Flight Suit Badges

[JohnKachenmeister]

Holy topic drift Batman!

And put the 'tudes on SAFE please.

Sorry to interrupt and stray a little bit from the topic, but I heard a couple of months ago about a proposal to allow cadet officers to wear their grade insignia on their shoulders.  I don't really care either way, but I'm curious as to whether the proposal was shot down.

Hadn't heard of it.  I would not be in favor of such a change.  I would keep the grade on the flight cap and have only CADET on the ASNP.

Mike:

Not an attitude, but a point for the new guy:

For a while, the Army had us pin the distinctive unit crest on the shirt epaulet sleeve.  That was a disaster.  The epaulet slide got all frayed real quick, like within a few days.

Please, no pins on the slide.

[Jolt]

 

[LtCol White]

We're off topic here again guys

[JC004]

We're off topic here again guys

There was a topic?

[LtCol White]

I think so...at some point....

[Hawk200]

Back to the original topic, who can actually "ping" the Air Force on the status of embroidered nameplates and embroidered insignia? There's got to be some way.

I'm beginning to think that CAP needs an empowered uniform board. A board that will address the issues that members want, put them forward if the proposals are reasonable, and authorized to make inquiries of the Air Force directly. And all levels, including the National CC would need to go through them.

I doubt that the TPU would have actually gotten off the ground if such a path was taken, and a lot of our changes would be more reflective of the Air Force, instead of a mismash of the uniforms we have now.

[mikeylikey]

Back to the original topic, who can actually "ping" the Air Force on the status of embroidered nameplates and embroidered insignia? There's got to be some way.

I'm beginning to think that CAP needs an empowered uniform board. A board that will address the issues that members want, put them forward if the proposals are reasonable, and authorized to make inquiries of the Air Force directly. And all levels, including the National CC would need to go through them.

I doubt that the TPU would have actually gotten off the ground if such a path was taken, and a lot of our changes would be more reflective of the Air Force, instead of a mismash of the uniforms we have now.

You cite the reason we will never have a uniform board.  The National CC wants sole authroity to do what he wants, and wear what he wants.

[JohnKachenmeister]

Back to the original topic, who can actually "ping" the Air Force on the status of embroidered nameplates and embroidered insignia? There's got to be some way.

I'm beginning to think that CAP needs an empowered uniform board. A board that will address the issues that members want, put them forward if the proposals are reasonable, and authorized to make inquiries of the Air Force directly. And all levels, including the National CC would need to go through them.

I doubt that the TPU would have actually gotten off the ground if such a path was taken, and a lot of our changes would be more reflective of the Air Force, instead of a mismash of the uniforms we have now.

Hawk:

After my experience with the "Real" Air Force and their expectations for the CAP uniform, I am convinced that the cumbersome process of our NB writing a regulation, then seeking approval from the AF is not working.

I suggest that the Air Force write the regulations for use of the Air Force uniform with input from the NEC.  How much easier would it be to add a chapter to AF uniform regulations titled:  "Special Insignia and Provisions for the Civil Air Patrol?"

Our CAP regulation would be:  "Read the AFI and follow it when wearing the USAF uniform."

Motion on the floor to adjourn... Thank you Colonel.  Do we have a second?  Thank you.  All in favor, aye... Opposed, nay...  Motion carried, this meeting of the National Board is adjoured.

[LtCol White]

Back to the original topic, who can actually "ping" the Air Force on the status of embroidered nameplates and embroidered insignia? There's got to be some way.

I'm beginning to think that CAP needs an empowered uniform board. A board that will address the issues that members want, put them forward if the proposals are reasonable, and authorized to make inquiries of the Air Force directly. And all levels, including the National CC would need to go through them.

I doubt that the TPU would have actually gotten off the ground if such a path was taken, and a lot of our changes would be more reflective of the Air Force, instead of a mismash of the uniforms we have now.

If we had such an animal, USAF would be more receptive to uniform changes. Especially if we had a USAF Rep on the board to be involved in development.

[afgeo4]

How does yellow lettering on blue background with red edges sound? It picks up on CAP colors, follows USAF heraldry, and follows the CAP command patch. I just think they should leave grade and service on the patch so that people understand who they're dealing with. That's especially needed for cadets and senior members without grade who have no insignia on their shoulders.

[LtCol White]

I think Yellow border, blue background, and white/silver lettering looks better. This matches the command patch much better.

[wacapgh]

One Senior Member in WAWG just the week stopped at clothing sales on base to purchase some plastic encased grade for his "bag" and was told that AAFES no longer stocks or procures them.

[MIKE]

To be a little distinctive, white badge(s) and text on a blue background with a red boarder.

For PAWG, black badge(s) and text on an orange background with a black boarder. 

SMs without grade and SM NCOs shall have their grade and CAP beneath their name.  Cadets shall have CADET and CAP beneath their name.  Officers shall not have grade and CAP beneath their names if grade is worn on the shoulders of the flightsuit/flight jacket.

[fyrfitrmedic]

To be a little distinctive, white badge(s) and text on a blue background with a red boarder.

For PAWG, black badge(s) and text on an orange background with a black boarder. 

Gotta get a keystone on there somehow, no matter the color scheme 

[LtCol White]

Here is one made for me as a sample by someone I know at a company who makes them.

[JohnKachenmeister]

If I recall correctly, we can have our GT badges on the flight suit badge now, too, right?

[JC004]

To be a little distinctive, white badge(s) and text on a blue background with a red boarder.

For PAWG, black badge(s) and text on an orange background with a black boarder. 

   

...SMs without grade...shall have their grade...beneath their name...

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If I recall correctly, we can have our GT badges on the flight suit badge now, too, right?

According to the all-powerful NB minutes...

[MIKE]

...SMs without grade...shall have their grade...beneath their name...

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What I should have wrote:  SMs without grade shall have SM and CAP beneath their name.  IIRC the previous CAPM 39-1 authorized SR MBR or something.

[Eagle400]

Officers shall not have grade and CAP beneath their names if grade is worn on the shoulders of the flightsuit/flight jacket.

I didn't know this was authorized.  I see Air Force personnel do it all the time, but I didn't know CAP officers were allowed to omit grade and CAP beneath their name on the ASNP.  Do you have a reg cite, sir?

[Hawk200]

Officers shall not have grade and CAP beneath their names if grade is worn on the shoulders of the flightsuit/flight jacket.

I didn't know this was authorized.  I see Air Force personnel do it all the time, but I didn't know CAP officers were allowed to omit grade and CAP beneath their name on the ASNP.  Do you have a reg cite, sir?

It was a suggestion, not a reg quote. There is no reference for it.