If you were a gambling man...

[lordmonar]

TPU is a derogatory term meant to denigrate the wearer (in most cases) and make a statement about
the uniform, those other terms are not.

I intended that post to make the point, not an issue with abbreviations in general.

Love it or hate it, the CSU is and always will be a CAP uniform, just as the McPeak jackets will
always be a USAF uniform.

Which jackets are those?   The USAF Service Dress Uniform Jacket?

Get over yourself.

Someone said TPU....my FSM I think we need to call out the thought police because someone may be offended!

[Eclipse]

Someone is extra desiccated today...

[a2capt]

Both of you need to quit it.

[SarDragon]

Tick-tock. Tick-tock. Tick-tock.

[PHall]

Don't need a lock, just a couple of suspensions....

[Devil Doc]

Blues or No Blues, that is the question.


Actually, I have a set of Blue Utes, i actually like them somewhat, exept, mine say U.S Civil Air Patrol on the Nameplate 

[Shuman 14]

Every individual is going to have their preference...

Irrelevant.

it's a uniform, not a fashion statement.  If it's not "uni" it fails from zero.

That's the only thing you are harping on?!?!

This actually happened today, a couple of hours ago:

CAP was invited to be at the center stage for a Memorial Day service by a coalition of Vet groups.  Our squadron was the primary, but we also had members from surrounding squadrons taking part.  The local media was covering the event.

It was "requested" by the VFW leadership that those members in G/Ws stand off to the side, because "two different uniforms was confusing" and "you aren't wearing the same uniform as your cadets."  Since we were the invited guests, the CC (himself in G/Ws) agreed.

As such, those in the corporate uniform, many of themselves who were actual vets, were not able to take part except as observers off to the side.

A stark example of the disfunction of the current CAP uniform situation. 

I'm very sorry that happened to you.

[Shuman 14]

Every individual is going to have their preference...

Irrelevant.

it's a uniform, not a fashion statement.  If it's not "uni" it fails from zero.

That's the only thing you are harping on?!?!

This actually happened today, a couple of hours ago:

CAP was invited to be at the center stage for a Memorial Day service by a coalition of Vet groups.  Our squadron was the primary, but we also had members from surrounding squadrons taking part.  The local media was covering the event.

It was "requested" by the VFW leadership that those members in G/Ws stand off to the side, because "two different uniforms was confusing" and "you aren't wearing the same uniform as your cadets."  Since we were the invited guests, the CC (himself in G/Ws) agreed.

As such, those in the corporate uniform, many of themselves who were actual vets, were not able to take part except as observers off to the side.

The proper response would be to walk out.....but that's just me.

You and Don Rickles... Mr. Warmth. 

But I do see your point.

[Shuman 14]

I'd like to add 3 points.

• At both my Wing HQ by suggestion and at National Staff College last week by order ribbons were not worn on the blue or white shirts.
  It's been suggested this stems from AF officers not wearing ribbons on the shirt, only on the service coat. So if we start removing the option to wear ribbons on the white shirt then the G&W folks don't ever get to wear them. (Can you say 2nd class?)
  

LTC Hirons,

Is that an actual USAF regulation or a "tradition" ?

There a simular example in the Army, traditionally Officers don't wear weapons qualification badges. The actual regulation says that "all personnel" will wear at least one.

I always wear mine and when questioned on it, I simply ask "Please show me that in the regulations."  [/list]

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

It's a tradition.

I had a supervisor who was a "mustang" and when he was commissioned he already had a voluminous ribbon rack from having been a Master Sergeant with several combat tours in SE Asia.

He said that on the occasions when he did wear his ribbon rack on his shirt he would occasionally get a few looks like "man, where did that second looie get all the chest candy?"

[Shuman 14]

And to have fun with this discussion, here are documents pertaining to the development of CAP uniforms ... from November 1941.

Maybe it's time for CAP to return to it's khaki roots.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

And to have fun with this discussion, here are documents pertaining to the development of CAP uniforms ... from November 1941.

Maybe it's time for CAP to return to it's khaki roots.

It'd be nice but it won't happen.  The status quo is in an advanced state of petrification.

[Storm Chaser]

That's more of a tradition; there's nothing in the AFI prohibiting officers from wearing ribbons on the service uniform shirt. Traditionally, enlisted wear their ribbons on the shirt, while officers usually don't. An exception to that unwritten "rule" is that prior enlisted officers usually do wear ribbons. I used to wear mine when I was a lieutenant, but now I only do on my service dress uniform.

[Storm Chaser]

And to have fun with this discussion, here are documents pertaining to the development of CAP uniforms ... from November 1941.

Maybe it's time for CAP to return to it's khaki roots.

It'd be nice but it won't happen.  The status quo is in an advanced state of petrification.

Maybe. Or maybe, it's just that the majority of us don't like khaki uniforms.

[Shuman 14]

If a cadet over 18 is out of weight standards, their core values should clue them in...

Really? You have LTC and up who's core values haven't clued in yet. 

[Shuman 14]

If a cadet over 18 is out of weight standards, their core values should clue them in...

If its behavior based sure. I knew an outstanding cadet who had a medical issue which made him built like Lou Costello. Put all members in the same unis and this problem ends very quicky.

I'm not sure how putting 18 year old army recruits in banana suits during basic if they don't meet h/w standards isn't hazing, but putting a 20 year old cadet is...

The Army hasn't had the yellow PT uniform in well over 30 years. 

Overweight Soldiers wear the uniform of the day like any other Soldier.

[Shuman 14]

Semantics, so it does not cause confusion in the future, if a similar uniform does get approved... Eclipse is right...

Eclipse is a hypocrite.....but that's okay.

Cite please.

Bahahahahaha!!!!

:clap:

[lordmonar]

I'd like to add 3 points.

• At both my Wing HQ by suggestion and at National Staff College last week by order ribbons were not worn on the blue or white shirts.
  It's been suggested this stems from AF officers not wearing ribbons on the shirt, only on the service coat. So if we start removing the option to wear ribbons on the white shirt then the G&W folks don't ever get to wear them. (Can you say 2nd class?)
  

LTC Hirons,

Is that an actual USAF regulation or a "tradition" ?

There a simular example in the Army, traditionally Officers don't wear weapons qualification badges. The actual regulation says that "all personnel" will wear at least one.

I always wear mine and when questioned on it, I simply ask "Please show me that in the regulations."  [/list]

It is a tradition.   When I was on AD...before the mandatory blues Mondays.....E's wore their ribbons and O's did not.
It is perfectly acceptable for an activity director to dictate his uniform of the day. 

[Shuman 14]

And to have fun with this discussion, here are documents pertaining to the development of CAP uniforms ... from November 1941.

Maybe it's time for CAP to return to it's khaki roots.

It'd be nice but it won't happen.  The status quo is in an advanced state of petrification.

Maybe. Or maybe, it's just that the majority of us don't like khaki uniforms.

Cite please. 

[Phil Hirons, Jr.]

I'd like to add 3 points.

• At both my Wing HQ by suggestion and at National Staff College last week by order ribbons were not worn on the blue or white shirts.
  It's been suggested this stems from AF officers not wearing ribbons on the shirt, only on the service coat. So if we start removing the option to wear ribbons on the white shirt then the G&W folks don't ever get to wear them. (Can you say 2nd class?)
  

LTC Hirons,

Is that an actual USAF regulation or a "tradition" ?

There a simular example in the Army, traditionally Officers don't wear weapons qualification badges. The actual regulation says that "all personnel" will wear at least one.

I always wear mine and when questioned on it, I simply ask "Please show me that in the regulations."  [/list]

It is a tradition.   When I was on AD...before the mandatory blues Mondays.....E's wore their ribbons and O's did not.
It is perfectly acceptable for an activity director to dictate his uniform of the day.

I agree 100% on the activity director's (or any CC's) ability to choose the uniform of the day. At NSC, those in Blues were restricted to 2 badges (which matches the current limit for the G&Ws) The orders produced as much uniformity at a CAP event as I've ever seen.

My point was that if we start following AF tradition in this then we will be eliminating the 1 option for those unable to wear the AF uniform to display our awards.