Crewmember wings alternative

[Mustang]

Didn't care much for the design in the 39-1 draft, so I whipped this up.  Feedback invited.

[Panache]

Other than I can see some confusion between these, the Observer wings, and the pilot wings, I like it.

Maybe make the "C" gold?

[Flying Pig]

What exactly is an "alternative" crew member?  Is becoming an Observer really that hard if you want a set of wings that bad?

[Panache]

Flying Pig, I think he's making alternative wings for Aircrew, which is apparently now a Thing in the draft 39-1.

[LSThiker]

What exactly is an "alternative" crew member?  Is becoming an Observer really that hard if you want a set of wings that bad?

It is not "alternative" crew member, rather alternative "crewmember wings".  Look in CAPM39-1 for the proposed crewmember wings.

[Eclipse]

What exactly is an "alternative" crew member?  Is becoming an Observer really that hard if you want a set of wings that bad?

Most of the real work in the airplanes is done by the GIB these days, that should be recognized.

[Mustang]

Other than I can see some confusion between these, the Observer wings, and the pilot wings, I like it.

Maybe make the "C" gold?

This has never been a problem with CAP Glider Pilot wings, which served as the basis for my design.

[Panache]

Other than I can see some confusion between these, the Observer wings, and the pilot wings, I like it.

Maybe make the "C" gold?

This has never been a problem with CAP Glider Pilot wings, which served as the basis for my design.

Just another reason for the "C" to stand out more, since it looks very, very much like the "G" in the glider wings.

I like where you're going with this, fwiw.  Just needs to be differentiated some more.

[Mustang]

This has never been a problem with CAP Glider Pilot wings, which served as the basis for my design.

Just another reason for the "C" to stand out more, since it looks very, very much like the "G" in the glider wings.

I like where you're going with this, fwiw.  Just needs to be differentiated some more.

Point taken, but if implemented, you'll see far more crew wings out there than glider wings.  I doubt there are more than a hundred CAP Glider Pilots out there, most people have never seen anyone wearing glider wings.

Also, adding a second color metal to the insignia would drive up the cost enormously as it would add a n additional degree of complexity to the manufacturing process that isn't there now with all current wings.  And before anyone says it, I will hunt down anyone who suggests adding colored enamel!

[BHartman007]

Maybe you could add some colored enamel.

[MacGruff]

Maybe you could add some colored enamel.

I would duck into hiding, if i were you...   

[BHartman007]

Maybe you could add some colored enamel.

I would duck into hiding, if i were you...   

[Flying Pig]

I have GLIDER wings!!!!

[Mustang]

Buncha wiseguys, eh?

[THRAWN]

There is no need to design and produce a new set of badges for members of CAP aircrews. Current designs would suffice for the purpose of designating individuals as aircrew with no additional cost to the member or the organization. It is my proposal that the current Observer style aviation badge be redesignated "CAP Aircrew Badge". This would enable one badge to encompass all non-pilot aircrew specialties. The Basic badge would be authorized for scanners, aerial photographers, and all other non-pilot and non-observer crew duties. The senior badge would be authorized for Observers. The Master badge would be authorized for members who are qualified Air Operations Branch Directors. Using this method, there would be no need to design, cast or produce a new style insignia in the various versions (full, mini, cloth, and leather nametag). Organizationally, only a change to existing regs would be necessary, with negligible funding impact. The cost to members would be minimal.

[capmaj]

Can't seem to find the verbage concerning the 'aircrew' member wings in the 39-1 proposal. I noticed the pic in the illustrations, but can someone point out the wording concerning these?

[THRAWN]

You're not alone. Just another example of the cart before the horse...no description of the training requirements, just a shiny new badge...

Can't seem to find the verbage concerning the 'aircrew' member wings in the 39-1 proposal. I noticed the pic in the illustrations, but can someone point out the wording concerning these?

[Papabird]

Can't seem to find the verbage concerning the 'aircrew' member wings in the 39-1 proposal. I noticed the pic in the illustrations, but can someone point out the wording concerning these?

A new CAPR 35-6 will have to be released to provide that information.  At this point, it is unknown to us "masses".   

[a2capt]

You're not alone. Just another example of the cart before the horse...no description of the training requirements, just a shiny new badge...

NCO Program announcement, anyone? At least this is still draft, so there's an excuse.

[Storm Chaser]

I'm not sure we need another set of aircrew wings. That said, if NHQ is going to authorize them, I would recommend they be awarded to additional aircrew qualifications such as Airborne Photographer (AP), but not to Mission Scanners (MS). The reason being, I see MS as sort of a transitional aircrew qualification. MS is a prerequisite to all other mission aircrew qualifications and its requirements are not that many or that difficult. I don't see why a MS can't go the extra steps to become a MO or AP in order to earn his/her wings. I would venture to say that most active MS also hold additional aircrew qualifications anyway.