ES/Ground Team can wear whatever in the field?

[av8tr1]

CAWG requires an Orange shirt with Blue BDU pants for Ground Team members while in the field. It is not authorized for wear at base.  Here is a link - http://cawg.cap.gov/html/Pubs/supps.htm - See the CAWG 39-1, a Supplement approved by NHQ.

Wow and people wonder how California gets the reputation it has. 

[abdsp51]

I would like to point out that no one is arguing whether or not the CA Wg GT uniform is authorized.  The question was if it was a STATE requirement and it is not.  As I have mentioned it is up to the Sheriff for the county to determine the uniform, and to answer the question there are MAA between counties.  Simply because a few counties require Orange for a uniform shirt does not mean all do.  The supplement posted by Bdolnick is the CAP CA Wg GT uniform authorized per the CA Wg supp to 39-1, however there is NO STATE MANDATE, REG, STATUTE or fill in the blank, etc saying that an orange shirt is required.  I think confusion occurred because the message was not broadcast clearly or something.   

[wuzafuzz]

CAWG requires an Orange shirt with Blue BDU pants for Ground Team members while in the field. It is not authorized for wear at base.  Here is a link - http://cawg.cap.gov/html/Pubs/supps.htm - See the CAWG 39-1, a Supplement approved by NHQ.

Wow and people wonder how California gets the reputation it has.

CA ain't all bad.  It's saddled with goofy laws and regulations just like most states are.  Finding your happy place is often a matter of which location has laws you can live with, and other people find stupid.  For instance, you can get a concealed pistol permit in Washington, but don't dare carry at an outdoor music festival.  http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=70.108.150   Go figure.

I still prefer Colorado to California.   

Although sheriffs are responsible for SAR within their counties, CalEMA gets involved the instant mutual aid is a factor.  Playing nice with CalEMA is important since CAP is a statewide organization.

My guess is there is a CalEMA memo, best practices document, or something similar that defines orange shirts as preferred for volunteer SAR folks.  Just like the Air Force wants CAP to be "distinctive," law enforcement usually wants the same for their volunteers.

[adamblank]

Having transferred to CAWG a year ago and being involved in their GT business.  I think it is great.  Everything can improve but the orange shirt for actual searches is fine.  It makes sense, its easier to locate your team and can be removed right after active es ops. 

[av8tr1]

Has anyone ever actually tried to see the difference between someone wearing a orange t-shirt and the orange vests we are assigned to wear?  It isn't much of a difference in the air or ground. 

[ol'fido]

am-big-u-ous(/am'bigyooes/ adj.

1. Open to more than one interpretation, having more than one meaning.

2. Unclear or inexact because a choice between alternatives has not been made.

3. See Civil Air Patrol regulations and manuals esp. regarding uniforms.

[Major Lord]

.......And we (Californians) can smoke marijuana while wearing our CALTRANS uniform, as long as we have a serious medical condition, like........foot fungus or something really bad. Naturally, we can take off our Uniforms entirely on a mission to practice our Gaea worship. Keep in mind that the vast majority of the leadership and much of the membership in CAWG are burned out Woodstock-era Hippies who would sell our Country out for a handful of peyote or to bring about their utopian goals of socialism, and free puppies for everyone, bless their little hearts.....CAPNHQ does not get that CAWG is special ,and can adapt the er, "regular", regs to themselves, changing uniforms and any other policy that just seems like a swell idea!

Major Lord

[wuzafuzz]

Has anyone ever actually tried to see the difference between someone wearing a orange t-shirt and the orange vests we are assigned to wear?  It isn't much of a difference in the air or ground.

Yep!

I have seen orange shirts versus orange vests from the air.  The shirts are much easier to see, especially if they are long sleeves, which the vests lack.  Further, I've seen teams wear puny vests, vests scrunched up under pack straps or web gear, vests turned into "belts." or vests worn on the back pack instead of on the person (useless when they turn to look at the plane).  Caveat, I'm talking about people wearing BDU's.  BBDU's might be easier to see from 1,000 ft AGL.

Most of those problems can be resolved with effective leadership.  Unfortunately that doesn't always happen.  Still, head to head, I'll take the orange shirt over the vests.  Bottom line, the more square inches of orange, or other high-viz color, the better.

A big orange panel always rides in my GTM pack.  Great as the initial attention getter.  But a real PITA if the plane is circling and directing us to a target.

I've been trying to arrange an aerial  photo shoot to show our uniforms, standing next to members of a local SAR team.  They wear orange shirts...t-shirts, or button up long and short sleeve shirts.

[RADIOMAN015]

Hmm, how about a simple orange vest, with appropriate reflective material and the words "Civil Air Patrol", worn with appropriate protective clothing (even civilian) for the type of weather one is encountering???  I think it readily shows who we are and with appropriate protective clothing the mission can be completed

WAY too much money & time being spent on CAP military "look a like" uniforms for ES field operations.   We are the Civil Air Patrol, official civilian auxiliary of the United States Air Force.
RM
     

[RogueLeader]

^No more than looking corporate. We got it.

[sarmed1]

Has anyone ever actually tried to see the difference between someone wearing a orange t-shirt and the orange vests we are assigned to wear?  It isn't much of a difference in the air or ground.

Somewhere there are pictures floating around of aerial photos shot for HMRS-Same positions of the team, same realative position of the aircraft.  Pic A-is PC with orange vest only, Pic B-is PAWG orange baseball hat..... guess which picture has the team more visable...... the PAWG sickly orange hat.


just sayin'

mk

[NCRblues]

Somewhere there are pictures floating around of aerial photos shot for HMRS-Same positions of the team, same realative position of the aircraft.  Pic A-is PC with orange vest only, Pic B-is PAWG orange baseball hat..... guess which picture has the team more visable...... the PAWG sickly orange hat.


just sayin'

mk

Just saying what?

That an Aircraft can see a hat that is on TOP of the head better than the aircraft can see a vest that faces front and back of a person. Shocking....

[Spaceman3750]

Has anyone ever actually tried to see the difference between someone wearing a orange t-shirt and the orange vests we are assigned to wear?  It isn't much of a difference in the air or ground.

Somewhere there are pictures floating around of aerial photos shot for HMRS-Same positions of the team, same realative position of the aircraft.  Pic A-is PC with orange vest only, Pic B-is PAWG orange baseball hat..... guess which picture has the team more visable...... the PAWG sickly orange hat.


just sayin'

mk

That's because the hat has more upward visibility. A shirt doesn't have any more upward visibility than the big ANSI vest I wear now.

[whatevah]

May I propose this as the official Ground Team High-Speed Low-Drag Headgear?


High visibility in all conditions and angles, features sun protection for neck/ears that traditional BDU caps and baseball caps ignore, and provides hot-weather ventilation via mesh panels around the reflective band.

(remind me to get a tongue-in-cheek smiley)

[Extremepredjudice]

Sir, you need to get a tongue-in-check smiley 

What is a tongue-in-Check smiley anyway?

[whatevah]

Sir, you need to get a tongue-in-check smiley

What is tongue-in-Check anyway?

stupid auto-correct...

[lordmonar]

May I propose this as the official Ground Team High-Speed Low-Drag Headgear?


High visibility in all conditions and angles, features sun protection for neck/ears that traditional BDU caps and baseball caps ignore, and provides hot-weather ventilation via mesh panels around the reflective band.

(remind me to get a tongue-in-cheek smiley)

I got no problem with that hat at all!

100% makes pefect sense.

I have one in my flight survival kit!

[Major Lord]

I believe that this hat should only be authorized if it has fishing lures attached. Maybe a dryfly for 2nd Lt's, going up to a silver spinner for Lt Col's.

Major Lord

[Eclipse]

I believe that this hat should only be authorized if it has fishing lures attached. Maybe a dryfly for 2nd Lt's, going up to a silver spinner for Lt Col's.

Major Lord

[bflynn]

May I propose this as the official Ground Team High-Speed Low-Drag Headgear?


High visibility in all conditions and angles, features sun protection for neck/ears that traditional BDU caps and baseball caps ignore, and provides hot-weather ventilation via mesh panels around the reflective band.

(remind me to get a tongue-in-cheek smiley)

I got no problem with that hat at all!

100% makes pefect sense.

I have one in my flight survival kit!

It makes sense to me too - where can I get one?