no ES or Ranger patches.

No ES or Ranger TABS. The School patch is still a go.
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Toad1168

Quote from: THRAWN on July 13, 2016, 01:56:44 PM
"The best is a rigger-style belt with a hook and loop buckle." Opinion. Facts not in evidence.

"The ABU cap is the only authorized headgear with this uniform." and then goes on to discuss "Additional Items that may be Authorized." Kind of negates that "only authorized headgear" statement.

But those refer specifically to special activities, on-site only.  If it is worn in public, its ABU cap only.
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Toad1168

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Quote from: THRAWN on July 13, 2016, 01:59:49 PM
Quote from: stillamarine on July 13, 2016, 01:47:08 PM
Quote from: Toad1168 on July 13, 2016, 01:41:25 PM
So in reading this, it appears that squadron patches are not authorized on the ABU.  Is that your interpretation as well?

That is my interpretation. As well as no ES or Ranger patches.

No ES or Ranger TABS. The School patch is still a go.
Thank God they are getting rid of the ES patches.  One word, ugly  ;D
Toad

THRAWN

Quote from: Toad1168 on July 13, 2016, 01:58:27 PM
Quote from: jeders on July 13, 2016, 01:53:19 PM
And yet they still didn't bother to change the first paragraph so that it doesn't refer to wearing the uniform off base or having it issued.

So no 5 star restaurants or bars (rats  :-\), check.  The AAFES statement makes sense, but definitely not the issued part.  Unless they are referring to those issued through the wings.

It's cut and paste form the AFMAN. Somebody did a lousy editing job on this.
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winterg

And it looks like the Model Rocketry patch is gone as well. 

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THRAWN

Quote from: Toad1168 on July 13, 2016, 01:59:52 PM
Quote from: THRAWN on July 13, 2016, 01:56:44 PM
"The best is a rigger-style belt with a hook and loop buckle." Opinion. Facts not in evidence.

"The ABU cap is the only authorized headgear with this uniform." and then goes on to discuss "Additional Items that may be Authorized." Kind of negates that "only authorized headgear" statement.

But those refer specifically to special activities, on-site only.  If it is worn in public, its ABU cap only.

But that's not what it says. It clearly states that the ABU cap is the only authorized headgear. S better choice of words would have been "The ABU cap is the only authorized headgear with this uniform, WITH THE FOLLOWING TEMPORARY EXCEPTIONS:"

And what encampments are out of view of the public?
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THRAWN

Quote from: winterg on July 13, 2016, 02:03:27 PM
And it looks like the Model Rocketry patch is gone as well. 

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And Honor Guard.
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Toad1168

Quote from: winterg on July 13, 2016, 02:03:27 PM
And it looks like the Model Rocketry patch is gone as well. 

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I'm good with limiting the number of patches and especially getting rid of the gaudy ones.  Too many members look like Boy Scouts with everything they put on the uniform.  It ends up looking very unprofessional.
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DakRadz

Quote from: THRAWN on July 13, 2016, 02:05:10 PM
Quote from: Toad1168 on July 13, 2016, 01:59:52 PM
Quote from: THRAWN on July 13, 2016, 01:56:44 PM
"The best is a rigger-style belt with a hook and loop buckle." Opinion. Facts not in evidence.

"The ABU cap is the only authorized headgear with this uniform." and then goes on to discuss "Additional Items that may be Authorized." Kind of negates that "only authorized headgear" statement.

But those refer specifically to special activities, on-site only.  If it is worn in public, its ABU cap only.

But that's not what it says. It clearly states that the ABU cap is the only authorized headgear. S better choice of words would have been "The ABU cap is the only authorized headgear with this uniform, WITH THE FOLLOWING TEMPORARY EXCEPTIONS:"

And what encampments are out of view of the public?
Plus the squadron commander can, with wing, approve ball caps. Yes?

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THRAWN

Quote from: DakRadz on July 13, 2016, 02:21:40 PM
Quote from: THRAWN on July 13, 2016, 02:05:10 PM
Quote from: Toad1168 on July 13, 2016, 01:59:52 PM
Quote from: THRAWN on July 13, 2016, 01:56:44 PM
"The best is a rigger-style belt with a hook and loop buckle." Opinion. Facts not in evidence.

"The ABU cap is the only authorized headgear with this uniform." and then goes on to discuss "Additional Items that may be Authorized." Kind of negates that "only authorized headgear" statement.

But those refer specifically to special activities, on-site only.  If it is worn in public, its ABU cap only.

But that's not what it says. It clearly states that the ABU cap is the only authorized headgear. S better choice of words would have been "The ABU cap is the only authorized headgear with this uniform, WITH THE FOLLOWING TEMPORARY EXCEPTIONS:"

And what encampments are out of view of the public?
Plus the squadron commander can, with wing, approve ball caps. Yes?

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In any conservative color but red.....again, bad editing and apparently no review before it was pushed out.
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Toad1168

Quote from: THRAWN on July 13, 2016, 02:24:48 PM
Quote from: DakRadz on July 13, 2016, 02:21:40 PM
Quote from: THRAWN on July 13, 2016, 02:05:10 PM
Quote from: Toad1168 on July 13, 2016, 01:59:52 PM
Quote from: THRAWN on July 13, 2016, 01:56:44 PM
"The best is a rigger-style belt with a hook and loop buckle." Opinion. Facts not in evidence.

"The ABU cap is the only authorized headgear with this uniform." and then goes on to discuss "Additional Items that may be Authorized." Kind of negates that "only authorized headgear" statement.

But those refer specifically to special activities, on-site only.  If it is worn in public, its ABU cap only.

But that's not what it says. It clearly states that the ABU cap is the only authorized headgear. S better choice of words would have been "The ABU cap is the only authorized headgear with this uniform, WITH THE FOLLOWING TEMPORARY EXCEPTIONS:"

And what encampments are out of view of the public?
Plus the squadron commander can, with wing, approve ball caps. Yes?

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In any conservative color but red.....again, bad editing and apparently no review before it was pushed out.

"Baseball Caps. Unit Commanders may authorize the wear of unit Baseball Caps for wear with
the ABU, when approved by the Wing Commander. These caps will be conservative in color, and will not be worn
outside of unit activities
. Red baseball caps may not be authorized since this color baseball cap is reserved by the
Air Force for specific special duty units."

Toad

winterg

Again. This was a perfect opportunity to inject some uniformity and proper definitions. What is a conservative color? What is acceptable to put on the caps? Embroidered or printed?

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