Improved Golf Shirt

[Phillip]

I don't think anyone is suggesting tac pants be worn with the whites or blazer.

Those indicated above fall well within the prescription with no changes needed.

I didn't mean to suggest such.  It's just with the demise of the CSU, the remaining Corporate uniforms could use some standardization since they are here to stay.  As much as I like the tac pants with the polo (heck, I ordered a pair to wear with mine), I'd rather see a pair that could be used with all combos because you know someone will wear tac pants with the blazer.   

[Blues Brother]

those tac pants look like an excellent choice to wear with the polo to me.

[arajca]

The cost depends on who will own the image afterward. Most of the free or super cheap ones retain ownership of the image. Most of the ones that charge $35 or so, you own the image. Additionally, if you already have the appropriate embroidery image file, many higher end shops will actually be cheaper than the free ones.

The image or the machine setup?  No way I'm giving up rights to the image just to have patches made.

Embroidery image file contains the stitch and thread codes along with sewing pattern. These are usually combination works - outline by computer, stitch plan by hand. If you own it, you can take it to just about any embriodery shop to have shirts, patches, etc made.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

It's just with the demise of the CSU, the remaining Corporate uniforms could use some standardization since they are here to stay.

I don't see much standardisation happening, for one primary reason:

A big part of why some members go the corporate route is because it's cheap, and because there aren't any hard-and-fast standards.  39-1, as with so many other issues, has some holes in it on this issue big enough to fly a C-5 through.

Members who go this route can go to Goodwill/Salvation Army/St. Vince's and get a white shirt with epaulettes.  Nowhere does 39-1 say it has to be a Van Heusen brand aviator shirt, purchased from Vanguard.

The situation is much the same with grey trousers...$5.00 can get you an almost-new set of those from the above sources.

If CAP were to say, "OK, it has to be white shirt A and grey trousers B, and the only place you get those will be Vanguard," CAP is going to have possibly even more disgruntled (and vocal about it) members than they did with the way they bungled the CSU.

I know a lot of members who are within H/W and grooming standards to wear the AF uniform but wear the G/W because it is cheap and easy to put together...and some who wear it for those reasons even though they dislike its appearance.

[Blues Brother]

I dont mean to sound dumb, but what is a CSU?

[RogueLeader]

I dont mean to sound dumb, but what is a CSU?

Corporate service uniform. A uniform no longer authorized.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

I dont mean to sound dumb, but what is a CSU?

A uniform that was well-liked by most and taken from us without reason.

[PHall]

I dont mean to sound dumb, but what is a CSU?

A uniform that was well-liked by most a few and taken from us without reason.

Please don't include me in your personal opinion.
Personally, I thought the uniform was just one person's way to thumb their nose at the Air Force.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Isn't his unit ciatation out of place?

[Eclipse]

Please don't include me in your personal opinion.
Personally, I thought the uniform was just one person's way to thumb their nose at the Air Force.

The USAF, apparently, disagreed, since they dictated minor changes and then approved it.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Please don't include me in your personal opinion.
Personally, I thought the uniform was just one person's way to thumb their nose at the Air Force.

The USAF, apparently, disagreed, since they dictated minor changes and then approved it.

Here's a wild conspiracy theory. What if the USAF wanted all of CAP to switch to it, and that's why it was canned? Like the lottery, at least that makes it interesting to think about.

[Eclipse]

Please don't include me in your personal opinion.
Personally, I thought the uniform was just one person's way to thumb their nose at the Air Force.

The USAF, apparently, disagreed, since they dictated minor changes and then approved it.

Here's a wild conspiracy theory. What if the USAF wanted all of CAP to switch to it, and that's why it was canned? Like the lottery, at least that makes it interesting to think about.

That would be hilarious.

[PHall]

Please don't include me in your personal opinion.
Personally, I thought the uniform was just one person's way to thumb their nose at the Air Force.

The USAF, apparently, disagreed, since they dictated minor changes and then approved it.

Notice where I said PERSONALLY...   As in it's my personal opinion.

My take is that minor changes were the things that gave the folks at AU and AETC the most heartburn.
I see the "influence" of the SecDef and SecAF in the uniform's sudden "death" many months later.

[abdsp51]

Are tac/cargo pants even authorized with the Polo? 

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

Please don't include me in your personal opinion.

I didn't.  I said most, not all, and did not name names.  It would have been fallacious and incorrect for me to have said everyone liked it, when it was not the case.

My take is that minor changes were the things that gave the folks at AU and AETC the most heartburn.
I see the "influence" of the SecDef and SecAF in the uniform's sudden "death" many months later.

There is no proof of that.  The uniform's death was decided by NEC.

The only changes that the AF specified were replacing the "U.S." collar brass with "CAP" and removing the hard rank from the flight cap.  They stipulated that, they got it.  They apparently had no problem with anything else (including the use of their blue shoulder marks) or they would, logically, have stipulated that, too.

[Eclipse]

Are tac/cargo pants even authorized with the Polo?

Yes, in that they don't need to be specifically authorized, as they aren't prohibited, and most meet the very sparse prescription with
no need for an edit or even a stretch.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

Yes, in that they don't need to be specifically authorized, as they aren't prohibited, and most meet the very sparse prescription with
no need for an edit or even a stretch.

Which is why I don't see any real standardisation with the corporate uniforms coming down the pipe, because unless you're wearing something clearly outrageous...like the jodhpurs on this East German officer (at least they're grey!)...



...then there shouldn't be any problem.

It's really surprising how nice and "dressy" you can make the tactical trousers look with a little effort, actually.

[Eclipse]

I prefer a higher heel, but otherwise...

[SarDragon]

I prefer a higher heel, but otherwise...

I bet you'd look great in a 2" white pump. 

[Simplex]

Back to the main topic, I like that polo. Personally I wear the corporate stuff with the exception of BDU's as the AF style is so expensive. Especially from that V-place.