Quote from: jimmydeanno on June 26, 2007, 03:05:17 PM
just as long as it isn't titled "show me your rack" >:D
;D
http://www.medals.lava.pl/us/uschk.htm
http://ultimaterack.ajandj.com/
http://www.mcchord.org/rack_builder/
Here it goes...
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p114/MajorCarrales/ribbons.jpg)
(http://tedda.net/IMGS/ribbons.gif)
Legend:
Top row from left
Presidential Unit Citation (USCG-not in my possession, but in my record)
Unit Commendation (USCG)
Civil Air Patrol Meritorious Service Award
2nd row
Civil Air Patrol Unit Citation Award
Civil Air Patrol Gover Loening Award
Civil Air Patrol Leadership Award
third row
Civil Air Patrol Membership Award
Civil Air Patrol Gen. Chuck Yeager Award
Civil Air Patrol Red Service Ribbon
bottom row
Civil Air Patrol Search Find Ribbon
Civil Air Patrol Search and Rescue Ribbon
Civil Air Patrol Senior Recruiter Ribbon
I was SO tempted to put Pamela Anderson up...
Hey Ted,
Does the USCGAUX use the same ribbons as the USCG?
Here's mine:
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1064/633422328_9a013fca92.jpg)
1. Army Commendation Medal
2. Army Good Conduct Medal
3. National Defense Service Medal
4. Army Service Ribbon
5. CAP Leadership Ribbon
6. CAP Membership Ribbon
7. CAP Yeager Award
Quote from: jkalemis on June 26, 2007, 05:04:59 PM
Does the USCGAUX use the same ribbons as the USCG?
The CGAux has it's own ribbons like CAP, but can also be awarded some CG awards like the CGPUC and CGUC shown above.
Quote from: jkalemis on June 26, 2007, 05:04:59 PM
Hey Ted,
Does the USCGAUX use the same ribbons as the USCG?
Nope, they're way different. I use
http://www.medals.lava.pl/us/uschk.htm (http://www.medals.lava.pl/us/uschk.htm) to build my rack since it shows you the ribbons along with the checkboxes to select them. Simply choose the Coast Guard and Coast Guard Auxiliary checkboxes to compare them.
Quote from: jkalemis on June 26, 2007, 05:03:34 PM
I was SO tempted to put Pamela Anderson up...
But then that wouldn't be
your rack now would it? :)
So what's the secret to saving the shot of your rack to put it here? I don't seem to be able to do that.
Jack
Quote from: ColonelJack on June 26, 2007, 05:25:15 PM
So what's the secret to saving the shot of your rack to put it here? I don't seem to be able to do that.
Jack
What I do is to build the rack, the hit the "print screen" button. Then I "paste" that into a Photoshop window and "crop it." Once I have done that I up load it to photobucket.
Here it goes...
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z248/jimmydeanno/MyRack.jpg)
Jimmy.
Quote from: MIKE on June 26, 2007, 05:16:12 PM
Quote from: jkalemis on June 26, 2007, 05:03:34 PM
I was SO tempted to put Pamela Anderson up...
But then that wouldn't be your rack now would it? :)
I will travel across the States and bag her with a wedding sack... AND SHE WILL BE MINE!!!!
This is why the "all, some or none" rule is your friend.
Even with the "illegal" ribbons removed (6 - the Army Civilian Ach Medal and the 5 MDANG ribbons that can't be worn on the CAP uniform) that's still too much fruit salad. I think my current CAP Service Dress has 18 (9 of each).
WOW - 12 rows can still make it under the lapel flap?
Reminds me of a funny: at RSC there were many prancing around with a rack like that. Most active service ribbons, few CAP ribbons. And the CAP ribbons were wrong!!!!
;D
Quote from: jkalemis on June 26, 2007, 05:58:46 PM
WOW - 12 rows can still make it under the lapel flap?
Reminds me of a funny: at RSC there were many prancing around with a rack like that. Most active service ribbons, few CAP ribbons. And the CAP ribbons were wrong!!!!
;D
Probably not - I'd most likely have to go four across and lose the maintenance badge. It's worse with my current badge as my "globe and key" have a star and wreath over it.
Here's the stripped down version...
(http://group22.net/files/other/eclipse_rack_june_07.gif)
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:-mkI9XljtHk8hM:http://www.shop.uk8ball.co.uk/images/Master%2520Rack.jpg)
(http://www.ncrpao.org/stuff/p.jpg)
Quote from: 2d Lt <NOT SO> Fat but FUZZY on June 26, 2007, 06:48:45 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:-mkI9XljtHk8hM:http://www.shop.uk8ball.co.uk/images/Master%2520Rack.jpg)
You owe me a new Keyboard!!!!! >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
lolololololololololololololololololol
I couldnt get the background to change on my computer. I had to improvise.
(http://mysite.verizon.net/txokmason/rack_06-25-07.gif)
Every time I sneeze, I wind up getting another piece of flair for my uniform!
AF Overseas Long Tour Ribbon
AF Training Ribbon
Commander's Commendation Award
National Commander's Unit Citation Award
Unit Citation Award (+2 bronze clasps)
Grover Loening Award
Gen Benjamin Davis Leadership Award (+1 bronze star for Senior rating)
Membership Award
Brig Gen Charles E. (Chuck) Yeager Aerospace Award
Amelia Earhart Award
Red Service Ribbon (+2 bronze clasps - more than 10 years' service combined cadink and senior)
Search 'Find' Ribbon
Cadet Advisory Council Ribbon (+bronze star for service to Florida Wing CAC as a cadet)
Encampment Ribbon (+1 bronze clasp)
Okay, here's mine.
(//)
Top: Senior Observer Wings
1st Row: Meritorious Service Award, Commander's Commendation
2nd Row: Unit Citation, Gill Robb Wilson, Paul E. Garber
3rd Row: Grover Loening, Davis Leadership, Membership
4th Row: Yeager Aerospace, Crossfield Aerospace, Command Service
5th Row: Red Service, Encampment, Senior Recruiter
Jack
(http://members.cox.net/dragnd/rack.jpg)
Warning for adults only!!!
Proceed at your own risk!!!!
No cadets allowed!!!!!!
I am warning you!!!!
Last chance!!!!!!
OK here is my rack!
Can't wait to get my hands on it tonight!!!!
Turn back!!!!!
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:G7L0hweeXDi3kM:http://www.someblogs.com/4kidsmomndad/archives/wine%2520rack.JPG)
Nice huh???
Here's my wifes rack!!
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ypsU6ko49cJiiM:http://www.themetalpeddler.com/images/small-copper-kitchen-pot-rack-006.jpg)
LOL... You owe me a new keyboard...
Make that 2 keyboards. You'd better stock up...
With more than three. . . . . . . .
Quote from: Major Carrales on June 26, 2007, 05:27:24 PM
Quote from: ColonelJack on June 26, 2007, 05:25:15 PM
So what's the secret to saving the shot of your rack to put it here? I don't seem to be able to do that.
Jack
What I do is to build the rack, the hit the "print screen" button. Then I "paste" that into a Photoshop window and "crop it." Once I have done that I up load it to photobucket.
Way too much work.
Tags - MIKE
Don't have any hosting space. And yeah, gotta an illegal ribbon on there. Sue me...
Here's the list:
Army Aircraft Aviation Member Badge
Air Force Maintenance Badge
AF Achievement Medal
Outstanding Unit Award (AF)
AF Good Conduct Medal
Army Reserve Components Achievement Medal
National Defense Service Medal
War on Terrorism Service Medal
Korea Defense Service Medal
Military Outstanding Volunteer Service Medal
AF Overseas Ribbon Short Tour
AF Overseas Ribbon Long Tour
AF Longevity Service Award
AF NCO Proficiency Military Education Graduate Ribbon
Army Service Ribbon
AF Marksmanship Award Ribbon
AF Training Ribbon
Civil Air Patrol Commander's Award
Civil Air Patrol Unit Citation Award
Civil Air Patrol Gover Loening Award
Civil Air Patrol Leadership Award
Civil Air Patrol Membership Award
Civil Air Patrol Gen. Chuck Yeager Award
Civil Air Patrol Command Service Award
Civil Air Patrol Red Service Ribbon
Civil Air Patrol Encampment Ribbon
Civil Air Patrol Senior Recruiter Ribbon
Colorado NG State Emergency Service Ribbon
That rackbuilder put the Army Service ribbon in the wrong place, but oh well.....
(http://www.jacksonvillesquadron.org/images/cap_mil_ribbons.gif)
off the top of my head....
I guess I need to check the file.
Above:
CAP Observer Badge
CAP Master Ground Team Badge
Army Commander's Award for Public Service
Civil Air Patrol Meritorious Service Award
Civil Air Patrol Commander's Award
Civil Air Patrol Lifesaving Recognition Certificate
Civil Air Patrol Paul E. Garber Award
Civil Air Patrol Gover Loening Award
Civil Air Patrol Leadership Award
Civil Air Patrol Membership Award
Civil Air Patrol Gen. Chuck Yeager Award
Civil Air Patrol Command Service Award
Civil Air Patrol Red Service Ribbon
Civil Air Patrol Search Find Ribbon
Civil Air Patrol Search and Rescue Ribbon
Civil Air Patrol Disaster Relief Ribbon
Civil Air Patrol Cadet Special Activities Ribbon
Civil Air Patrol Encampment Ribbon
Civil Air Patrol Senior Recruiter Ribbon
CAP Paramedic Badge
O well. having problems saving the immage. will try again tomorrow when I get off of work
(http://www.inwg.org/Images/webrack.jpg)
CAP Pilot Badge
CAP Master Ground Team Badge
1. Civil Air Patrol Silver Medal of Valor
2. Civil Air Patrol Exceptional Service Award
3. Civil Air Patrol Meritorious Service Award
4. Civil Air Patrol Commander's Award
5. Civil Air Patrol Lifesaving Recognition Certificate
6. Civil Air Patrol Unit Citation Award
7. Civil Air Patrol Gill Robb Wilson Award
8. Civil Air Patrol Paul E. Garber Award
9. Civil Air Patrol Gover Loening Award
10. Civil Air Patrol Leadership Award
11. Civil Air Patrol Membership Award
12. Civil Air Patrol A. Scott Crossfield Award
13. Civil Air Patrol Gen. Chuck Yeager Award
14. Civil Air Patrol Ira C. Eaker Award
15. Civil Air Patrol Command Service Award
16. Civil Air Patrol Red Service Ribbon
17. Civil Air Patrol Search Find Ribbon
18. Civil Air Patrol Search and Rescue Ribbon
19. Civil Air Patrol Search and Rescue Ribbon
20. Civil Air Patrol Disaster Relief Ribbon
21. Civil Air Patrol Disaster Relief Ribbon
22. Civil Air Patrol lACE Ribbon
23. Civil Air Patrol Cadet Advisory Council Ribbon
24. Civil Air Patrol Encampment Ribbon
25. Civil Air Patrol Senior Recruiter Ribbon
All of this and it still takes $3.50 to get a cup of coffee at Starbucks ;D
If I knew how to post images...... The sad part is I'm younger than most of the people on CAPtalk so I should know this....
Quote from: markh on June 27, 2007, 01:50:43 AM
If I knew how to post images...... The sad part is I'm younger than most of the people on CAPtalk so I should know this....
''
Yeah, I'm clueless too. My rack above is missing 3 or so ribbons and my 9 or 10 combined military/CAP badges. Got a buddy working on a set now, maybe they'll be done by tomorrow.
Heres mine
Not much but here it is
(http://home.earthlink.net/~serfl432/myraq.gif)
Why am I getting a feeling that this thread is more about penis size?
Has anybody noticed that these rackbuilder programs put the Crossfield award before the Yeager in precedence ... when according to regs it's the other way around?
Jack
Quote from: ColonelJack on June 27, 2007, 09:36:25 AM
Has anybody noticed that these rackbuilder programs put the Crossfield award before the Yeager in precedence ... when according to regs it's the other way around?
Jack
Actually, the most recent reg (as far as I know), the 39-1, dated 23 march 2005, places the Crossfield at higher precedence than the Yeager. That makes sense, since it's more difficult to get the Crossfield, not to mention that you have to have the Yeager before you can get the master level in AE, the requirement for the Crossfield.
I stand corrected.
grumble ... grumble ... now I gotta re-do my rack ... grumble ... grumble ... and how do I fix my Ultra-Thin rack now ... grumble ... complain ... grumble
Jack
Quote from: mashcraft on June 27, 2007, 01:39:05 AM
(http://www.inwg.org/Images/webrack.jpg)
That is very impressive. I'm sure there is an interesting story behind the Silver Medal of Valor. Perhaps we can hear that in another thread...
One question though. I am not aware of any provision in CAPR 39-3 that allows the addition of triangular clasps to the
Disaster Relief Ribbon or the
Disaster Relief Ribbon With "V" Device.
I can imagine how clasps might be permitted on the one with the "V" device - for serving in multiple presidentially-declared disasters - but I haven't seen anything in writing allowing clasps to be worn. Could anyone give me a pointer to a reg? Or is the poster wearing them in error?
As for the regular DR ribbon - Seems to me this ribbon is an achievement, sort of like earning your Loening; you take a bunch of courses and serve at several DR missions or DREVALs. So how could it possibly have clasps added to it?
(Please don't tell me you've decided on your own that every additional 5 DREVALs merits a clasp? :-[ )
Quote from: davedove on June 27, 2007, 11:25:15 AM
Quote from: ColonelJack on June 27, 2007, 09:36:25 AM
Has anybody noticed that these rackbuilder programs put the Crossfield award before the Yeager in precedence ... when according to regs it's the other way around?
Actually, the most recent reg (as far as I know), the 39-1, dated 23 march 2005, places the Crossfield at higher precedence than the Yeager. That makes sense, since it's more difficult to get the Crossfield, not to mention that you have to have the Yeager before you can get the master level in AE, the requirement for the Crossfield.
Good call by davedove. The Crossfield takes at least a year to earn, whereas the Yeager can be accomplished in an hour or two.
The precedence was published in error (in both CAPM 39-1 and CAPR 39-3) when the Crossfield first came out in 1998. The error was quickly corrected by a policy letter from the Aerospace Education department, but was not corrected in M39-1 until the current version came out on 23 Mar 05.
Amazingly, it's now 9 years after the mistake was found, and since CAPR 39-3 has not been reissued, it
still lists the old (incorrect) order of precedence. Jack, that ought to make you feel better... when you put your Yeager ribbon before your Crossfield ribbon, you were following a valid reg! :)
Quote from: 2d Lt <NOT SO> Fat but FUZZY on June 27, 2007, 09:01:54 AM
Why am I getting a feeling that this thread is more about penis size?
Dangit! I hate those, I always lose. :-\
I don't feel like taking the time to figure out how to post my ribbons, but now that I can wear "all, some or none" again, here's what I'll be wearing:
-highest cadet achievement ribbon (with silver star)
-International Air Cadet Exchange
-Cadet Advisory Council (with silver star)
-National Cadet Special Activities (with two bronze clasps)
-Encampment (with one silver clasp)
yay! for only wearing five ribbons again for the first time since I was a C/SSgt. :)
- Unit Ciatation Award - NER 9/11
- Leadership Ribbon
- Membership Ribbon
- General Chuck Yeager Award
- Earhart Award
- Red Service w/ bronze clasp - Should rate second clasp at the end of the summer
- Search & Rescue "Find"
- Search & Rescue
- Cadet Advisory Council w/ bronze star - Not actually on my rack yet
- Encampment w/ bronze clasp
No Coast Guard Auxilary awards yet. My trops are pretty bare, and earning some means just one more thing I have to align 1/4 of an inch above the pocket.
Something Like this.....
OK..I dont know what I'm doing...I tried to post the "Marine Corps Medals" attachement....who knows.
Since Photo bucket is blocked at work, and my dial up moves at a snails pace, I attached miine as a .pdf
Quote from: mdickinson on June 27, 2007, 12:33:33 PM
One question though. I am not aware of any provision in CAPR 39-3 that allows the addition of triangular clasps to the Disaster Relief Ribbon or the Disaster Relief Ribbon With "V" Device.
I can imagine how clasps might be permitted on the one with the "V" device - for serving in multiple presidentially-declared disasters - but I haven't seen anything in writing allowing clasps to be worn. Could anyone give me a pointer to a reg? Or is the poster wearing them in error?
As for the regular DR ribbon - Seems to me this ribbon is an achievement, sort of like earning your Loening; you take a bunch of courses and serve at several DR missions or DREVALs. So how could it possibly have clasps added to it?
(Please don't tell me you've decided on your own that every additional 5 DREVALs merits a clasp? :-[ )
Currently I do not wear the second CD ribbon. I was under the same impression that you were on the wear. I found out that I was approved for the SMV and I decided I need to update my rack. I was on the NHQ web site (http://level2.cap.gov/index.cfm?nodeID=5172) and found a link to a rack builder program (http://dafab.no-ip.info/CAPCode/CAPRibbons.htm). It was there that I figured out that it is possible to have clasp on the DR ribbon. The reg is not cut and dry but if you look at it real close this is what it says:
CAPR 39-3, Section A, Paragraph 6b says:
Repetitive Awards: Subsequent awards of the same decoration or ribbon are denoted by the CAP bronze clasp, worn on the ribbon of the original award. A CAP silver clasp is equivalent to, and is worn in the place of, five bronze claps.
also the criteria for the award is:
CAPR 39-3, Section F, Paragraph f:
f. Disaster Relief Ribbon. Awarded for participation in five actual/evaluated disaster relief missions and completion of two of the following requirements:
You can look up the requirements.
After seeing the question on the clasp on the rack builder program I saw that it was possible to have clasp on the DR ribbon, the criteria for multiple awards is the participation in the 5 actual/evaluated DR missions. I have 30 over the years.
If you want to dispute it, then NHQ needs to change the rack builder program they endorse by providing the link.
There you have it.
Tags - MIKE
Quote from: ColonelJack on June 27, 2007, 12:02:56 PM
... and how do I fix my Ultra-Thin rack now ...
The only way I can think of is to pick up the phone, dial some numbers, and when they answer, say, "Hello, Ultrathin ribbons? I'd like to make an order, please."
Other than that, there's really no easy way.
Small but growing!
(http://members.cox.net/tdhenderson1/buckpic.jpg)
Quote
After seeing the question on the clasp on the rack builder program I saw that it was possible to have clasp on the DR ribbon, the criteria for multiple awards is the participation in the 5 actual/evaluated DR missions. I have 30 over the years.
If you want to dispute it, then NHQ needs to change the rack builder program they endorse by providing the link.
I don't disagree with you about changing the builder, sir. That same builder will allow you to wear multiple Davis Ribbons with stars on all of them, when I know for a fact that you are only authorized a maximum of 3 silver stars for 3 master ratings. I find that the McChord builder is lot more accurate / reliable. Just my .02.
Quote from: 2d Lt <NOT SO> Fat but FUZZY on June 27, 2007, 09:01:54 AM
Why am I getting a feeling that this thread is more about penis size?
hmmm maybe cause that's all you're thinking about perhaps?
Quote from: mashcraft
[picture of rack containing a DR ribbon with a triangular clasp on it]
Quote from: mdickinson on June 27, 2007, 12:33:33 PM
I am not aware of any provision in CAPR 39-3 that allows the addition of triangular clasps to the Disaster Relief Ribbon
Seems to me this ribbon is an achievement, sort of like earning your Loening; you take a bunch of courses and serve at several DR missions or DREVALs. So how could it possibly have clasps added to it?
(Please don't tell me you've decided on your own that every additional 5 DR missions merits a clasp? :-[ )
Quote from: mashcraft on June 27, 2007, 10:51:48 PM
Currently I do not wear the second CD ribbon. I was under the same impression that you were on the wear. I found out that I was approved for the SMV and I decided I need to update my rack. I was on the NHQ web site (http://level2.cap.gov/index.cfm?nodeID=5172) and found a link to a rack builder program (http://dafab.no-ip.info/CAPCode/CAPRibbons.htm). It was there that I figured out that it is possible to have clasp on the DR ribbon. The reg is not cut and dry but if you look at it real close this is what it says:
CAPR 39-3, Section A, Paragraph 6b says:
Repetitive Awards: Subsequent awards of the same decoration or ribbon are denoted by the CAP bronze clasp, worn on the ribbon of the original award. A CAP silver clasp is equivalent to, and is worn in the place of, five bronze claps.
and CAPR 39-3 paragraph 21.f says the criteria for the award is:
[requirements moved to reply, below]
After seeing [...] on the rack builder program [...] that it was possible to have clasps on the DR ribbon, the criteria for multiple awards is the participation in the 5 actual/evaluated DR missions. I have 30 over the years.
If you want to dispute it, then NHQ needs to change the rack builder program they endorse by providing the link.
First of all, congrats on the SMV, the Exceptional Service, and others. You've clearly given a great deal to the organization and I salute you for it!
1. Regarding your last point, which I would rephrase as "the CAP Knowledgebase gave a link to a ribbon checker, therefore any combination of ribbons and clasps that is possible on that ribbon checker must be valid":
Given what I know of the level of scrutiny given by national HQ to the Knowledgebase answers, I feel confident in saying that when they provided a link to a ribbon checker, they were trying to be helpful - they didn't mean to say "we endorse this ribbon checker; we have stress-tested it in every way, and we hereby authorize the wear of any ribbon/clasp combination that this ribbon checker will allow you to make appear on your screen."
2. Regarding the paragraph in CAPR 39-3 that says "
Repetitive Awards: Subsequent awards of the same decoration or ribbon are denoted by the CAP bronze clasp":I believe the first two words of that paragraph mean the paragraph is referring
only to awards that can be earned more than once. I don't think this paragraph means that any award can be earned more than once.
If that were the case, I could retake the "Level I CAP Orientation Course" and then add a bronze clasp to my Membership Ribbon, since "I've completed the requirements twice!"
3. Regarding your opinion that the Disaster Relief Ribbon can be earned multiple times:
Unlike many of the the other ribbon requirement descriptions in 39-3, this one one doesn't say "add clasps for multiple awards." It gives the requirement to earn the award as
"Participation in five actual/evaluated disaster relief missions and completion of two of the following requirements:
(1) All of the following Red Cross courses: Introduction to Disaster Services, Disaster Damage Assessment, and Shelter Management
(2) The Red Cross course "Damage Assessment Supervision in Disaster"
(3) The Red Cross course "CPR and Advanced First Aid"
(4) Radiological Monitoring for Instructors
(5) Radiological Defense Officer Course
(6) Airborne Radiological Monitoring Course
(7) Participation in other equivalent disaster relief activities totaling at least 40 hours of activity certified by disaster relief agency. This could include any training similar to the above courses and/or actual mission activity (in addition to the five required missions).So after seeing that a ribbon checker lets you add clasps, you figured you can add a clasp each time you participate in another five DR missions or DREVALs. Do you also have to accomplish another two of the seven requirements each time you add a clasp?
I can't say for sure which of us is right. It's definitely not clear from 39-3...
Perhaps someone should put the question to the Knowledgebase and see.
4. While we're on the subject, here are two more DR Ribbon questions that are not answered by any of the regulations:
a. Can a member wear both the DR ribbon and the DR ribbon With "V" device? (I think they can, but that's based only an answer I saw in the Knowledgebase a year ago - which is no longer there - not on anything I read in a regulation.)
b. If a member wears both the DR ribbon and the DR ribbon With "V" Device, which comes first? Neither 39-3 or 39-1 mention the V-device version in their ribbon precedence charts. The only clue I have is that in 39-3 paragraph 21, the ribbons seem to be listed in precedence order, and the regular DR ribbon is mentioned first. But that's just guessing. Anyone have an answer?
Inquiring minds want to know! (especially before they lay down $$$ for an ultra-thin rack! :) )
Quote from: ColonelJack on June 27, 2007, 12:02:56 PM
... and how do I fix my Ultra-Thin rack now ...
Quote from: ultrathin
Rebuild, Repair or New?
We at UltraThin realize that new ribbons and medals can be an expensive proposition with the number of decorations that individuals receive and the frequency of new awards. Even with our reasonable prices these changes can amount to a fair amount of cash outlay over the period of a few months.
Because of this we offer, where possible, the ability to modify or repair current ribbon and medal sets. Obviously there are times when this is just impossible due to the age or condition of the set.
http://www.ultrathin.com/rebuild.htm
Here's my cadet 'fruit salad':
CAP Solo Wings
Commander's Commendation Medal (x2)
Unit Citation Medal
Amelia Earhart Award Medal
Gen Billy Mitchell Award Medal with Silver Star
Dr Robert Goddard Achievement Ribbon
Gen Jimmy Doolittle Achievement Ribbon
Charles Lindbergh Achievement Ribbon
Capt Eddie Rickenbacker Achievement Ribbon
Wright Brothers Achievement Ribbon
Gen Hap Arnold Achievement Ribbon
Gen John F. Curry Achievement Ribbon
Air Force Association Outstanding CAP Squadron Cadet of the Year Award
Red Service Medal (x2)
Search Find Medal
Cadet Community Service Ribbon
CAC Ribbon with Bronze Star
National Cadet Special Activity Ribbon
Encampment Medal (x4)
Recruiter Ribbon (x2)
I would post a picture of the rack from http://medals.lava.pl/us/uschk.htm, but I don't know how. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
generate your "Rack," push the "print screen" option, save it to a file and send it to me.
I'll put it in my photobucket and then here for the world to see, and you to have.
jecarrales@yahoo.com
C/A1C Cody Benac
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Above:
CAP Ground Team Badge
Civil Air Patrol Unit Citation Award
Civil Air Patrol Gen. Hap Arnold Achievement Award
Civil Air Patrol Gen. John F Curry Achievement Award
Civil Air Patrol Encampment Ribbon
Problem is, common sense gets in the way of regulation interpretation.
Other than the reg-nebulous entry in the Knowledgebase that I also remember seeing, I think the answer lies in the reg - by the simple fact that para 21.f. talks about the Disaster Relief Ribbon, while 21.g. refers talks about the Disaster Relief Ribbon with "V" Device, and every other lettered paragraph talks about a different service ribbon. Therefore it logically follows that they are two different ribbons.
As for precedence, I'd agree that the layout of CAPR 39-3 indicates to me that the DR w/"V" is a lower precedence than the stock DR ribbon, though the Knowledgebase article says that it's just the exact opposite. Common sense tellse me that the DR w/"V" should be a higher precedence award.
Take FWIW
Quote from: mdickinson on June 28, 2007, 02:36:30 AM
4. While we're on the subject, here are two more DR Ribbon questions that are not answered by any of the regulations:
a. Can a member wear both the DR ribbon and the DR ribbon With "V" device? (I think they can, but that's based only an answer I saw in the Knowledgebase a year ago - which is no longer there - not on anything I read in a regulation.)
b. If a member wears both the DR ribbon and the DR ribbon With "V" Device, which comes first? Neither 39-3 or 39-1 mention the V-device version in their ribbon precedence charts. The only clue I have is that in 39-3 paragraph 21, the ribbons seem to be listed in precedence order, and the regular DR ribbon is mentioned first. But that's just guessing. Anyone have an answer?
Inquiring minds want to know! (especially before they lay down $$$ for an ultra-thin rack! :) )
couldn't get it
Quote from: ctrossen on June 28, 2007, 08:09:49 PM
Problem is, common sense gets in the way of regulation interpretation.
As for precedence, I'd agree that the layout of CAPR 39-3 indicates to me that the DR w/"V" is a lower precedence than the stock DR ribbon, though the Knowledgebase article says that it's just the exact opposite. Common sense tellse me that the DR w/"V" should be a higher precedence award.
Our wing Personnel Officer's opinion was that the DR was higher because it was harder to get. You only need to show up on a disaster to get the DR w/ V, it takes some work to get the DR itself. As an example, in the time it took me to qual for the DR, I participated in 8 federal disaster responses. The only reason I don't wear them all is that as Personnel Officer, I'd feel kind of funny submitting myself for that much salad dressing.
Quote from: floridacyclist on June 29, 2007, 10:30:27 AM
...You only need to show up on a disaster to DR w/ V...
um...
Quote from: floridacyclist on June 29, 2007, 10:30:27 AM
...You only need to show up on a disaster to DR w/ V...
um...that's somewhat of a gross generalization, wouldn't you say?
It denotes participation in an >actual< operation versus book learnin' and classroom work. That people abuse it by denoting a higher level of involvement is no different than people who fudge their history in
wars and receive decorations.
I would say anything which denotes actual participation versus training shoud be a higher precedence.
And personnel officer or no, if you earned it, you should get it, have someone else submit it for you if you're hinky about that.
Quote from: floridacyclist on June 29, 2007, 10:30:27 AM
The only reason I don't wear them all is that as Personnel Officer, I'd feel kind of funny submitting myself for that much salad dressing.
If you earn it, then submit for it. You would only be shirking your duty as a Personnel Officer,
if you're not writing up decs for the other people that are earning it. You are a member of the unit just like they are. I've submitted my own stuff, but usually, it was in the same stack of paperwork that everyone else was getting theirs too.
On the flip side, people may wonder why you're not getting it. "He's the Personnel guy, how come he isn't getting the same stuff as everyone else? He knows how to write the stuff up."
Quote from: Hawk200 on June 29, 2007, 04:23:55 PM
On the flip side, people may wonder why you're not getting it. "He's the Personnel guy, how come he isn't getting the same stuff as everyone else? He knows how to write the stuff up."
An excellent comment, same goes for progression of unit commanders, etc...
Quote from: Eclipse on June 29, 2007, 03:53:33 PM
Quote from: floridacyclist on June 29, 2007, 10:30:27 AM
...You only need to show up on a disaster to get the DR w/ V...
um...that's somewhat of a gross generalization, wouldn't you say?
It denotes participation in an >actual< operation versus book learnin' and classroom work.
And personnel officer or no, if you earned it, you should get it, have someone else submit it for you if you're hinky about that.
I agree with you in principle..it SHOULD count for more...but I also see Maj Levitch's point that signing in and working as a runner or relaying a message on a radio net is sufficient to be awarded a DR/V. I think that in the real world the DR/V counts for more, but I also see why she might say that the plain ol DR can be a lor harder to earn.
As for having someone else put it in, nobody else around here seems to be able to do things like that...which is why I'm the Personnel Officer...and the Public Affairs Officer....oh yeah, and they just made me the ES Officer too, plus the Deputy Group Commander called me the other day asking me if I'd ever heard of a program called GSAR and asking if I could put together a 6mos training program based on it.
For gits and shiggles... ;)
What the heck is this?
Which "this" are you talking about?
The silver S on my Mitchell ribbon and the fact that my "wings" (I know, they're just pre-solos) are below my ground team badge.
Which checker did you use?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/TwilightElf/ribbons.jpg)
there ya go. Im very proud of them!
Quote from: k4t13k4t on July 02, 2007, 01:27:01 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/TwilightElf/ribbons.jpg)
there ya go. Im very proud of them!
You should be proud of those... not many C/SSgts have accomplished enough to earn the AFA COY Award and a clasp on the encampment ribbon.
Keep up the good work. :)
Quote from: Briski on July 02, 2007, 01:40:14 AM
Quote from: k4t13k4t on July 02, 2007, 01:27:01 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/TwilightElf/ribbons.jpg)
there ya go. Im very proud of them!
You should be proud of those... not many C/SSgts have accomplished enough to earn the AFA COY Award and a clasp on the encampment ribbon.
Keep up the good work. :)
well encampment in MD is really big. This will be my third year going. 05 was my basic last year we started something called NCOA( Non-Commissioned Officer Academy) which is held at the same base. We did enough to earn the clasp. Then this year im going as Staff. Admin OIC
and truthfully I don't know how I got the AFA. But I guess I had to do something.
I never got the Cadet Recruiter Ribbon WIWAC, and I'm pretty sure I could have been credited with recruiting two of my friends from school.
Quote from: MIKE on July 02, 2007, 01:47:47 AM
I never got the Cadet Recruiter Ribbon WIWAC, and I'm pretty sure I could have been credited with recruiting two of my friends from school.
Your name has to be on their Membership form. and then you turn in the Form 2A and just buy the ribbon
Quote from: k4t13k4t on July 02, 2007, 02:13:14 AM
Quote from: MIKE on July 02, 2007, 01:47:47 AM
I never got the Cadet Recruiter Ribbon WIWAC, and I'm pretty sure I could have been credited with recruiting two of my friends from school.
Your name has to be on their Membership form. and then you turn in the Form 2A and just buy the ribbon
I'm pretty sure he knows ;)
Quote from: markh on July 02, 2007, 02:14:26 AM
Quote from: k4t13k4t on July 02, 2007, 02:13:14 AM
Quote from: MIKE on July 02, 2007, 01:47:47 AM
I never got the Cadet Recruiter Ribbon WIWAC, and I'm pretty sure I could have been credited with recruiting two of my friends from school.
Your name has to be on their Membership form. and then you turn in the Form 2A and just buy the ribbon
I'm pretty sure he knows ;)
lol I know but you never know....He made it seem as if he didn't get it because he didn't know. but yeah w/e >.<
(http://jcolgan004.googlepages.com/ribbons.png)
Yay! PRETTY COLORS AND SHINY!
(http://www.medals.lava.pl/us/uschk.php)
Quote from: Jolt on July 01, 2007, 11:12:48 PM
The silver S on my Mitchell ribbon and the fact that my "wings" (I know, they're just pre-solos) are below my ground team badge.
Well, to get a silver star on your Mitchell, type a 6 in the box. Dunno how to swap the badges. They appear in listed order.
Me
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a340/Gorfour20/rackage.jpg)
Quote from: Gorfour20 on July 03, 2007, 05:32:41 AM
Me
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a340/Gorfour20/rackage.jpg)
Oh wow. First I find Crockett on this site now I find the guy you fights the forces of evil. I didn't know i new so many people on here. I just found this site looking for my squadrons homepage on Google. lol
Im hoping to get my GT badge soon.
It took me a second to realize what you meant by fighting the forces of evil. But yes, I do that everyday!
lol wow..
Quote from: SarDragon on July 03, 2007, 05:20:34 AM
Quote from: Jolt on July 01, 2007, 11:12:48 PM
The silver S on my Mitchell ribbon and the fact that my "wings" (I know, they're just pre-solos) are below my ground team badge.
Well, to get a silver star on your Mitchell, type a 6 in the box. Dunno how to swap the badges. They appear in listed order.
Thanks!
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa229/jaybird512/myribbons.jpg)
:)
Here are mine......(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x26/dromere/ribbonrack1.jpg?t=1183837358)
Finally got it figured out....
...
Does my EMT badge or my Ground Team Leader badge go on top?
Capt. Lord
You aren't supposed to wear both. You have to pick one.
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z132/SSgtSavage/completerack.jpg?t=1183911418)
I almost didn't reply. Seems a little pretentious. I got over it.
Quote from: MIKE on July 08, 2007, 02:53:03 PM
You aren't supposed to wear both. You have to pick one.
Really? It says that in a reg somewhere? That doesn't make sense.
I would wear my GTM over my EMT badge.
It's all in how it's worded.
As I am not a computer genius and as I dont have photoshop I ll just list what I have.
Ground Team Badge
EMT Badge
Leadership (with bronze star)
Membership
Yeager
Rickenbacker (from my cadet days)
Red Service Ribbon -with clasp- (5 years)
Encampment Ribbon (with clasp)
Senior Recruiter Ribbon
* Note: I did say EMT badge. There are actually three. The basic for Basics, the star is intended for Intermediates and the Master badge
(star n' wreath) is for paramedics. And yes, I checked with Vanguard and Maxwell before I ordered it.
Just an FYI to everyone.
Since I'm not a computer wiz, I'll just list them:
Encampment ribbon (3 Clasps)
Cadet Community Service
Red Service (1 Clasp, 5 years)
Curry Through Earhart (excluding Feik award)
Mitchell 52766
Earhart 13735 IIRC
Quote from: MIKE on July 08, 2007, 02:53:03 PM
You aren't supposed to wear both. You have to pick one.
I can't find any clear regulatory guidance on this (surprise! CAP is unclear on regs!) In this thread you will see numerous comnputer graphics showing mutliple metal blingage, so I am pretty sure that you can wear both an EMT "Star of Life" badge ( hey, when I got mine, that was the only badge...) and an ES rating badge. Do you want to tell el generalissimo that he can't wear more than one set of wings?
Capt. Lord
Dam Sgt Savage! You don't see many CIB's in CAP!
Capt. Lord
Quote from: CaptLord on July 09, 2007, 01:08:11 AMI can't find any clear regulatory guidance on this (surprise! CAP is unclear on regs!) In this thread you will see numerous comnputer graphics showing mutliple metal blingage, so I am pretty sure that you can wear both an EMT "Star of Life" badge ( hey, when I got mine, that was the only badge...) and an ES rating badge. Do you want to tell el generalissimo that he can't wear more than one set of wings?
Doesn't say you can, therefore you cannot. It is very clear.
Okay, I went back in time and did it the old fashioned way, I took a picture of all my crap, some of which is still missing, especially a lot of the little stars and oakleafs for ribbons. Should have a 20 on my Red Service Ribbon too...
(http://www.jacksonvillesquadron.org/images/complete_rack.jpg)
Click here for larger image (http://www.jacksonvillesquadron.org/images/complete_rack.jpg)
Quote from: Sgt. Savage on July 08, 2007, 04:49:12 PM
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z132/SSgtSavage/completerack.jpg?t=1183911418)
I almost didn't reply. Seems a little pretentious. I got over it.
Sarge- on what type of occasion, if any, do you wear all of those. You certainly are well decorated. Dont see those much in CAP. I know it sounds corny, but thank you for your service to our country.
Quote from: MIKE on July 09, 2007, 01:35:40 AM
Quote from: CaptLord on July 09, 2007, 01:08:11 AMI can't find any clear regulatory guidance on this (surprise! CAP is unclear on regs!) In this thread you will see numerous comnputer graphics showing mutliple metal blingage, so I am pretty sure that you can wear both an EMT "Star of Life" badge ( hey, when I got mine, that was the only badge...) and an ES rating badge. Do you want to tell el generalissimo that he can't wear more than one set of wings?
Doesn't say you can, therefore you cannot. It is very clear.
Here is what the regs say: " A maximum of four earned badges may be worn on all blue service uniforms. A maximum of two badges are worn on the left side of the uniform above ribbons, or welt of pocket if ribbons are not worn"
Bringing me back to my first question: EMT or GTL first in order of precedence?
Capt. Lord
( From 39-1 Notes below table 6-2, page 109)
In the Army, there are "classes" of badges. Like the CIB is a higher class than Jump Wings, so the CIB is worn on top. Jump Wings and the Air Assault Badge are the same, so it's up to the wearer as to which one goes on top. I'd say the GTM and EMT badge are equivelant, so without precise guidance, I'd wear them how want. Like I said, when I wore my GTM and EMT badge, I wore the GTM on top since it had the star and wreath. If I had the basic GTM badge, I don't it would matter to me.
Quote from: CaptLord on July 09, 2007, 02:19:49 AM
Here is what the regs say: " A maximum of four earned badges may be worn on all blue service uniforms. A maximum of two badges are worn on the left side of the uniform above ribbons, or welt of pocket if ribbons are not worn"
Bringing me back to my first question: EMT or GTL first in order of precedence?
... (From 39-1 Notes below table 6-2, page 109)
You're not reading the tables. I will not take this topic off topic any further. If you want me to explain in detail, start a new one.
Quote from: SARMedTech on July 09, 2007, 01:58:34 AM
Sarge- on what type of occasion, if any, do you wear all of those. You certainly are well decorated. Dont see those much in CAP. I know it sounds corny, but thank you for your service to our country.
Your welcome!
I can never wear them all at the same time. Realistically, the CIB replaces the EIB anyway. I stick to wearing my GT, Senior Parachutist, and Usually Air Assault. I've never been real comfortable wearing the CIB.... reminds me of what I went through to get it.
I can certainly understand that. An impressive rack nonetheless. Bravo Zulu!
I am quite proud of this, since I have no prior RM service and I have been a member since only last summer.
Here is my fruit salad.
Looking to joining CAP here shortly ;D
Quote from: Hobbsh1 on July 21, 2007, 01:20:17 AM
Here is my fruit salad.
Looking to joining CAP here shortly ;D
Hmmm, you seem to have many of the trappings of one of them Navy boys....
Welcome aboard, sailor.
Quote from: Hawk200 on July 21, 2007, 04:39:13 AM
Quote from: Hobbsh1 on July 21, 2007, 01:20:17 AM
Here is my fruit salad.
Looking to joining CAP here shortly ;D
Hmmm, you seem to have many of the trappings of one of them Navy boys....
Welcome aboard, sailor.
Yep, a little over 7 yrs and through Desert Sheild/Storm/Southern Watch, not to mention Restore Hope off Somalia. Thanks for the welcome :D
Quote from: Hobbsh1 on July 21, 2007, 04:51:49 AM
Quote from: Hawk200 on July 21, 2007, 04:39:13 AM
Quote from: Hobbsh1 on July 21, 2007, 01:20:17 AM
Here is my fruit salad.
Looking to joining CAP here shortly ;D
Hmmm, you seem to have many of the trappings of one of them Navy boys....
Welcome aboard, sailor.
Yep, a little over 7 yrs and through Desert Sheild/Storm/Southern Watch, not to mention Restore Hope off Somalia. Thanks for the welcome :D
Did you ever have any contact with either the Boxer or the Mercy? My brother in law was stationed on both during much of the same time you served.
Quote from: Hobbsh1 on July 21, 2007, 01:20:17 AM
Here is my fruit salad.
Looking to joining CAP here shortly ;D
Welcome aboard. What did you do in the Canoe Club? Airdale? Surface? Bubblehead?
Quote from: Hawk200 on July 21, 2007, 04:39:13 AM
Quote from: Hobbsh1 on July 21, 2007, 01:20:17 AM
Here is my fruit salad.
Looking to joining CAP here shortly ;D
Hmmm, you seem to have many of the trappings of one of them Navy boys....
Welcome aboard, sailor.
Navy? Whats a Navy? ;) I kid. I love you guys. My dads side of the family are all squids. Welcome aboard!
Quote from: SARMedTech on July 21, 2007, 05:33:18 AM
Did you ever have any contact with either the Boxer or the Mercy? My brother in law was stationed on both during much of the same time you served.
No, fortunately I didn't get injured to have to make trip to the Mercy, and I don't think the Boxer was in our Battle Group, I was deployed with HS-14 on the carrier USS Ranger
Quote from: SARMedTech on July 21, 2007, 10:50:27 AM
Navy? Whats a Navy? ;) I kid. I love you guys. My dads side of the family are all squids. Welcome aboard!
Thanks :)
Quote from: SarDragon on July 21, 2007, 08:30:09 AM
Quote from: Hobbsh1 on July 21, 2007, 01:20:17 AM
Here is my fruit salad.
Looking to joining CAP here shortly ;D
Welcome aboard. What did you do in the Canoe Club? Airdale? Surface? Bubblehead?
Rotorhead, Worked on CH-53E and SH-3A,G,H for 4 yrs, then SH-3H, SH-60F and HH-60H as an airframer or more commonly called "metal mauler" >:D
Quote from: Stonewall on July 09, 2007, 01:51:17 AM
Okay, I went back in time and did it the old fashioned way, I took a picture of all my crap, some of which is still missing, especially a lot of the little stars and oakleafs for ribbons. Should have a 20 on my Red Service Ribbon too...
(http://www.jacksonvillesquadron.org/images/complete_rack.jpg)
Click here for larger image (http://www.jacksonvillesquadron.org/images/complete_rack.jpg)
Wow...these rendered beautifully.
Quote from: Hobbsh1 on July 21, 2007, 12:22:15 PM
Rotorhead, Worked on CH-53E and SH-3A,G,H for 4 yrs, then SH-3H, SH-60F and HH-60H as an airframer or more commonly called "metal mauler" >:D
A helicopter man. I just got out of Blackhawk mechanic school a month ago. Start some aircrew training next month. I think I've learned enough to know that I don't know anything. Helicopters are remarkably simple and complex at the same time.
Wow, Major Carrales, I do believe I see a Security Police Shield and qualification badge in all that there metal. Looks good. Were you Security or LE? I held a seven level in both. I retired after a total of 22 years (6 active and 16 reserve/ANG) and it wasn't fun any more.
I enjoy your postings.
Hey, Olde Fart, straighten the coke bottles. ;) That's Stonewall's rack that Sparky is complimenting. :o
Quote from: Grumpy on July 21, 2007, 07:35:49 PM
Wow, Major Carrales, I do believe I see a Security Police Shield and qualification badge in all that there metal. Looks good. Were you Security or LE? I held a seven level in both. I retired after a total of 22 years (6 active and 16 reserve/ANG) and it wasn't fun any more.
I enjoy your postings.
Thank you, but the "rack" was not mine; but rather Stonewalls. I was commenting on how well it rendered in the thumbnail.
Thank you for your service...I am somewhat embarrassed, albeit honored, that you would attribute these awards to me; but I must fess up to them not being mine.
Again, thanks for the compliment.
Quote from: SarDragon on July 21, 2007, 08:05:08 PM
Hey, Olde Fart, straighten the coke bottles. ;) That's Stonewall's rack that Sparky is complimenting. :o
Oops. How'd you know I wasn't wearing my "tri-focs". :)
Recently returned to CAP following a number of years in the Active Army.
[darn] Ragner, You may need to go 4 wide to wear all of that. You know a guys been somewhere... not by how many ribbons he has but by the number of stars on the National Defense Service Madal. I know a lot of guys and I've never seen 2 until now. Thank you for your service, Ranger.
The next question is, when are you going to get your GT done? A man with your skills would be a great GTL.
SGT Savage -- I'll sort out the final configuration for the rack and choices among the staff service and specialty skill badges I'm authorized, when I break down and purchase a service dress coat. Since becoming active once again in CAP, I have have not seen a need to make the purchase.
It is unlikely that I'll seek to reestablish qualifications on the ground side. Rather, I went over to the dark side and have focused on air operations and IC staff responsibilities. While I have used my experience to assist my squadron in standing up a GT, having served as an infantryman for 32 years, rucking-up has lost its alure. Rather, I'm working to complete final training requirements for IC3.
Thanks for your acknowledgement of prior service. -- Regards
Quote from: Grumpy on July 21, 2007, 07:35:49 PM
Wow, Major Carrales, I do believe I see a Security Police Shield and qualification badge in all that there metal. Looks good. Were you Security or LE? I held a seven level in both. I retired after a total of 22 years (6 active and 16 reserve/ANG) and it wasn't fun any more.
I enjoy your postings.
I'm prior Army turned ANG Security Police. Only hold a 3-level right now, hoping to have 5-level in minimum allowed time.
Quote from: Stonewall on July 23, 2007, 01:43:13 AM
I'm prior Army turned ANG Security Police. Only hold a 3-level right now, hoping to have 5-level in minimum allowed time.
Shouldn't take you long, but get the CDC's done as fast as humanly possible. And whatever you do, don't let them expire! All kinds of fun when that happens.
Quote from: Sgt. Savage on July 22, 2007, 12:16:41 PM
[darn] ...by the number of stars on the National Defense Service Madal. I know a lot of guys and I've never seen 2 until now.
I've got two on mine, but I'm not sure it's valid. Finished up an Army school last month, got my Aviation Badge, and they added Army Service, and another award of the NDSM (already had one with a star). I'm still looking into it.
I'm also wondering how many stars it's possible to get on that medal.
Quote from: Hawk200 on July 23, 2007, 04:16:05 AM
Quote from: Sgt. Savage on July 22, 2007, 12:16:41 PM
[darn] ...by the number of stars on the National Defense Service Madal. I know a lot of guys and I've never seen 2 until now.
I've got two on mine, but I'm not sure it's valid. Finished up an Army school last month, got my Aviation Badge, and they added Army Service, and another award of the NDSM (already had one with a star). I'm still looking into it.
I'm also wondering how many stars it's possible to get on that medal.
It looks like three (four awards)... If you could physically do it:
"3. Criteria: a. The National Defense Service Medal was awarded for honorable active service for any period between 27 June 1950 and 27 July 1954; between 1 January 1961 and 14 August 1974; between 2 August 1990 and 30 November 1995 and between 11 September 2001 and a closing date to be determined..."
"c. To signify receipt of a second or subsequent award of the NDSM, a bronze service star will be worn on the service ribbon by U.S. Army personnel so qualified. Second or third award of the NDSM is authorized for soldiers who served in one or more of the four qualifying time periods. It is not authorized for soldiers who met the criteria in one time period, left active duty and returned during the same period of eligibility."
Quote from: jaybird512 on July 23, 2007, 04:26:09 AMIt looks like three (four awards)... If you could physically do it:
"3. Criteria: a. The National Defense Service Medal was awarded for honorable active service for any period between 27 June 1950 and 27 July 1954; between 1 January 1961 and 14 August 1974; between 2 August 1990 and 30 November 1995 and between 11 September 2001 and a closing date to be determined..."
"c. To signify receipt of a second or subsequent award of the NDSM, a bronze service star will be worn on the service ribbon by U.S. Army personnel so qualified. Second or third award of the NDSM is authorized for soldiers who served in one or more of the four qualifying time periods. It is not authorized for soldiers who met the criteria in one time period, left active duty and returned during the same period of eligibility."
Three stars - highly doubtful any Korean War vets are currently on AD. Only high-ranking generals with 30+ years of service would probably have that amount, if they did time during Vietnam, GW1 and GWOT.
More common to see one or two service stars on the NDSM.
(I don't get one - I served in the 'gap' between Vietnam and GW1. And the DoD ain't budging on a Cold War Medal.)
Quote from: AlphaSigOU on July 23, 2007, 06:51:35 AM
Quote from: jaybird512 on July 23, 2007, 04:26:09 AMIt looks like three (four awards)... If you could physically do it:
"3. Criteria: a. The National Defense Service Medal was awarded for honorable active service for any period between 27 June 1950 and 27 July 1954; between 1 January 1961 and 14 August 1974; between 2 August 1990 and 30 November 1995 and between 11 September 2001 and a closing date to be determined..."
"c. To signify receipt of a second or subsequent award of the NDSM, a bronze service star will be worn on the service ribbon by U.S. Army personnel so qualified. Second or third award of the NDSM is authorized for soldiers who served in one or more of the four qualifying time periods. It is not authorized for soldiers who met the criteria in one time period, left active duty and returned during the same period of eligibility."
Three stars - highly doubtful any Korean War vets are currently on AD. Only high-ranking generals with 30+ years of service would probably have that amount, if they did time during Vietnam, GW1 and GWOT.
More common to see one or two service stars on the NDSM.
(I don't get one - I served in the 'gap' between Vietnam and GW1. And the DoD ain't budging on a Cold War Medal.)
It would be next to impossible to have three stars on the NDSM. The person would have to have served during all four of the qualifying periods: Korea for the initial medal, Vietnam for the first star, Desert Storm for the second, and GWOT for the third. MAYBE a retired serviceman who had originally served in Korea who keeps getting reactivated during times of conflict for some reason.
Even two stars would be rare. That person would have to have served during Vietnam, Desert Storm and GWOT. This is more likely, but still pretty rare.
I'm keeping optimistic about the Cold War Medal. The House has continually approved it for several years, but it hasn't made it through the Senate. It has made it through the House again this year. After the changes from the last election, maybe it will make it through the Senate this time. The DoD isn't really against the concept of the medal, they just hate that Congress is trying to make them do it. If it was DoD's idea, we would already have the medal.
You'll find a number of senior commissioned officers (COL >) and NCOs (SGM/CSMs) wearing two stars. Like me, they came in during the final year(s) of eligibility of the Vietnam era and hung in for 30+ years. I myself never witnessed anyone with three bronze stars.
Quote from: davedove on July 23, 2007, 12:28:54 PM
I'm keeping optimistic about the Cold War Medal. The House has continually approved it for several years, but it hasn't made it through the Senate. It has made it through the House again this year. After the changes from the last election, maybe it will make it through the Senate this time. The DoD isn't really against the concept of the medal, they just hate that Congress is trying to make them do it. If it was DoD's idea, we would already have the medal.
I already have mine -- unofficial, of course. It's the Foxfall version (shown here) and I think it looks more like a "real" award than the other designs out there.
(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/ColonelJack1701/coldwarmedal.jpg)
Jack
I finally figured it out.......
This has been quite a sucessful thread...considering, if memory serves, its a spin off of a thread that was eventually locked!!!
Keep 'em comin'
Quote from: Ranger75 on July 22, 2007, 12:09:35 AM
Recently returned to CAP following a number of years in the Active Army.
Thanks for your service, sir! Quite an impressive array of decorations, but one question immediately begs me to ask a question: What's the story behind the Officers-grade
Légion d'honneur? Quite an impressive decoration.
Perhaps not as impressive as appears at first glance. It is the Legion d'Honneur, but not from the Republic of France. Rather, it was awarded by the Republic of Congo (Brazzaville) in the name of the Congolese President by the Minister of Defense upon my departure from Congo. I served as the Defense and Army Attache for a number of years. Congo was one of three African tours. -- Thanks for your expression of appreciation for service. -- Regards
PUYALLUP Washington, July 30, 2007
MAN PLEADS GUILTY TO POSING AS MARINE CORPS CAPTAIN AND CHAPLAIN WEARING UNEARNED MEDALS OF VALOR
Conducted Weddings, Funerals and Other Events Illegally Wearing Uniform and Medals for Valor.
Reggie L. Buddle, 59, of Puyallup pleaded guilty in April to unlawful wearing of U.S. military medals and decorations (Misdemeanor). He told U.S. Magistrate Judge Kelly J. Arnold at his sentencing Monday that he was ashamed of his conduct.
Buddle posed as a Marine Corps captain in 2005 and 2006, wearing a uniform with medals intended as awards for extraordinary contribution to national defense and heroism in combat. He even gave the opening prayer for the Washington state Senate in 2006 and posed as a chaplain and reverend, including officiating at weddings and funerals of servicemen.
Buddle wasn't ordained, however Friedman has said the marriages he presided over would still be lawfully recognized.
The judge said Monday that Buddle would serve his community service tending graves at the Tahoma Military Cemetery in Kent.
I sure am Glad we don't have people in CAP who wear medals they have not earned
Sidenote: I don't want to throw any doubt on those of you who truely have earned a medal for valor, I was awarded mt 1st one at 19 and had many senior NCOs try to order me to take it off, if its on your DD 214 according to CAP Regs, your authorized.
I've enjoyed reading through this post! What a pleasure to read of others exploits!
Here is my rack:
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/jacklumanog/RACK.jpg)
Quote from: jacklumanog on August 02, 2007, 07:21:03 PM
I've enjoyed reading through this post! What a pleasure to read of others exploits!
Here is my rack:
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/jacklumanog/RACK.jpg)
Padre,
No 'Green Weenie' yet? (Unit Citation Award.) ;D
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g167/dcpacemaker/ribbonscopy.jpg)
I have to give the spings some love.
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Spwings! I still like the old pocket rocket and Space and Missiles badge better.
I totally agree.
What did you get that one for? $1.05 at the BX.
Quote from: LeoBurke on August 10, 2007, 01:47:49 AM
What did you get that one for? $1.05 at the BX.
Be nice.
My rack plus specialty track badges
I AM THE LAW![/Stallone] Do as I say, not as I do. 8)
Camas,
I'm not an expert on Vietnam service, but my dad has a few of the same ones you do. FYI, foreign awards, even in CAP, are the last to go on your rack. So technically they should be lower than your CAP ribbons.
For example, I have a NATO ribbon. That goes below my recruiter ribbon. That one ribbon, the white and green one, I believe is a foreign award. That should be your last ribbon.
UK, FYI: CAPM 39-1 Table 5-3. is your friend.
Quote from: Camas on August 10, 2007, 02:17:55 AM
My rack plus specialty track badges
And you're missing a silver star on your leadership ribbon...
Quote from: adamblank on August 10, 2007, 01:18:54 AM
I have to give the spings some love.
I have a question for ya. We have a guy in our squadron who is prior AF and had the missile badge w/ wreath. Are the new spings retroactive for those or would he have to be currently in to rate them? I ask because (please correct me if I'm wrong) the missile badges fall under the occupational badges that don't transfer over and he can't wear his. If he rates the new badge then he can wear that, right?
Quote from: MIKE on August 10, 2007, 02:50:12 AM
UK, FYI: CAPM 39-1 Table 5-3. is your friend.
Yeah, just looked at it, I'm right, right? You're just saying, that I have a friend in 39-1?
No, trying to get you to look again without calling you out.
No, it says foreign awards come last, I just looked at it. Call me out, I don't care. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. Ain't no thang.
Quote from: jaybird512 on August 10, 2007, 03:07:41 AM
I have a question for ya. We have a guy in our squadron who is prior AF and had the missile badge w/ wreath. Are the new spings retroactive for those or would he have to be currently in to rate them? I ask because (please correct me if I'm wrong) the missile badges fall under the occupational badges that don't transfer over and he can't wear his. If he rates the new badge then he can wear that, right?
Funny, but that one used to be allowed. And the older versions of 39-1 permitted it. Seems like the important stuff keeps getting dropped in favor of quantity when it comes to 39-1. Might be an answer on KnowledgeBase.
I do know that the new spece badge requires a different certification process. The new badge has a few seriously different requirements. I don't really know the contents of those courses, but I'm sure your member might be able to decipher the stuff in the file I've attached.
Okay, here we go.
In Table 5-2, which is decorations for Senior Members, the last one listed is Foreign Awards.
In Table 5-3, it says US Military Awards and Decorations. It doesn't specify foreign awards, but at the bottom it lists Foreign Service Medals as the last ones.
"Foreign Service Medals" are exactly that, foreign. The NATO medal is not a US Military Award or Decoration.
Too me, it's incorrect, foreign awards should come after "US" CAP awards, but that's my opinion.
I'm wrong. No worries. Was it that way before the latest 39-1?
Quote from: Stonewall on August 10, 2007, 03:51:25 AM
Too me, it's incorrect, foreign awards should come after "US" CAP awards, but that's my opinion.
I'm wrong. No worries. Was it that way before the latest 39-1?
You're not wrong. The previous renditions of 39-1 showed state decs below CAP awards, and foreign decs below state ones.
Well, I guess it's a good thing I never wore my military ribbons with my CAP ribbons after the new 39-1 was produced. Or I'd be in a lot of trouble. ::)
Quote from: Stonewall on August 10, 2007, 04:07:54 AM
Well, I guess it's a good thing I never wore my military ribbons with my CAP ribbons after the new 39-1 was produced. Or I'd be in a lot of trouble. ::)
I went the other way. Just wore my military ones. Already had the rank made up. ;D
Not that it is very interesting. I will give you the quick 411 on the spings and missile badge with the wreath or "toilet bowl" as the maintainers called it.
A while back 70s-80s. Missileers would get the missile without the wreath. Later, missileers earned the missile badge with the wreath or operations designator. The last installment was that after tech school for space and missiles 13S officers and 1C6 enlisted would earn the space badge. Missileers AFSC 13SXC would earn the missile badge with wreath after their first alert (missile duty). Now, 13S officers and 1C6 enlisted members do not get any badge when they graduate tech school! They have to give a briefing and become CSP or credentialed space professionals.
Now after that overwhelmingly not very useful story, the question at hand. The simple answer is no. Those who have not served in a 13SXC (missile billet) since 2001 are not grandfathered for the space wings. You will see folks with the missile with and without the wreath overwhelmingly in CAP. Sorry to waste about 2 minutes too much of your life but at least you have the answer!
Adam
Quote from: jaybird512 on August 10, 2007, 03:03:33 AM
And you're missing a silver star on your leadership ribbon...
True enough but I haven't figured out how to superimpose it on the graphic so that's why it doesn't show. I do wear it though it's really an option. I also wear a clasp on both the encampment and red service ribbon.
Quote from: Stonewall on August 10, 2007, 02:43:48 AM
foreign awards are the last to go on your rack. So technically they should be lower than your CAP ribbons.
I'm not so sure about that. The VN campaign medal isn't really a foreign decoration; otherwise I'd wear it last. I used CAPM 39-1 Table 5-3 on pages 93-94 as a reference and the VN campaign ribbon ranks number 100 on the list.
Quote from: Camas on August 10, 2007, 05:02:58 AMQuote from: Stonewall on August 10, 2007, 02:43:48 AM
foreign awards are the last to go on your rack. So technically they should be lower than your CAP ribbons.
I'm not so sure about that. The VN campaign medal isn't really a foreign decoration; otherwise I'd wear it last. I used CAPM 39-1 Table 5-3 on pages 93-94 as a reference and the VN campaign ribbon ranks number 100 on the list.
That's cool. I was wrong. Just thought it was a foreign award and should be last. Lesson learned. Cool.
Quote from: CAPM 39-1Table 5-3. Order of Precedence for Wear of US Military Awards and Decorations on the CAP
AF-style Uniform (all are worn above the CAP ribbons)
Quote from: adamblank on August 10, 2007, 04:28:53 AM
Not that it is very interesting. I will give you the quick 411 on the spings and missile badge with the wreath or "toilet bowl" as the maintainers called it.
A while back 70s-80s. Missileers would get the missile without the wreath. Later, missileers earned the missile badge with the wreath or operations designator. The last installment was that after tech school for space and missiles 13S officers and 1C6 enlisted would earn the space badge. Missileers AFSC 13SXC would earn the missile badge with wreath after their first alert (missile duty). Now, 13S officers and 1C6 enlisted members do not get any badge when they graduate tech school! They have to give a briefing and become CSP or credentialed space professionals.
Now after that overwhelmingly not very useful story, the question at hand. The simple answer is no. Those who have not served in a 13SXC (missile billet) since 2001 are not grandfathered for the space wings. You will see folks with the missile with and without the wreath overwhelmingly in CAP. Sorry to waste about 2 minutes too much of your life but at least you have the answer!
Adam
It's not a waste if I was the one asking for the information. :)
Now, if you had just spouted off for no reason then we'd be upset. :D
Quote from: MIKE on August 10, 2007, 12:38:30 PM
Quote from: CAPM 39-1Table 5-3. Order of Precedence for Wear of US Military Awards and Decorations on the CAP
AF-style Uniform (all are worn above the CAP ribbons)
See, my point was that Table 5-3 says
"US Military Awards and Decorations". What I'm talking about are non-US awards, but for some reason they still consider those
US Military Awards when they are
not.
I understand what the regs say, but I think the regs got it wrong this time. I realize that if I wore my NATO ribbon or if I had one, the Kuwait Liberation Medal that was awarded by the Kuwaiti government, I'd have to wear them above my CAP ribbons, but I think it shouldn't be that way.
That's just my opinion here, not arguing what the reg says.
Quote from: Stonewall on August 10, 2007, 04:06:47 PM
Quote from: MIKE on August 10, 2007, 12:38:30 PM
Quote from: CAPM 39-1Table 5-3. Order of Precedence for Wear of US Military Awards and Decorations on the CAP
AF-style Uniform (all are worn above the CAP ribbons)
See, my point was that Table 5-3 says "US Military Awards and Decorations". What I'm talking about are non-US awards, but for some reason they still consider those US Military Awards when they are not.
I understand what the regs say, but I think the regs got it wrong this time. I realize that if I wore my NATO ribbon or if I had one, the Kuwait Liberation Medal that was awarded by the Kuwaiti government, I'd have to wear them above my CAP ribbons, but I think it shouldn't be that way.
That's just my opinion here, not arguing what the reg says.
I disagree - I feel awards given out by national militaries should be over state awards and corporate awards. Home nation awards first, mind you, but I think even Kuwait should be given precedence over CAP.
Considering state awards shouldn't even be being worn.
Ha! The green weenie! Never heard that before.
I've gotten conflicting info on this. I was not a member of the New Century Squadron in KS when they were given the Unit Citation Award. But, I've had lots of members tell me that I should wear the ribbon since I belong to the unit now. CAP Knowledgebase seems to be quite adamant about the CAP Officer being in the unit at the time of the award. Popular opinion seems to be the other way, though.
I've just decided the safest thing to do was not to wear it.
Wow, long answer to your funny...
Quote from: AlphaSigOU on August 05, 2007, 09:37:00 PM
Quote from: jacklumanog on August 02, 2007, 07:21:03 PM
I've enjoyed reading through this post! What a pleasure to read of others exploits!
Here is my rack:
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/jacklumanog/RACK.jpg)
Padre,
No 'Green Weenie' yet? (Unit Citation Award.) ;D
If you were not a member of the unit during the cited period you DO NOT wear it.
Quote from: MIKE on August 10, 2007, 07:31:48 PM
If you were not a member of the unit during the cited period you DO NOT wear it.
I wish more people got this mesage. It's a little annoying to got to an encampment, and half the cadets are wearing one with a couple of silver clasps. Especially when they only have two or three stripes.
Quote from: Hawk200 on August 10, 2007, 07:34:06 PM
Quote from: MIKE on August 10, 2007, 07:31:48 PM
If you were not a member of the unit during the cited period you DO NOT wear it.
I wish more people got this mesage. It's a little annoying to got to an encampment, and half the cadets are wearing one with a couple of silver clasps. Especially when they only have two or three stripes.
Hey, we had a unit in which all of the cadets wore Lifesavings because the unit commander told them to. Some basic asked me what my ribbon was, I told him, and he said "there's a whole squadron here wearing them" - sure enough, there was.
On the unit citation issue specifically, Knowledgebase at one time had two contradicting answers on this. I am sure that caused misunderstandings.
Quote from: MIKE on August 10, 2007, 07:31:48 PM
If you were not a member of the unit during the cited period you DO NOT wear it.
Exactimundo! However, back in the olden days WIWAC when dinosaurs roamed the earth (well... not THAT far back! ;D) CAPR 39-3 used the old Army rules for wear of unit awards - join the unit, you wear the unit citations, but if you transfer out you take it off, unless you served a period that is covered by a unit award, in which case you can keep it.
Unfortunately, the institutional mentality and poor record keeping perpetuates the abuse of wearing the Unit Citation Award. (Riddle me this... how come the streamer for the 'Green Weenie' is red with white letters while the ribbon is green?)
My former unit received the Unit Citation where I received my "greenie." When I transferred to my new on they received the Unit Citation and they tried to give me a clasp. I refused it on the grounds that I was not a member of the squadron during the time they earned the award.
Quote from: AlphaSigOU on August 11, 2007, 09:52:11 AM
(Riddle me this... how come the streamer for the 'Green Weenie' is red with white letters while the ribbon is green?)
Probably the same reason that the mini-medal has two white stripes down the sides...
CAP has a tendency to be a bit inconsistent when it comes to consistency unfortunately.
Quote from: MIKE on August 11, 2007, 09:01:29 PM
CAP has a tendency to be a bit inconsistent when it comes to consistency unfortunately.
Department of Inconsistency Department? (Right next door to the Department of Redundancy Department!) ;D
A new CAP member to be (once I have some time to call the local squadron CC).
Former USAF 46250 (old AFSC system - Aircraft Armament Systems Specialist), and Army 96B (Intelligence Analyst).
Quote from: dougsnow on August 14, 2007, 03:20:50 PM
A new CAP member to be (once I have some time to call the local squadron CC).
Former USAF 46250 (old AFSC system - Aircraft Armament Systems Specialist), and Army 96B (Intelligence Analyst).
Welcome Doug (noticed it was your first post)! :)
Nice rack. ;)
Welcome Doug! I was a 96B in the Army as well.
My updated rack. Learned a little more about computers today.
This is my combined CAP and Military rack.
(http://captalk.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2284.0;attach=865)
Ta Da!
U.S. Civil Air Patrol Medals
Quote from: afgeo4 on August 20, 2007, 07:52:17 PM
Ta Da!
Ummm, you're kind of missing your rack in the image.
Quote from: Stonewall on August 19, 2007, 03:28:44 PM
My updated rack. Learned a little more about computers today.
This is my combined CAP and Military rack.
I dunno, it seems funny putting CAP above NATO. I don't have any UN/NATO/foreign, so I can't check to see if they appear above state in vMPF.
When I did wear state awards in the Army Guard, they said it went below state awards. I only wore state awards for Soldier and NCO of the year review boards.
Someone said something about the old CAP reg putting foreign awards below CAP awards but now it's a little confusing and I think it could go either way.
The good news is, I don't wear my military and CAP ribbons on my uniform so it's a moot point. In CAP I wear my CAP ribbons only.
It is now official.
^When you have the image displayed on your monitor, just hit the "PrtSc" button and it will copy what is on your screen.
Go into paint or something and select "Edit>paste" and the image will show up. Crop as necessary.
Quote from: caphistorian on August 21, 2007, 03:48:17 PM
It is now official.
Congrats on both awards. Curious though, how long did it take for you to get the Silver Medal of Valor submitted and approved? We put someone in for one for someone in my unit 6 months ago and haven't heard anything since...
1 Year almost to the day. They only vote on them once a year. If it is missed than they wait until the next National Meeting.
Or if your wing commander doesn't sign it or submit it to region... We are currently trying to track the paperwork now but my belief is that it was lost in the "black hole"
Quote from: sargrunt on August 21, 2007, 08:33:12 PM
Or if your wing commander doesn't sign it or submit it to region...
I have been attempting to get my Chaplain promoted since March. One individual at wing denied the promotion but wouldn't return the denied paperwork. They just let the Chaplain hang for five or six months without notifying us of the denial. After months of my nagging they finally reviewed the action approved it and sent it to region where it was approved but the personnel guy lost the paperwork. Now we're trying to process it again.
I'd hate to think that this TP thing has caused all this confusion.
Quote from: caphistorian on August 15, 2007, 12:17:37 PM
Welcome Doug! I was a 96B in the Army as well.
I just wish there was somewhere I could wear my MI branch badge on a CAP uniform ;)
Quote from: dougsnow on August 22, 2007, 05:46:36 PM
Quote from: caphistorian on August 15, 2007, 12:17:37 PM
Welcome Doug! I was a 96B in the Army as well.
I just wish there was somewhere I could wear my MI branch badge on a CAP uniform ;)
There is! Check out the "what you wear under your flightsuit" thread. ;)
Quote from: Grumpy on August 21, 2007, 10:19:32 PM
Quote from: sargrunt on August 21, 2007, 08:33:12 PM
Or if your wing commander doesn't sign it or submit it to region...
I have been attempting to get my Chaplain promoted since March. One individual at wing denied the promotion but wouldn't return the denied paperwork. They just let the Chaplain hang for five or six months without notifying us of the denial. After months of my nagging they finally reviewed the action approved it and sent it to region where it was approved but the personnel guy lost the paperwork. Now we're trying to process it again.
I'd hate to think that this TP thing has caused all this confusion.
Nah... this is par for the course. Curious... did you recommend the Chaplain to ask for assistance from the higher authority? Sometimes that helps.
Quote from: afgeo4 on August 22, 2007, 06:10:13 PM
Nah... this is par for the course. Curious... did you recommend the Chaplain to ask for assistance from the higher authority? Sometimes that helps.
And when fire comes down from the heavens upon wing HQ, burning the wing commander's chair to a crisp, suddenly someone wants to retype the F2 for you...
Quote from: dougsnow on August 22, 2007, 05:46:36 PMI just wish there was somewhere I could wear my MI branch badge on a CAP uniform ;)
On BDU's, on the inside part of one of the pocket flaps.
On service dress, in the little "pocket" of the welt pocket (my maintenance badge fits there).
On flightsuit, inside one of the pockets.
On blue/white shirts? You're on your own. It would be visible under the pocket flap. Sorry.
Quote from: dougsnow on August 22, 2007, 05:46:36 PM
Quote from: caphistorian on August 15, 2007, 12:17:37 PM
Welcome Doug! I was a 96B in the Army as well.
I just wish there was somewhere I could wear my MI branch badge on a CAP uniform ;)
I learned recently, in the AF, if you attend a qualification school for your MOS in another service and it meets or exceeds the requirements for the same job in the AF, you are waived from that tech school. As an example, an Army MP who transfers to the AF/AFRES/ANG doesn't have to go to tech school and is automatically awarded the 3-level skill badge for Security Police.
Same goes for several other MOS/AFSCs. I'm sure intel would be one of them. Not saying it's legit for CAP, but it seems someone could sorta find a loophole if it were that important to you.
After all, I once saw a guy on region staff wear his Army expert marksmanship badge on his CAP uniform. Thought that was kind of ghey.
Quote from: Stonewall on August 23, 2007, 02:02:43 AM
After all, I once saw a guy on region staff wear his Army expert marksmanship badge on his CAP uniform. Thought that was kind of ghey.
Now that's just wrong. The only marksmanship badges permitted on CAP uniforms are the CMP badges of the various branches of service. Personally, I might turn a blind eye on other badges that aren't that type, but not those.
Quote from: Hawk200 on August 23, 2007, 02:12:11 AM... CMP badges of the various branches of service.
What's that?
Quote from: Stonewall on August 23, 2007, 02:13:30 AM
Quote from: Hawk200 on August 23, 2007, 02:12:11 AM... CMP badges of the various branches of service.
What's that?
The stuff listed in 39-1 are these:
Distinguished International Shooter Badge
Air Force Distinguished Rifleman and Pistol Shot Badge
Silver Excellence-in-Competition Rifle and Pistol Badge with Wreath
Bronze Excellence-in-Competition Rifle and Pistol Badge With or Without Wreath
The Air Force ones are shown here: http://www-p.afsv.af.mil/AFSports/Sports/Shooting.htm
Go down to near the bottom of the page.
Here's another one that only shows the pistol badges: http://www.airforceshooting.org/eicbadgs.html
You'd probably have to do some looking for the other branches.
NRA marksmanship badges are authorized too, unless that's changed.
Quote from: Stonewall on August 23, 2007, 02:23:35 AM
NRA marksmanship badges are authorized too, unless that's changed.
The only one listed in 39-1 is the Junior National Rifle Association Marksmanship Badge, for cadets only. I don't think there are any others mentioned in the present manual.
I'm going to check and see how hard it is to get the wing approval to administer the NRA course of fire for cadets. I just took my LE basic instructor and firearms instructor courses this year and was just thinking about that the other day. Anyone have any tips or inside info?
I wanna wear my German Armed Forces Proficiency Badge with my service dress. That would really wig some people out. Heheheh
Thats the cool looking one with the big eagle right?
I suggest calling on the Wing and/or Region Chaplain to see if they can help move things along. Both my Wing and Region Chaplains were very helpful in moving my promotion along and making sure my paperwork didn't fall into the black hole of which we all dread.
Quote from: Grumpy on August 21, 2007, 10:19:32 PM
Quote from: sargrunt on August 21, 2007, 08:33:12 PM
Or if your wing commander doesn't sign it or submit it to region...
I have been attempting to get my Chaplain promoted since March. One individual at wing denied the promotion but wouldn't return the denied paperwork. They just let the Chaplain hang for five or six months without notifying us of the denial. After months of my nagging they finally reviewed the action approved it and sent it to region where it was approved but the personnel guy lost the paperwork. Now we're trying to process it again.
I'd hate to think that this TP thing has caused all this confusion.
I'd post all my ribbons, but I'm not even a lowly Butterbar yet.
Can I show you my design awards instead? ;D
Aren't U. S. military occupational badges authorized? I know I've seen people with AF occupational badges and Army CIB, Parachutist, Scuba, Air Assault and others as well (not all at the same time.)
From 39-1:
Quote
Table 6-5. US Military Badges Authorized on CAP Service Uniforms and BDUs
1 US Military Aeronautical Badges
2 Air Force Occupational Badges
3 Combat Infantry or Army Medical Badge
4 US Army Air Assault Badge and Path Finder Badge
5 Parachute Riggers Badge
6 Scuba Badge
7 Distinguished International Shooter Badge
8 Air Force Distinguished Rifleman and Pistol Shot Badge
9 Silver Excellence-in-Competition Rifle and Pistol Badge with Wreath
10 Bronze Excellence-in-Competition Rifle and Pistol Badge With or Without Wreath
11 Office of the Secretary of Defense Badge
12 Joint Chief of Staff Identification Badge
13 Presidential Service Badge or Vice-Presidential Service Badge
14 Excellence-in-Competition Badge
NOTES:
1. Badges are worn in the same position as they are worn on the Air Force uniform. If a CAP badge is worn in the same position, the member must choose one to the exclusion of the other.
2. Before wearing any badge not listed in Table 6-5, contact National Headquarters/LMM for
clarification.
Notice #2, it says "AIR FORCE OCCUPATIONAL BADGES" not "MILITARY". AF is the only branch that has these badges anyway. The Army has "branch insignia" that go on the lapels of the Class A's and Dress Blues.
Army CIB is ok per item 3
Para is ok per item 5
Scuba is ok per item 6
Air Assault is ok per item 4
The AF has a qual badge for about every major AFSC (or AFSC field), they went pretty nuts after I got out back in 1993, and went badge crazy.
In the Army, you have a Branch Qual badge that says youre "infantry", "armor", "intel", or whatever. On BDUs, only the officers wear their branch insignia. On dress uniforms, the branch insignia is worn on the left lapel.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_insignia_of_the_United_States_Army
Quote from: dougsnow on August 24, 2007, 12:47:43 AM
In the Army, you have a Branch Qual badge that says youre "infantry", "armor", "intel", or whatever. On BDUs, only the officers wear their branch insignia. On dress uniforms, the branch insignia is worn on the left lapel.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_insignia_of_the_United_States_Army
I hated giving up my branch insignia when we moved to ACU's. Now we have no idea what an Officer's specialty is just by looking at him or her. Before I could decide the worth of a new 2LT by seeing what branch he or she was in. Now I have to ask what they do. The Army should have learned lessons from Korea about identifying officers branches. Nothing like having a Major lead a Battalion up a hill after the Battalion staff has been killed, and later finding out he was a Doctor who never saw one day of combat except for hollywood movies. This was a big problem in Korea, and the decision was made to keep branch insignia on fatigues. Same is true on todays battlefield. I want to be able to identify a Field Artillery officer by looking at him (and now her) if I should need someone to call in some steel on the enemy.
Sorry I digress, but the same is true in CAP. We all look at the badges and rank and ribbons to see what a person has done and where he or she has been.
Quote from: MIKE on August 23, 2007, 03:41:27 AM
Thats the cool looking one with the big eagle right?
Yeah, it's got the cord and the gold eagle thing on it.
The one I was thinking of doesn't have a cord... It's a pin on badge.
Quote from: MIKE on August 24, 2007, 03:25:11 AM
The one I was thinking of doesn't have a cord... It's a pin on badge.
Sorry, you are perfectly correct. I only knew the german name and misinterpreted. The German Armed Forces Proficiency Badge is just a pin on device. I earned the "Schutzenschnur" Which is the Germany Armed Forces Weapons Qualification Badge. I has the cord on it. My bad. Still wish I could wear it.
For reference...
BTW, I've seen a guy wear the Schutzenschnur in CAP service dress. In fact, I have a picture of him in my photo album.
German Armed Forces Proficiency Badge
(http://www.calguard.ca.gov/casmr/2ndbde/image/ProBadgeGold.jpg)
"Schutzenschnur" Which is the Germany Armed Forces Weapons Qualification Badge
(http://www.fototime.com/BD5EE208F6D6EC1/orig.jpg)
Quote from: dougsnow on August 24, 2007, 12:47:43 AM
The AF has a qual badge for about every major AFSC (or AFSC field), they went pretty nuts after I got out back in 1993, and went badge crazy.
Actually, there is one for every career field. Good ol' McPeak was the one responsible for that one. The occupational badges essentially became the equivalent to Army branch insignia. If you know most of the AF occupational badges, you can figure out their career field.
McPeak's changes weren't popular for the most part, because only a single badge could be worn unless you were aircrew, then you could wear wings as well. People that had multiple badges under their belt weren't happy about that.
Quote from: Stonewall on August 24, 2007, 04:26:52 AM
For reference...
BTW, I've seen a guy wear the Schutzenschnur in CAP service dress. In fact, I have a picture of him in my photo album.
Did anyone bust him for wearing it? I figured there would be someone who would say something about it. I "accidently" wore my Army Expert Marksmanship badge once on my blue shirt. Someone reamed me for it but I had just rejoined CAP and didn't think about it too clearly...
I think that stuff is pretty common from people coming from active duty. I knew several Marines who wore their Rifle and Pistol shooting badges in blues. I all cases they were removed without any problem. The guys just didnt realize their badges werent authorized.
I think it is the matter that they should be authorized but that is for another thread. Here's an interesting question. I was awarded the Korean jump wings. If I go on an IACE "adventure" do I wear the Korean jump wings in their country?
Quote from: sargrunt on August 26, 2007, 04:04:13 AM
I think it is the matter that they should be authorized but that is for another thread. Here's an interesting question. I was awarded the Korean jump wings. If I go on an IACE "adventure" do I wear the Korean jump wings in their country?
I thought IACE had a separate uniform that didn't really have anything on it except maybe a nameplate and some epaulets with American flags. Is that only for cadets? Maybe I'm entirely misinformed.
Quote from: Jolt on August 26, 2007, 04:15:33 AM
Quote from: sargrunt on August 26, 2007, 04:04:13 AM
I think it is the matter that they should be authorized but that is for another thread. Here's an interesting question. I was awarded the Korean jump wings. If I go on an IACE "adventure" do I wear the Korean jump wings in their country?
I thought IACE had a separate uniform that didn't really have anything on it except maybe a nameplate and some epaulets with American flags. Is that only for cadets? Maybe I'm entirely misinformed.
Not misinformed. If memory serves.....it costs some $$$$$$
Quote from: mikeylikey on August 26, 2007, 04:51:21 AM
Not misinformed. If memory serves.....it costs some $$$$$$
It costs a few bucks to set it up if you don't already own the aviator uniform and blazer combo (for cadets, of course it costs money, because they generally don't wear that uniform). The IACEA uniform is white shirt and medium grey slacks. Americans wear gray CAP epaulets with American flags and "IACE" embroidered on them, with a one-line, full-name gray nameplate. (Gotta use a separate nameplate to generate more money). For formal functions, IACE CAP peeps throw on the blue blazer.
If you already own the CAP aviator uniform and blazer combo, all you'll buy is the IACE epaulet sleeves and the custom nameplate.
Quote from: Pylon on August 26, 2007, 05:04:32 AM
Quote from: mikeylikey on August 26, 2007, 04:51:21 AM
Not misinformed. If memory serves.....it costs some $$$$$$
It costs a few bucks to set it up if you don't already own the aviator uniform and blazer combo (for cadets, of course it costs money, because they generally don't wear that uniform). The IACEA uniform is white shirt and medium grey slacks. Americans wear gray CAP epaulets with American flags and "IACE" embroidered on them, with a one-line, full-name gray nameplate. (Gotta use a separate nameplate to generate more money). For formal functions, IACE CAP peeps throw on the blue blazer.
If you already own the CAP aviator uniform and blazer combo, all you'll buy is the IACE epaulet sleeves and the custom nameplate.
Isn't there also a special IACE tie? Or was that like "so 1996"??
That's a bummer. I think I will opt out of IACE then. I was thinking that we might actually get to wear our uniform in the countries we go to.
Quote from: sargrunt on August 26, 2007, 06:23:01 AM
That's a bummer. I think I will opt out of IACE then. I was thinking that we might actually get to wear our uniform in the countries we go to.
(1) To wear the uniform you have to be under the sponsorship of the American Forces stationed in that country, if there are any. (It's a Status of Forces thing).
(2) Most of the cadet organizations we exchange with are not affiliated with the military of their nations
I would like to have my design of the "ultrathin ribbon" mount judged. Does anyone here live in the state of GA. If so please send me an IM. I would like to send a set to someone for "independent" judging.
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee67/matss256/CAPRibbons.jpg)
Here are my cadet ribbons. I finally figured out how to get them on here. All 8 years worth of them.
Notice how I edited the "U.S." out of the "Civil Air Patrol." >:D
For those of you who don't know how to cut and paste your ribbon images onto a forum, you need 2 things: a photobucket account (or equivalent) and Microsoft Paint. Just do the following:
1. Generate your ribbon rack
2. Open the page with your generated ribbon rack. Maximize the page so it fills the screen.
3. Press CTRL + "Print Screen."
4. Open Microsoft Paint. Click on "Edit", scroll down, and select "Paste." The picture of the screen with your generated ribbon rack will be uploaded onto Microsoft Paint.
5. Edit the image on Microsoft Paint as appropriate, then save the image to your computer.
6. Upload the saved paint image (your ribbons) to your Photobucket (or equivalent) account.
7. Cut and paste the URL into your post.
8. Click the "Post" button.
Ta-da! Your ribbons are now viewable on the forum.
Thanks, Mr. ♠ I have been trying to figure it out for a long long time. I managed before, but it was totally weak compared to this image. Cheers.
My CAP rack with badges....
(http://captalk.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2284.0;attach=984)
I most likely did something wrong.....
(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/mda18/cap/ribbons.jpg?t=1188441518)
Quote from: Stonewall on August 30, 2007, 01:32:22 AM
Thanks, Mr. ♠ I have been trying to figure it out for a long long time. I managed before, but it was totally weak compared to this image. Cheers.
You're welcome, sir. Took me a while to find out myself. Cheers.
Quote from: markh on August 30, 2007, 02:41:17 AM
I most likely did something wrong.....
I think you just need to crop.
Lt Col Bowden, thank you for your service in both the military and CAP. Here's a challenge coin:
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee67/matss256/AF-XOHAChallengeCoinFront.jpg)(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee67/matss256/AF-XOHAChallengeCoinBack.jpg)
I received this from an Air Force Major assigned to the Air Force Auxiliary branch for the Air and Space Operations Directorate of Homeland Security (XOH). I was on a class trip to the Pentagon and helped arrange a meeting with AF-XOH through the Major, who I had met at a wing conference. At the time, Col Richard Anderson (Brig Gen, CAP) was the director of AF-XOH.
Hope you enjoy this challenge coin... it's a rare find! :)
Thank you, I can add it to my small collection. These are about 1/3 of my collection. These are just the ones that mean something to me.
Quote from: Stonewall on August 30, 2007, 04:53:15 AM
Thank you, I can add it to my small collection. These are about 1/3 of my collection. These are just the ones that mean something to me.
Impressive! Thanks for sharing.
Now that we have seen just about everyones rack how about if we start a new one that has it all. Put on shot up there that has any and all you have earned. Sounds challenging doesnt it!
Here is my everything I've got 'mega rack'.
(http://www.marksmedals.com/untitled.bmp)
Quote from: caphistorian on August 30, 2007, 09:27:45 PM
Now that we have seen just about everyones rack how about if we start a new one that has it all. Put on shot up there that has any and all you have earned. Sounds challenging doesnt it!
I already did this on like page 8. However, this is not a perfect representation.
I'm missing several ribbons, a few accouterments and maybe a badge. But overall, it gives you my Air Force, Army and CAP awards and badges all in one snapshot.
(http://www.jacksonvillesquadron.org/images/complete_rack.jpg)
Click here for larger image (http://www.jacksonvillesquadron.org/images/complete_rack.jpg)
Once I get a chance to purchase all the ribbons and stuff, it'll look like this:
(http://captalk.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2284.0;attach=865)
Col. Bowden... that's a serious ribbon rack attack! ;D
Quote from: AlphaSigOU on September 02, 2007, 02:35:01 AM
Col. Bowden... that's a serious ribbon rack attack! ;D
No matter what I do, I always forget something. I see now, after a week since I put together that rack, that I missed 2 oakleafs on my AF longevity ribbon.
I ordered a CAP and AF rack from ultrathin and had to call 3 times because I forgot something. Luckily they're pretty slow with production so I didn't get charged.
Quote from: Stonewall on September 03, 2007, 05:50:11 AM
Quote from: AlphaSigOU on September 02, 2007, 02:35:01 AM
Col. Bowden... that's a serious ribbon rack attack! ;D
No matter what I do, I always forget something. I see now, after a week since I put together that rack, that I missed 2 oakleafs on my AF longevity ribbon.
I ordered a CAP and AF rack from ultrathin and had to call 3 times because I forgot something. Luckily they're pretty slow with production so I didn't get charged.
Never had a problem with Ultrathin; however if you have a National Commander's Unit Citation or any other ribbon they don't regularly stock (like the AFSA/AFA/VFW cadink awards), you have to supply it to them.
Quote from: Stonewall on September 03, 2007, 05:50:11 AM
Quote from: AlphaSigOU on September 02, 2007, 02:35:01 AM
Col. Bowden... that's a serious ribbon rack attack! ;D
No matter what I do, I always forget something. I see now, after a week since I put together that rack, that I missed 2 oakleafs on my AF longevity ribbon.
I ordered a CAP and AF rack from ultrathin and had to call 3 times because I forgot something. Luckily they're pretty slow with production so I didn't get charged.
I thought you had a tomb guard badge?
Quote from: ddelaney103 on September 04, 2007, 01:13:49 AM
I thought you had a tomb guard badge?
Nope. But I am staying at a Holiday Inn Express... No, seriously.
I actually got accepted to try out for the Tomb but I got selected for special duty at the Pentagon and took that instead. Got a different badge for that.
Quote from: Stonewall on September 04, 2007, 02:33:04 AM
Quote from: ddelaney103 on September 04, 2007, 01:13:49 AM
I thought you had a tomb guard badge?
Nope. But I am staying at a Holiday Inn Express... No, seriously.
I actually got accepted to try out for the Tomb but I got selected for special duty at the Pentagon and took that instead. Got a different badge for that.
Namely, the Golden Hubcap shown above. ?
(http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v112/147/19/527440729/n527440729_407466_218.jpg)
^ How many of those UCs were awarded during your actual membership dates? >:D
Quote from: MIKE on September 04, 2007, 09:48:33 PM
^ How many of those UCs were awarded during your actual membership dates? >:D
I would think it would be rare for somone with less than two years in the program to have that many UC awards, but it is possible.....
Quote from: MIKE on September 04, 2007, 09:48:33 PM
^ How many of those UCs were awarded during your actual membership dates? >:D
I'm thinking it's another example of "Here's a UC with three clasps, put it on".
How long has it been since they clarified that? Beginning to think that a big part of our problem is that noone ever checks regs before they go wearing something or telling someone else they can.
Quote from: ♠SARKID♠ on September 04, 2007, 09:46:10 PM
(http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v112/147/19/527440729/n527440729_407466_218.jpg)
Is that possible? 4 citations in 2 years. Thats 2 a year. You must be in one AWESOME SQD.
Quote from: mikeylikey on September 06, 2007, 02:15:22 AM
Is that possible? 4 citations in 2 years. Thats 2 a year. You must be in one AWESOME SQD.
UC's can also include the group, wing and region. But it's a little unlikely that each level got one within two years time. The only one I have was given to the entire Cali Wing after quake relief in '94.
Quote from: Hawk200 on September 06, 2007, 01:59:37 AM
I'm thinking it's another example of "Here's a UC with three clasps, put it on".
How long has it been since they clarified that? Beginning to think that a big part of our problem is that noone ever checks regs before they go wearing something or telling someone else they can.
I'll answer and leave the discussion at that. 'Cuz getting into another UC discussion is just what everyone wants or needs... ;)
Point me to a regulatory "clarification" and I and the members in my unit will gladly wear the Unit Citations awarded only during the appropriate periods of members. Until, however, there is a new 39-3, a change to 39-3 or an Interim Change Letter spelling that out, CAPR 39-3, 12.c.(2) tells me that "The members of each unit which receive the Unit Citation Award are authorized to wear the Unit Citation Ribbon."
Personally, I'm of the opinion that we all should be proud of the squadron, group, wing and region that we belong to, and if one or more of those units have been decorated, then by all means we should show it.
And to answer Mikey, why yes, he is a member of a particularly AWESOME squadron. 8)
Quote from: ctrossen on September 06, 2007, 03:21:51 AMPoint me to a regulatory "clarification" and I and the members in my unit will gladly wear the Unit Citations awarded only during the appropriate periods of members. Until, however, there is a new 39-3, a change to 39-3 or an Interim Change Letter spelling that out, CAPR 39-3, 12.c.(2) tells me that "The members of each unit which receive the Unit Citation Award are authorized to wear the Unit Citation Ribbon."
Quote from: CAPR 39-35. Eligibility. A member must be in good standing at
the time of the distinguished act and must meet the
criteria established for the award. All award
recommendations must be submitted within 2 years of the
termination date of the act, achievement, or service
performed. Next of kin of deceased persons are entitled
to receive awards earned but not presented.
Emphasis added.See also:
This post on the subject.
Quote from: ctrossen on September 06, 2007, 03:21:51 AMPersonally, I'm of the opinion that we all should be proud of the squadron, group, wing and region that we belong to, and if one or more of those units have been decorated, then by all means we should show it.
If we went by that, eventually everyone would have one. Several entire wings have been awarded it, so every single member of that wing would have one for eternity.
Tag spacing - MIKE
Quote from: Hawk200 on September 06, 2007, 02:42:21 AM
Quote from: mikeylikey on September 06, 2007, 02:15:22 AM
Is that possible? 4 citations in 2 years. Thats 2 a year. You must be in one AWESOME SQD.
UC's can also include the group, wing and region. But it's a little unlikely that each level got one within two years time. The only one I have was given to the entire Cali Wing after quake relief in '94.
All of CAWG got one for the Challenger response. If you were a member of the wing then, you rate two.
I think you mean Columbia... Old enough to have seen both explode live on TV.
Quote from: mikeylikey on September 07, 2007, 06:21:56 PMhmmmmm............Very Intersting! Now......we want your 214 Sargrunt!
My guess is that the Armstrong is a mistake. Everything else makes perfect sense, it's just that one ribbon, that wasn't added until 1998, that doesn't add up.
Oh, and I guess I could post this, as long as I'm in the thread...
(http://brodskyhouse.net/misc/MyRack.jpg)
I cannot save my rack to upload it... how do I do this? The print screen method does not seem to do anything for me...
Quote from: PaulR on September 08, 2007, 03:30:49 PM
PS... How does one save a photo of a ribbon bar from the Rackbuilder sites so that they can be uploaded here?
These are the exact directions I followed. If it doesn't work, call a 10 year old to help you, that's what I did... :-\
Quote from: ♠ on August 30, 2007, 12:37:08 AM
For those of you who don't know how to cut and paste your ribbon images onto a forum, you need 2 things: a photobucket account (or equivalent) and Microsoft Paint. Just do the following:
1. Generate your ribbon rack
2. Open the page with your generated ribbon rack. Maximize the page so it fills the screen.
3. Press CTRL + "Print Screen."
4. Open Microsoft Paint. Click on "Edit", scroll down, and select "Paste." The picture of the screen with your generated ribbon rack will be uploaded onto Microsoft Paint.
5. Edit the image on Microsoft Paint as appropriate, then save the image to your computer.
6. Upload the saved paint image (your ribbons) to your Photobucket (or equivalent) account.
7. Cut and paste the URL into your post.
8. Click the "Post" button.
Ta-da! Your ribbons are now viewable on the forum.
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Point me to a regulatory "clarification" and I and the members in my unit will gladly wear the Unit Citations awarded only during the appropriate periods of members. Until, however, there is a new 39-3, a change to 39-3 or an Interim Change Letter spelling that out, CAPR 39-3, 12.c.(2) tells me that "The members of each unit which receive the Unit Citation Award are authorized to wear the Unit Citation Ribbon."
Personally, I'm of the opinion that we all should be proud of the squadron, group, wing and region that we belong to, and if one or more of those units have been decorated, then by all means we should show it.
And to answer Mikey, why yes, he is a member of a particularly AWESOME squadron. 8)
Thanks Colonel Trossen :)
Quote from: ♠SARKID♠ on September 08, 2007, 07:50:30 PM
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Point me to a regulatory "clarification" and I and the members in my unit will gladly wear the Unit Citations awarded only during the appropriate periods of members. Until, however, there is a new 39-3, a change to 39-3 or an Interim Change Letter spelling that out, CAPR 39-3, 12.c.(2) tells me that "The members of each unit which receive the Unit Citation Award are authorized to wear the Unit Citation Ribbon."
Personally, I'm of the opinion that we all should be proud of the squadron, group, wing and region that we belong to, and if one or more of those units have been decorated, then by all means we should show it.
And to answer Mikey, why yes, he is a member of a particularly AWESOME squadron. 8)
Thanks Colonel Trossen :)
Did the actual SQD earn all 4 Unit Citations, or were there ones awarded to the Wing, Group etc.
QuoteShow me your rack
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4550/rackdp1.jpg)
Wow Stonewall!! You are the best!
Here is my rack. I did include my Mitchell Award, as I think that I would be allowed to wear on a Senior Member uniform.
# CG Achievement Medal
# Marine Corps Achievement Medal
# CG Commandant Letter of Commendation
# Presidential Unit Citation (CG)
# Unit Commendation (CG)
# Meritorious Unit Commendation (CG)
# Meritorious Team Commendation (CG)
# CG 'E' Award'
# DoT Secretary Outstanding Unit Award
# DoT 9-11 Ribbon
# CG Good Conduct Medal
# National Defense Service Medal
# War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal
# War on Terrorism Service Medal
# Humanitarian Service Medal
# CG Special Operations Service Ribbon
# Sea Service Deployment Ribbon (CG)
# Civil Air Patrol Gen. Billy Mitchell Award
# CG Rifleman
# CG Pistol Shot
Here it is...
(http://captalk.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2284.0;attach=1032)
You are the best!!! Thank you very much!! I will save those directions for future use! >:D
Go up to my post and hit "quote" in the upper right hand corner. You'll see how I got your rack to show up.
Right click and copy the link of the image you wish to show, then paste it between the brackets. You'll see what I mean when you hit the "quote" button.
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Did the actual SQD earn all 4 Unit Citations, or were there ones awarded to the Wing, Group etc.
I don't know for sure. Yes, 2 of those UCs were before my time, but I dont know for sure where they came from. Any help Col Trossen?
Quote from: Stonewall on September 08, 2007, 09:55:06 PM
Here it is...
(http://captalk.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2284.0;attach=1032)
Just out of curiosity (I'm sure there is a reason, it's just not clicking to me...) why is your Mitchell above your two marksmanship ribbons?
Because it's harder to get the Mitchell than it is to get marskmanship ribbons in the CG? ;D
Quote from: Stonewall on September 08, 2007, 10:57:56 PM
Because it's harder to get the Mitchell than it is to get marskmanship ribbons in the CG? ;D
That's it!
Now, what did everyone get their ribbons for?
Joint Service Commendation: Good job when at the Pentagon in a Joint environment.
Air Force Achievement Medal: Got it after serving 3 years at my unit then transfering.
4 Army Achievement Medals: 1. Something I did at NTC. 2. For volunteering to do some Army birthday ceremony in Rhode Island. 3. I forgot. 4. Soldier of the Year.
Army Superior Unit Award: I was in my unit when the unit got the award.
Good Conduct Medal: 3 years of Honorable and Faithful service on active duty.
GWOT Service: Serving during GWOT
Army Res Achievement Medal: Don't know, it showed up on my NG Form 22
NDSM x 2: Service during Desert Storm and GWOT
Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal: Service in Bosnia
Armed Forces Service Medal: Service in Bosnia
Mil Outstanding Volunteer Service Medal: CAP and Soldiers/Airman's home in DC
AF Longevity Device x 3 (missing the OLCs): 12 years service in any branch of service.
Reserve Mobilization Medal with "M" device: Awarded for being in the Guard and being activated for mobilization.
NCO Academy ribbon with "2": PLDC and BNCOC
AF Marksmanship ribbon with star: Expert in rifle and pistol
Army Service Ribbon: Army Basic Training
NATO medal: Served in NATO mission
See, for the most part, they're given for doing your job. Sometimes uyou get 2 for the price of one.
Quote from: Stonewall on September 08, 2007, 11:20:18 PM
Now, what did everyone get their ribbons for?
...
I got my Earhart for taking a really big test! ;) >:D
Quote from: ♠SARKID♠ on September 08, 2007, 07:50:30 PM
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Point me to a regulatory "clarification" and I and the members in my unit will gladly wear the Unit Citations awarded only during the appropriate periods of members. Until, however, there is a new 39-3, a change to 39-3 or an Interim Change Letter spelling that out, CAPR 39-3, 12.c.(2) tells me that "The members of each unit which receive the Unit Citation Award are authorized to wear the Unit Citation Ribbon."
Personally, I'm of the opinion that we all should be proud of the squadron, group, wing and region that we belong to, and if one or more of those units have been decorated, then by all means we should show it.
I'm all for being proud of our organization but I'm also for doing right.
I asked NHQ about the UC and below is what I got.
Unit Citation ribbon
Paragraph 12c(2) of CAPR 39-3 states the Unit Citation ribbon is worn by each individual who was a member of the unit during the period of time the award covers. In other words if the award covers 1 January 2004 thru 31 December 2004, you must have been in the unit during that calendar year to wear the ribbon. Individuals who join a unit after 31 December 2004 would have to wait until the unit earned another award to wear the ribbon.
SUSAN P. PARKER
Deputy Director, Membership Services
Quote from: Snake Doctor on September 09, 2007, 01:37:13 AM
Quote from: ♠SARKID♠ on September 08, 2007, 07:50:30 PM
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Point me to a regulatory "clarification" and I and the members in my unit will gladly wear the Unit Citations awarded only during the appropriate periods of members. Until, however, there is a new 39-3, a change to 39-3 or an Interim Change Letter spelling that out, CAPR 39-3, 12.c.(2) tells me that "The members of each unit which receive the Unit Citation Award are authorized to wear the Unit Citation Ribbon."
Personally, I'm of the opinion that we all should be proud of the squadron, group, wing and region that we belong to, and if one or more of those units have been decorated, then by all means we should show it.
I'm all for being proud of our organization but I'm also for doing right.
I asked NHQ about the UC and below is what I got.
Unit Citation ribbon
Paragraph 12c(2) of CAPR 39-3 states the Unit Citation ribbon is worn by each individual who was a member of the unit during the period of time the award covers. In other words if the award covers 1 January 2004 thru 31 December 2004, you must have been in the unit during that calendar year to wear the ribbon. Individuals who join a unit after 31 December 2004 would have to wait until the unit earned another award to wear the ribbon.
SUSAN P. PARKER
Deputy Director, Membership Services
I agree with people only being allowed to wear the unit citation if they were in the unit when it was awarded, but the information that you got is incorrect for that justification. Nowhere in that section does it specify "the Unit Citation ribbon is worn by each individual who was a member of the unit during the period of time the award covers" and the paragraph makes it a bit confusing and left to interpretation.
We had to use section A, paragraph 5, Eligibility, to show that the member has to be a current member and meet the criteria for an award to be able to wear it.
The unit citation paragraph is not worded well.
QuoteThe Unit Citation
Ribbon may be worn permanently by all individuals who
were members of the unit during any portion of the period of
time shown in the National Headquarters Personnel Action
announcing the award.
emphasis mine. An ambiguous reg. hmmm... that doesn't happen often. ::)
It's that "permanently" part what flubs up most members, implying there should be a "temporary" permission for wearing the ribbon
Quote from: jaybird512 on September 08, 2007, 10:56:50 PM
Just out of curiosity (I'm sure there is a reason, it's just not clicking to me...) why is your Mitchell above your two marksmanship ribbons?
The rackbuilder is wrong. ;D The CG Marksmanship ribbons aren't even listed in Table 5-3.
Quote from: ♠SARKID♠ on September 08, 2007, 10:51:35 PM
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Did the actual SQD earn all 4 Unit Citations, or were there ones awarded to the Wing, Group etc.
I don't know for sure. Yes, 2 of those UCs were before my time, but I dont know for sure where they came from. Any help Col Trossen?
How can you wear a citation you weren't around to earn? I think you may in the wrong.
Quote from: Stonewall on September 08, 2007, 11:20:18 PM
Now, what did everyone get their ribbons for?
*Snip*
I got mine for a $1.05 from Vanguard. I just picked out some pretty ones and put them together.
That is how Lt Col Ninness taught me to do it.
Quote from: mikeylikey on September 09, 2007, 03:47:50 AM
Quote from: ♠SARKID♠ on September 08, 2007, 10:51:35 PM
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Did the actual SQD earn all 4 Unit Citations, or were there ones awarded to the Wing, Group etc.
I don't know for sure. Yes, 2 of those UCs were before my time, but I dont know for sure where they came from. Any help Col Trossen?
How can you wear a citation you weren't around to earn? I think you may in the wrong.
Alright, lets not start this argument up. Read CTrossen's post (http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=2284.msg55033#msg55033). I fully agree with him, and even if he's wrong, he's my squadron commander and obey all his commands.
Ms. Parker is the OPR and she interprets these rules. Basically, what she says, goes.
Quote from: jaybird512 on September 08, 2007, 10:56:50 PM
Just out of curiosity (I'm sure there is a reason, it's just not clicking to me...) why is your Mitchell above your two marksmanship ribbons?
Because that is the order that the ribbon checker placed them in. There is no way to control where they go.
As a Marine, I went through all of the courses of fire for qualification. I would say that I would rank the branches in order of difficulty:
1. US Marine Corps
2. US Coast Guard
3. US Army
4. US Navy
5. US Air Force
The reason the Coast Guard is in that position is that we not only train for battlefield conditions, we also train as law enforcement agents. Trust me, this is more difficult than simply plinking away at targets.. ;D
Quote from: ♠SARKID♠ on September 09, 2007, 04:15:25 AM
Quote from: mikeylikey on September 09, 2007, 03:47:50 AM
Quote from: ♠SARKID♠ on September 08, 2007, 10:51:35 PM
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Did the actual SQD earn all 4 Unit Citations, or were there ones awarded to the Wing, Group etc.
I don't know for sure. Yes, 2 of those UCs were before my time, but I dont know for sure where they came from. Any help Col Trossen?
How can you wear a citation you weren't around to earn? I think you may in the wrong.
Alright, lets not start this argument up. Read CTrossen's post (http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=2284.msg55033#msg55033). I fully agree with him, and even if he's wrong, he's my squadron commander and obey all his commands.
He is in the wrong as well. Don't do something just because someone tells you to do it, when you know it is incorrect. Shame on both of you.
Quote from: PaulR on September 09, 2007, 01:13:24 PM
Quote from: jaybird512 on September 08, 2007, 10:56:50 PM
Just out of curiosity (I'm sure there is a reason, it's just not clicking to me...) why is your Mitchell above your two marksmanship ribbons?
Because that is the order that the ribbon checker placed them in. There is no way to control where they go.
As a Marine, I went through all of the courses of fire for qualification. I would say that I would rank the branches in order of difficulty:
1. US Marine Corps
2. US Coast Guard
3. US Army
4. US Navy
5. US Air Force
The reason the Coast Guard is in that position is that we not only train for battlefield conditions, we also train as law enforcement agents. Trust me, this is more difficult than simply plinking away at targets.. ;D
hahahahha.....perhaps you will take a trip to Iraq and see that that no matter what service you are in, you are also a LEO. Times haver changed, the CG is not the only branch to have to intercept bad guy civilians.
Quote from: mikeylikey on September 09, 2007, 04:08:53 PM
hahahahha.....perhaps you will take a trip to Iraq and see that that no matter what service you are in, you are also a LEO. Times haver changed, the CG is not the only branch to have to intercept bad guy civilians.
:)I have been to Iraq with the Coast Guard... twice! (2003 and 2004). I lost a shipmate there to a suicide bomber.
Comparing counter-insurgent(guerrilla warefare) Ops and Law Enforcement is like comparing apples and oranges, in my experience anyway.
Quote from: JC004 on September 09, 2007, 04:43:18 AM
Ms. Parker is the OPR and she interprets these rules. Basically, what she says, goes.
Think she might have enough stroke to get some of the loosly worded regs changed instead of having to interpret them for us?
Quote from: jaybird512 on September 09, 2007, 11:57:29 PM
Quote from: JC004 on September 09, 2007, 04:43:18 AM
Ms. Parker is the OPR and she interprets these rules. Basically, what she says, goes.
Think she might have enough stroke to get some of the loosly worded regs changed instead of having to interpret them for us?
Ask her to include the item for consideration in the next revision...
Quote from: Stonewall on September 08, 2007, 11:20:18 PM
Army Res Achievement Medal: Don't know, it showed up on my NG Form 22
The Army Reserve Components Achievement Medal is about the same as the Army Good Conduct Medal, but it includes officers as well and is specific to the reserves/guard.
(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/6613/myrackxf0.jpg)
(http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/9919/esogw0.jpg)
Quote from: jaybird512 on September 09, 2007, 11:57:29 PM
Quote from: JC004 on September 09, 2007, 04:43:18 AM
Ms. Parker is the OPR and she interprets these rules. Basically, what she says, goes.
Think she might have enough stroke to get some of the loosly worded regs changed instead of having to interpret them for us?
Anyone can make any suggestede change to the regs through their Chain of Command. Send me your email and I'll send you the MS Word Doc format. Your Wing King simply puts it forward as an agenda item for the National Board. Sometimes it goes to committee before, sometimes after the NB meeting.
Leo
Has the Cold War Victory Medal been approved for wear on the military/CAP uniform yet?
Never heard of it. Or maybe I have. I thought it was just a certificate or something. It's an actual award?
It is represented by the last ribbon on Jame's bar, above.
This medal has been up in Congress/Senate for approval for the past seven years. It had been approved by the House, but has been shot down at the upper levels every time it has been brought up. I personally think that it is a good idea hope it passes but my point is that it is not an official award, at least not yet. I did now know if the CAP had allowed for it's wear on the uniform.
The question is not really so silly as the Louisiana National Guard has been awarding it as a state award for a couple of years now.
There is an official award for members who were in during the Cold War. It is the Cold War Recognition Certificate. Currently(as far as I know), it is the only form of federal recognition for us Cold War Vets.
Here is a link on it.
http://www.coldwarveterans.com/cold_war_victory_medal.htm
Interesting. Learn something new every day.
I remember seeing the time frame and I think I qualified for this award. But I just spent $30+ on my ultrathin ribbon rack for the Air Guard so I don't want to have to buy another one until I have to add 2 ribbons to make it worth the money :P
I dont think that it is an official award, yet. It has been getting shot down every year for the past seven years.
Quote from: Stonewall on September 11, 2007, 10:49:10 AM
Never heard of it. Or maybe I have. I thought it was just a certificate or something. It's an actual award?
Nichts, boss... the Foxfall CW commemorative service medal design (as seen above) is approved only as a state award in the Louisiana NG, and perhaps others by now. The competing Medals of America commemorative medal hasn't been approved for official wear.
The Federales only give you the Cold War service certificate. There have been various attempts to introduce legislation to authorize a Cold War medal, but the DoD always balks at it and it eventually dies a quiet death in committee. Thus, the Cold War certificate looks good on your 'I Love ME!' wall, but it won't even get ya a cup of coffee or let you join the American Legion or VFW - unless you have other qualifying service periods.
If you're eligible to obtain the Cold War certificate, here's the linky: https://www.hrc.army.mil/site/active/tagd/coldwar/default.htm . Expect to get it back in about two months from application.
Cold War Service Certificate (sample):
(https://www.hrc.army.mil/site/active/tagd/graphics/certificate_sample.jpg)
Foxfall Cold War Commemorative Medal set (www.foxfall.com):
(http://www.foxfall.com/medals/cwm-set-full.jpg)
Medals of America Cold War Victory Medal commemorative set (www.usmedals.com):
(http://www.usmedals.com/ProductImages/ProdPixLarge/F233.jpg)
I own the Foxfall Cold War commemorative set; it's real nice but I sure as hell ain't gonna wear it on a CAP corporate or AF-style uniform unless the regs change. I'll occasionally wear the lapel pin or mini medal on a civvy tux.
Quote from: Stonewall on September 11, 2007, 10:57:29 AM
Interesting. Learn something new every day.
I remember seeing the time frame and I think I qualified for this award. But I just spent $30+ on my ultrathin ribbon rack for the Air Guard so I don't want to have to buy another one until I have to add 2 ribbons to make it worth the money :P
If your service falls between 2 Sept 1945 and 26 Dec 1991, you qualify for the cert. Personally, I think us former Cold Warriors who did time in any period that's already covered by a campaign or service medal (I served in the 'gap' between Vietnam and Desert Storm) should get a medal, but I'm gonna leave to the politicians to sort this out.
I showed up to basic training on in 11 Jul 91, so I guess I qualify.
Not having really served during the cold war, I did grow up during that time. I'll admit, it truly was a scary time in our history. I remember signing up for a trip to Europe through school when it got cancelled due to some threat, possibly terrorism, before terrorism was as big as it is today. I remember the "Nuclear Arms Race", "Star Wars" and the "Russian Bear". I remember watching Red Dawn and praying that if they attack us, it's via invasion with troops, not by nukes. I was young, give me a break. Red Dawn, in my pea brain, could have been a reality.
As for those of you who did serve during the coldest of the cold war, my hats off to you. I'm sure it wasn't easy.
Quote from: Stonewall on September 11, 2007, 11:31:02 AM
I showed up to basic training on in 11 Jul 91, so I guess I qualify.
...As for those of you who did serve during the coldest of the cold war, my hats off to you. I'm sure it wasn't easy.
I may joke today about my time serving as a 'former inmate' of 'Spang-Quentin Federal Penitentiary' (that's Spangdahlem Air Base, Germany for the humorless) but it was a deadly serious time during the last years of the Cold War:
Monthly chem warfare drills, usually kicked off by the GIANT VOICE PA system by the playing of the William Tell Overture (the Lone Ranger theme, for those who don't know classical music) at o-dark-thirty in the morning, punctuated by 'BASE RECALL, BASE RECALL, ALL PERSONNEL REPORT TO YOUR DUTY SECTION IMMEDIATELY!'. I still can't listen to that music and not be reminded.
Wearing hot, nasty chem war suits that left their charcoal residue on the pickle suit fatigues. Not very comfortable (to say the least) working in a kitchen - we were excused from wearing full chem gear while in the kitchen during drills; only time we put on the full get up was when 'EXERCISE ALARM RED' sounded.
Having the term 'the Russkies are only 15 minutes flying time away from wiping us off the face of the earth' (or some such variation) rammed down our throats. Learning BRASS MONKEY procedures while flying for the (now defunct) Spangdahlem Aero Club. (Simply stated, you didn't fly within 15 miles or so from the inner German border between then-West and East Germany, lest you get intercepted by the Zulu Alert birds from Bitburg.)
Sporting counter-propaganda stickers such as "SS-20: Nein, danke" ("SS-20: no thanks") and "Bundeswehr: mit Sicherheit JA!" ("German Armed Forces: YES to our security"). I still have the stickers plastered on one of my model rocketry range boxes.)
Looking back, it was an unusual time to live in, knowing that you were but a few minutes from being overrun by the godless Commies should war erupt. Aside from that, I came back to the 'Land of Round Doorknobs' with a preference for Deutsches Bier!
I'll chip in. Here is mine (not too exciting):
(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd316/DeputyDog_01/Medals.jpg)
Edit: I left off the bronze clasp on the Air Search and Rescue Ribbon. Oops.
AlphaSigOU,
At the risk of taking this thread off topic, You were a point on the tip of the spear.
What's better than a Bear? An Eagle with Sparrows.
Bitburg AB '78-'80
Quote from: Snake Doctor on September 11, 2007, 01:53:52 PM
AlphaSigOU,
At the risk of taking this thread off topic, You were a point on the tip of the spear.
What's better than a Bear? An Eagle with Sparrows.
Bitburg AB '78-'80
+10! And SPETSNAZ don't surf! ;D
Quote from: davedove on June 26, 2007, 05:08:14 PM
Here's mine:
1. Army Commendation Medal
2. Army Good Conduct Medal
3. National Defense Service Medal
4. Army Service Ribbon
5. CAP Leadership Ribbon
6. CAP Membership Ribbon
7. CAP Yeager Award
8. CAP SAR Find Ribbon
Updating my rack because I got my first Find.
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1051/1366048340_82e8ad3faa.jpg)
What did you find?
FYI... I just looked at eServices and found that I don't have the comm badge listed but I showed it on my rack. I know this is a major crime but I do have a CAPF 2A that says I'm legal to wear it.
Cleaned up and reopened. :)
Quote from: Pylon on December 13, 2007, 07:05:45 PM
Cleaned up and reopened. :)
Personally, I think we should get rid of this completely and start over... I cleaned up a few things on my host site and think I got rid of a few images that were shown before.... But that's just me.
Clean start? Can we?
Ok, no need for two active threads.
This thread is a little long. Post new material to the newer "Show us Your Rack Redux (http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=3775)" thread.