So why do we have height and weight standards?

[PA Guy]

and why no grade insignia? that makes no sense.....

It avoids confusion when working with other agencies.  Members of other agencies, especially law enforcement, often assume the highest ranking person is in charge which we all know frequently isn't the case in CAP.

[Eclipse]

On second thought, whatever...

[PA Guy]

I think the comments that this is somehow an anti-military response are off-base, removing the military insignia is the only way something
like this would ever get approved by CAP-USAF.

From the inception of the uniform some 20 yrs ago military/CAP badges and rank were pruposely left off to blend more easily with the non CAP ground SAR teams in CA

I wonder how many 4-letter words would be in the response from local PD or FD were they told to take off their badges?  Do the Guard
remove their grade and wear orange shirts when they help local agencies?

Badges were never the issue.  The CAARNG does not do ground SAR in CA so that is a moot issue.  They are trained in wildland firefighting.  When engaged in that they wear a wildland firefighting ensemble without any insignia  or grade.

Apparently like CAP's uniform regs, the word "mandatory" is also open to interpretaton in CAWG:

Gimme a break.  Why don't we all move to ILWG so you can show us how things are done in the perfect group in the perfect wing.

[NCRblues]

wait wait, the CAARNG doesn't wear grade when fighting fires..... i find that so hard to believe....

"why did you yell at your superior officer?" "he wasn't wearing rank sir" just does not play out well in my mind....can anyone cite this because i haven't been able to find anything official on that.....

Second, I'm sure the local LEO's don't take off there grade, and they have the same problem as we do. Sometimes its not always the highest rank present who is in charge, but we had to take ours off.....

I'm so confused and even more so happy i don't live in the people republic of Cali.....

[PA Guy]

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[The CyBorg is destroyed]

RED "Mounty" style service coats for our Wing that boarder the "Great White North."

I'll pass on the RCMP red attire, especially since the RCMP only wears them for ceremonial occasions (parades, escorting the Queen).

However, if we have to have a camouflage uniform, I wouldn't at all mind their CADPAT digital camo:

http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/lfwa/photos/AS2007-0663a_l.jpg

They actually invented it and there's some sort of secret squirrel stuff in it stipulating it has to be returned when the troop leaves the Queen's Service.

Even adopting something like their shade of blue for a new, improved CSU might be possible...

[PA Guy]

wait wait, the CAARNG doesn't wear grade when fighting fires..... i find that so hard to believe....

"why did you yell at your superior officer?" "he wasn't wearing rank sir" just does not play out well in my mind....can anyone cite this because i haven't been able to find anything official on that.....

When on the fire line Guard personel wear the wildland fire "uniform" sans insignia/grade.

http://msmedia.dot.ca.gov/CNG/080724_GrizCast_OLS_AirGroundSupport.asf

http://msmedia.dot.ca.gov/CNG/080720_SamudioNews_TeamAxe.asf

http://msmedia.dot.ca.gov/cng/080712_Grizcast_OpLightningStrike.asf

[NCRblues]

wait wait, the CAARNG doesn't wear grade when fighting fires..... i find that so hard to believe....

"why did you yell at your superior officer?" "he wasn't wearing rank sir" just does not play out well in my mind....can anyone cite this because i haven't been able to find anything official on that.....

When on the fire line Guard personel wear the wildland fire "uniform" sans insignia/grade.

http://msmedia.dot.ca.gov/CNG/080724_GrizCast_OLS_AirGroundSupport.asf

http://msmedia.dot.ca.gov/CNG/080720_SamudioNews_TeamAxe.asf

http://msmedia.dot.ca.gov/cng/080712_Grizcast_OpLightningStrike.asf

AH i get it now, so yes while literally on the "fire line" they wear a classic forest fire suit (not a fire fighter so i don't know the terms) but working on helicopters, aircraft, and when not on the "line" they were in normal uniform... that makes more sense to me now....

[Fubar]

So then, is it okay...

+++That we close-hold vital mission information from other agencies within Unified Command, citing "OPSEC?"

If you're talking about radio frequencies which are controlled by the Air Force, then yes.

I thought I read in this very forum where CAP refused to provide any information to a family when the search was suspended and the aircraft was not found. The family, through their own continued efforts, located the wreckage two or three years later.

[fyrfitrmedic]

Man, there is so much wrong with this idea, the uniform itself, and that web page I don't know where to start...

And since CAP doesn't make the rules it doesn't make a bit of difference.

CAP operates in the State of California at the pleasure of the various County Sheriff's and the Governor.
The Governor has delegated his authority to CalEMA.

That's the way the law is written and has been that way since before WWII, if not earlier.

Wow, this reminds me of Ottoman-era dhimmi laws.

[JohnKachenmeister]

wait wait, the CAARNG doesn't wear grade when fighting fires..... i find that so hard to believe....

"why did you yell at your superior officer?" "he wasn't wearing rank sir" just does not play out well in my mind....can anyone cite this because i haven't been able to find anything official on that.....

When on the fire line Guard personel wear the wildland fire "uniform" sans insignia/grade.

http://msmedia.dot.ca.gov/CNG/080724_GrizCast_OLS_AirGroundSupport.asf

http://msmedia.dot.ca.gov/CNG/080720_SamudioNews_TeamAxe.asf

http://msmedia.dot.ca.gov/cng/080712_Grizcast_OpLightningStrike.asf

As I said... California is very uncomfortable with military uniforms.

[MIKE]

Drift terminated.