Vanguard quality.....

[a2capt]

All vectored..

The stripes are using Air Force chevrons as an example, though appear "thicker" than what we have, in that the background is greater for ours. So, make them thinner..

Once there's one, just subtract the stripes and move the prop shield accordingly, to get all the way back to airman.


.. DXF, whatever one wants can come from that.

[AlphaSigOU]

DXF? Easy conversion into AutoCAD DWG format.

[Eclipse]

Autowhat now?

I don't see that option in my Paint program.

[a2capt]

Here's, with the stripes to background ratio evened up a bit:


When I send for CNC, I used DXF, unless Illustrator is ask for specifically.  I needed the center portion done vectorized anyway, I figured just make the whole insignia, make the biggest one first, and then remove elements to make the smaller ones as needed.

[Cliff_Chambliss]

OK, a question:
I would guess those are stars across the top of the shield but why 16?  I could understand the symbolism of 13, 48, or 50 but 16 escapes me.
13 The original colonies/States
48 The number of States when CAP was created.
50 The current number of States.

[Jaison009]

http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/R900_002_8A8354F4FD7C3.pdf
Page 3(b)(3) says 13 for 13 colonies and the other 3 were for the departments under the DOD- Army, Navy, and AF

OK, a question:
I would guess those are stars across the top of the shield but why 16?  I could understand the symbolism of 13, 48, or 50 but 16 escapes me.
13 The original colonies/States
48 The number of States when CAP was created.
50 The current number of States.

[MHC5096]

http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/R900_002_8A8354F4FD7C3.pdf
Page 3(b)(3) says 13 for 13 colonies and the other 3 were for the departments under the DOD- Army, Navy, and AF

That actually refers to the 13 stars on the CAP seal, not the 16 on the cadet chevrons. It was always my understanding that the 16 stars represented the 16 achievements of the cadet program.

[NIN]

http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/R900_002_8A8354F4FD7C3.pdf
Page 3(b)(3) says 13 for 13 colonies and the other 3 were for the departments under the DOD- Army, Navy, and AF

That actually refers to the 13 stars on the CAP seal, not the 16 on the cadet chevrons. It was always my understanding that the 16 stars represented the 16 achievements of the cadet program.

Yeah letting any documentation to the contrary, that's what I would expect too. 16 achievements, 16 stars

[flyboy53]

Eventually, we'll have these:

Of course, what do you expect when the stuff is made in China.

Kinda makes you miss when NHQ adopted this rank insignia and only pinned the center on a set of AF pin-on rank. Makes you wonder what mess they will make out of the new NCO insignia.

As for Ira Green, the company still exists in R.I. and pumps out a bunch of military insignia.

Anyone at NHQ ever consider rebidding the contract?

[Alaric]

I think people should have the option of supporting what they wish.  I think that if cadets want to participate in activities then they should either fundraise, or have their parents pay.  Which is how every youth activity I ever participated worked (Boy Scouts, Explorers, Sports, Academic Olympics, Math Team).  I got a job, my troop fund raised.  Our local uniform store didn't overcharge for lousy quality and then kick-back the money to the Scout Council.

Oh my. I bet you wish you could do that with your tax dollars as well? Ever look at what some CAP activities cost? Outside of scholarships, no cadets get free rides for anything, really. Sure CAP is cheaper than Cheerleading or Football team, or a myriad of other things, but there are costs still present, and I dare say at times CAP is the option for THOSE kids who simply CAN'T afford any of those expensive "school" programs. As much as we shedog about stuff at times, is the stuff really that bad? I've seen some embroidery that wasn't the best, but we get stuff that looks like other stuff, and in pictures today or 10 years ago, it's hard to tell it apart.

We COULDN'T afford it either, which is why we fundraised and I got a job, which allowed me to participate.  I've seen what CAP activities cost, and if people want to participate they should come up with the funding.  I'd like to go to some special activities, and in order to do so, I need to budget and save, not expect someone else to pay too much for poor quality stuff so my participation can be subsidized.  Isn't self-sufficiency one of the things we are supposed to teach these kids?  And yes the stuff is really that bad.

[NIN]

Eventually, we'll have these:

Of course, what do you expect when the stuff is made in China.

Actually, no.  During my chat with Mr. Bostwick yesterday, he mentioned that all of Vanguard's metal insignia is manufactured by their subsidiary "International Insignia" in Providence, RI. (their website is a little "1998", but the videos on the "Process" page are interesting. Take a look: http://www.internationalinsignia.com/)

I believe International Insignia was part of N.S. Meyer, which Vanguard purchased in 2000.

Kinda makes you miss when NHQ adopted this rank insignia and only pinned the center on a set of AF pin-on rank. Makes you wonder what mess they will make out of the new NCO insignia.

As for Ira Green, the company still exists in R.I. and pumps out a bunch of military insignia.

Anyone at NHQ ever consider rebidding the contract?

Ira Green not only exists in RI, but is literally around the corner and down the block from Vanguard's International Insignia location. Like 2/10th of a mile. 

BTW, an interesting aside: Ira Green owns Brigade Quartermaster. So any time you're buying BQM stuff at AAFES on the "hooah gear" rack, you're supporting Ira Green.

[Cliff_Chambliss]

http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/R900_002_8A8354F4FD7C3.pdf
Page 3(b)(3) says 13 for 13 colonies and the other 3 were for the departments under the DOD- Army, Navy, and AF

That actually refers to the 13 stars on the CAP seal, not the 16 on the cadet chevrons. It was always my understanding that the 16 stars represented the 16 achievements of the cadet program.

Thanks for clarification.

[Eclipse]

Actually, no.  During my chat with Mr. Bostwick yesterday, he mentioned that all of Vanguard's metal insignia is manufactured by their subsidiary "International Insignia" in Providence, RI. (their website is a little "1998", but the videos on the "Process" page are interesting. Take a look: http://www.internationalinsignia.com/)

I believe International Insignia was part of N.S. Meyer, which Vanguard purchased in 2000

Interesting that they list the 5 "major" uniformed services, and even an insignia from the CGAUX but no love for CAP.
It also appears that they produce some really nice insignia, at least as much as what is shown.
They didn't have any issue with this:

[Jaison009]

You are probably right on that one. It also could be the 16 numbered air forces; however, I would think that the achievement number makes more sense. I am curious have there always been 16 achievements? What year did the shield come about?

http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/R900_002_8A8354F4FD7C3.pdf
Page 3(b)(3) says 13 for 13 colonies and the other 3 were for the departments under the DOD- Army, Navy, and AF

That actually refers to the 13 stars on the CAP seal, not the 16 on the cadet chevrons. It was always my understanding that the 16 stars represented the 16 achievements of the cadet program.

Yeah letting any documentation to the contrary, that's what I would expect too. 16 achievements, 16 stars

[THRAWN]

You are probably right on that one. It also could be the 16 numbered air forces; however, I would think that the achievement number makes more sense. I am curious have there always been 16 achievements? What year did the shield come about?

http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/R900_002_8A8354F4FD7C3.pdf
Page 3(b)(3) says 13 for 13 colonies and the other 3 were for the departments under the DOD- Army, Navy, and AF

That actually refers to the 13 stars on the CAP seal, not the 16 on the cadet chevrons. It was always my understanding that the 16 stars represented the 16 achievements of the cadet program.

Yeah letting any documentation to the contrary, that's what I would expect too. 16 achievements, 16 stars

There are a lot more than 16 NAFs. My money is on the achievements.

[MHC5096]

Enlisted cadets transitioned from cloth sew-on chevrons to the metal insignia with shield in 1978.

[VNY]

Enlisted cadets transitioned from cloth sew-on chevrons to the metal insignia with shield in 1978.

My time as a cadet ended in 1976 so I never wore those.  I was under the impression cloth rank lasted a lot longer than that.

[MHC5096]

1978 was the transition. The metal chevrons were in full use when I came on board in 1983.

[Eclipse]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E88RUqyjts

NIN and Stonewall featured as 1:21.

[AlphaSigOU]

Until the introduction of the Eaker Award, Feik and Armstrong achievements and the upgrading of the Wright Brothers achievement to milestone award status there were only 15 achievements.