So I finally surrendered.
I have my Nameplate and Crest in hand...Crest with 4 pins, and the little plastic case with magnets. Is that the thing Eclipse will tell me to throw out? >:D
Nameplate was ok...I see a lot of glue around the Capt grade. How is it that the shield looks good, but the Capt looks like crap? Any safe way to clean that up?
Any suggested spacing between nameplate and crest, or just throw that together anyway I want?
The other thing...I need a blazer...
Any suggested on what to get? Something cheap, preferably.
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Blazer type, semi form-fitted, drape, single-breasted, two- or three-button
model with two lower patch pockets, optional breast patch pocket on left side.
Material is dark blue flannel, tropical worsted, or similar commercial blend.
Quote from: usafaux2004 on March 04, 2014, 11:52:55 PM
I need a blazer...
Any suggested on what to get? Something cheap, preferably.
Your local Goodwill or Salvation Army has exactly the blazer you need. It will run you about $10.
QuoteNameplate was ok...I see a lot of glue around the Capt grade. How is it that the shield looks good, but the Capt looks like crap?
What a shame to hear (from you and from earlier posters in another thread) that Vanguard is hot-gluing the grade insignia to the black nameplates now. The ones we used to get from CAPmart had a hole for the grade insignia, which was held on by a threaded bolt and a little knurled nut on the back. It meant you could reuse your nameplate for every rank - except Captain, which had two holes. Sounds like they cheaped out and discarded that system.
Yes, the pocket protector should be put first in the BBQ and then in the recycle bin.
Quote from: Eclipse on March 05, 2014, 04:45:55 AM
Yes, the pocket protector should be put first in the BBQ and then in the recycle bin.
So, what you're saying is "Kill It With Fire!"?
Yes - the ORM on just putting it in the recycle and its coal-black, wedgie-inducing soul being resurrected as
something else is just too high.
It must be dead before disposal.
So....on the blazer...any clues as to what dark blue means?
Dark navy, usually. That's what I've always seen.
If you can't find one used anywhere, I ended up getting mind from Galls. It appears that's the cheapest I was able to find.
Quartermaster Mens Poly Uniform Blazer (http://www.galls.com/quartermaster-mens-poly-uniform-blazer?PMSRCE=92350001&SESSIONID=000000069102578)
As far as quality goes... eh. It's good enough for something I wear every blue moon.
Dark enough that it looks black in most light.
Got it. Heaven forbid it's close to AF blue.
Quote from: usafaux2004 on March 05, 2014, 05:59:14 AM
Got it. Heaven forbid it's close to AF blue.
Well, last thing we want is for some Airman to see your tiny little captain's bars on your nameplate and salute you by accident.
Quote from: Panache on March 05, 2014, 06:49:25 AM
Quote from: usafaux2004 on March 05, 2014, 05:59:14 AM
Got it. Heaven forbid it's close to AF blue.
Well, last thing we want is for some Airman to see your tiny little captain's bars on your nameplate and salute you by accident.
Or claim "he tried to make me salute him!" and spread it all over
Air Force Times.If only we had a proper service coat and cap for that kit...but that ain't happening. >:(
I just recently ordered a blazer nameplate and it still has the screwback grade insignia. Perhaps the Captain nameplate is the only one that is glued?
In days of olde the Captain required a different namplate because it was made differently, this might be the compromise.
If that's the case, shouldn't they look as good as the opposite device?
Quote from: Panache on March 05, 2014, 05:35:39 AM
If you can't find one used anywhere, I ended up getting mind from Galls. It appears that's the cheapest I was able to find.
Quartermaster Mens Poly Uniform Blazer (http://www.galls.com/quartermaster-mens-poly-uniform-blazer?PMSRCE=92350001&SESSIONID=000000069102578)
As far as quality goes... eh. It's good enough for something I wear every blue moon.
I see your $45 and lower you $15
http://www.uniformswarehouse.com/prostores/servlet/-strse-924/Professional-Blazer/Detail (http://www.uniformswarehouse.com/prostores/servlet/-strse-924/Professional-Blazer/Detail)
Well, heck. I wished I knew about those about a year ago.
Quote from: Panache on March 05, 2014, 04:52:38 PM
Well, heck. I wished I knew about those about a year ago.
I can vouch for these being fairly durable as well. I have the black version of one of these and its holding up to fairly hard use in an environment where I really should be wearing a Dickies or Redkap jacket.
Quote from: VNY on March 05, 2014, 04:40:03 PM
Quote from: Panache on March 05, 2014, 05:35:39 AM
If you can't find one used anywhere, I ended up getting mind from Galls. It appears that's the cheapest I was able to find.
Quartermaster Mens Poly Uniform Blazer (http://www.galls.com/quartermaster-mens-poly-uniform-blazer?PMSRCE=92350001&SESSIONID=000000069102578)
As far as quality goes... eh. It's good enough for something I wear every blue moon.
I see your $45 and lower you $15
http://www.uniformswarehouse.com/prostores/servlet/-strse-924/Professional-Blazer/Detail (http://www.uniformswarehouse.com/prostores/servlet/-strse-924/Professional-Blazer/Detail)
I see your $45 and lower you $15
I See your $30 and lower you $15 :)
That is me on the Right, in my "Husky" Days, $ 10- $15 Goodwill.
Quote from: Devil Doc on March 05, 2014, 05:39:19 PM
Quote from: VNY on March 05, 2014, 04:40:03 PM
Quote from: Panache on March 05, 2014, 05:35:39 AM
If you can't find one used anywhere, I ended up getting mind from Galls. It appears that's the cheapest I was able to find.
Quartermaster Mens Poly Uniform Blazer (http://www.galls.com/quartermaster-mens-poly-uniform-blazer?PMSRCE=92350001&SESSIONID=000000069102578)
As far as quality goes... eh. It's good enough for something I wear every blue moon.
I see your $45 and lower you $15
http://www.uniformswarehouse.com/prostores/servlet/-strse-924/Professional-Blazer/Detail (http://www.uniformswarehouse.com/prostores/servlet/-strse-924/Professional-Blazer/Detail)
I see your $45 and lower you $15
I See your $30 and lower you $15 :)
That is me on the Right, in my "Husky" Days, $ 10- $15 Goodwill.
Yes, but for $15 more you can have both a new coat and save yourself the trouble if driving around looking for some relic of the Disco era that just happens to fit.
I think this is why so many people don't mind the corporate kit...it's cheap and not standardised.
About any white shirt, grey trousers and dark-blue jacket will work.
Quote from: CyBorg on March 05, 2014, 11:49:07 PM
I think this is why so many people don't mind the corporate kit...it's cheap and not standardised.
About any white shirt, grey trousers and dark-blue jacket will work.
They could at least specify item placement...they do for the shirt.
I used my Long/Short Sleeve Aviator underneath my Blazer, Lol. It said White Shirt. BTW, I found an cool Aviator Alternative for those guys not wanting to buy the Aviators.
http://www.army.mil/asu/changes.html (http://www.army.mil/asu/changes.html)
Army Class B White Shirt are Perfect for the Grays and Whites.
As a proud owner of the Ice Cream Man Uniform ASU I will warn you that some of the supply comes with military creases- which is a no-go in 39-1.
Edit: at least it is for the blues, I haven't checked for the G/Ws though. Maybe you're right but they are prohibited for other uniform combinations, so I'd hesitate before getting whites with the creases regardless of their mention in 39-1.
According to the 39-1, with the Gray and Whites, It does not say anything about the Sewn In Creases. As matter of fact it just says aviator style white shirt with Epaulettes.
Quote from: Devil Doc on March 06, 2014, 05:45:17 PM
I used my Long/Short Sleeve Aviator underneath my Blazer, Lol. It said White Shirt. BTW, I found an cool Aviator Alternative for those guys not wanting to buy the Aviators.
http://www.army.mil/asu/changes.html (http://www.army.mil/asu/changes.html)
Army Class B White Shirt are Perfect for the Grays and Whites.
Won't work... the private purchase (Marlow-White) Army white shirt straight off the rack has pre-sewn military creases (I haven't gone into the Redstone Arsenal MCSS to check and see if the DSCP Army-issue shirt already has the pre-sewn creases or not.) Military creases on the white shirt are
strengstens verboten in the draft 39-1, the current version is silent about them.
I dont see anywhere where it is not Allowed.
Quote from: Devil Doc on March 06, 2014, 06:51:19 PMI dont see anywhere where it is not Allowed.
It is written specifically to disallow security guard shirts - it identifies them three ways: sewn in creases, scalloped pockets and badge eyelets. Army shirts will not have the latter two.
Quote from: VNY on March 06, 2014, 07:35:45 PM
Quote from: Devil Doc on March 06, 2014, 06:51:19 PMI dont see anywhere where it is not Allowed.
It is written specifically to disallow security guard shirts - it identifies them three ways: sewn in creases, scalloped pockets and badge eyelets. Army shirts will not have the latter two.
Meaning: they want you to buy the one Vanguard sells.
Quote from: CyBorg on March 06, 2014, 08:15:21 PM
Quote from: VNY on March 06, 2014, 07:35:45 PM
Quote from: Devil Doc on March 06, 2014, 06:51:19 PMI dont see anywhere where it is not Allowed.
It is written specifically to disallow security guard shirts - it identifies them three ways: sewn in creases, scalloped pockets and badge eyelets. Army shirts will not have the latter two.
Meaning: they want you to buy the one Vanguard sells.
Not necessarily so... the manual specifies an 'aviator' shirt. By definition an 'aviator' shirt is a military-style uniform shirt with flap pockets and epaulets. Coincidentally, and I wouldn't have put it past them by design, Van Heusen makes a shirt branded 'The Aviator', which is - of course - sold by
Scamguard Vanguard. (They suck, in my opinion; there are better quality white 'aviator' shirts that more closely resemble the blue AF-style shirt with mitered pockets. Go to www.pilotshirts.com (http://www.pilotshirts.com) - their pinpoint oxford is what I wear for G/W.)
I've got the commander style shirts. Not sure how I feel about it. Seems a gray area by ommission. All nhq pictures always had the aviator shirts, ang VG stocking those screams 'intended' to me.
In the olde Bookstore/CAP Mart catalogs, the Van Heusen Aviator was specified. These are available, not only through Vanguard, but locally at pilot shops, which is my source. They are frequently a little cheaper there, and there's no shipping involved.
I like the look of the shirt that mimics the blues shirt, and when you do search for an "aviator shirt" on google images, it certainly shows all sorts, but again, I feel like the intent was to get a shirt wit pointy pockets, so here we are.
Several NB meetings ago, in Reno, I brought this subject up to Ms. Parker. Her response was the pocket style did not matter.
..and all those ICLs, manuals, and memos were written before the Big V handover.
As for what the *draft* says.. It's a -draft- so I wouldn't be weighing anything on it.
Quote from: arajca on March 07, 2014, 02:36:05 AMSeveral NB meetings ago, in Reno, I brought this subject up to Ms. Parker. Her response was the pocket style did not matter.
..and that is somewhat of an issue. Interpretations by non-member staffers.. have mostly been "correct-enough", but not always.
So Again, An Army ASU class B shirt can be worn.
Quote from: Devil Doc on March 07, 2014, 03:38:02 PMSo Again, An Army ASU class B shirt can be worn.
And is probably preferable, since its probably made to have stuff pinned on all over it.
Quote from: Devil Doc on March 07, 2014, 03:38:02 PM
So Again, An Army ASU class B shirt can be worn.
Even the DLATS (troop issue) ASU shirt has pre-sewn military creases. When the new 39-1 comes out it'll be verboten for wear.
Quote from: AlphaSigOU on March 07, 2014, 06:41:36 PMQuote from: Devil Doc on March 07, 2014, 03:38:02 PMSo Again, An Army ASU class B shirt can be worn.
Even the DLATS (troop issue) ASU shirt has pre-sewn military creases. When the new 39-1 comes out it'll be verboten for wear.
Every white shirt I use for CAP will be unauthorized when that regulation comes out.
Quote from: arajca on March 07, 2014, 02:36:05 AM
Several NB meetings ago, in Reno, I brought this subject up to Ms. Parker. Her response was the pocket style did not matter.
I have sometimes wondered if she is the arbiter of most things relating to uniform regulations.
I have a short-sleeved white shirt in the Air Force style cut and a long-sleeved one that I got at an Army/Navy but looks more like the Vanguard one.
I wonder if they'll both still be allowed.
Quote from: CyBorg on March 07, 2014, 07:05:03 PM
Quote from: arajca on March 07, 2014, 02:36:05 AM
Several NB meetings ago, in Reno, I brought this subject up to Ms. Parker. Her response was the pocket style did not matter.
I have sometimes wondered if she is the arbiter of most things relating to uniform regulations.
I have a short-sleeved white shirt in the Air Force style cut and a long-sleeved one that I got at an Army/Navy but looks more like the Vanguard one.
I wonder if they'll both still be allowed.
I've got both the Van Heusen Aviator (65%-35% poly/cotton poplin) and the Pilot House (also 65%-35%, but pinpoint oxford). The Pilot House shirt has the AF-style flap pockets (with a small strip of velcro on the top of the pocket flap to make it a top-loading pocket - I never use it that way); in my opinion it's a better shirt than the Van Heusen.
CAP needs to specify a particular brand of white shirt and gray trousers/slacks/skirt for uniformity. Until that happens, uniform wear will still be jacked up.
Quote from: AlphaSigOU on March 07, 2014, 08:13:53 PM
CAP needs to specify a particular brand of white shirt and gray trousers/slacks/skirt for uniformity. Until that happens, uniform wear will still be jacked up.
CAP uniforms will
always be jacked up.
Quote from: AlphaSigOU on March 07, 2014, 08:13:53 PM
Quote from: CyBorg on March 07, 2014, 07:05:03 PM
Quote from: arajca on March 07, 2014, 02:36:05 AM
Several NB meetings ago, in Reno, I brought this subject up to Ms. Parker. Her response was the pocket style did not matter.
I have sometimes wondered if she is the arbiter of most things relating to uniform regulations.
I have a short-sleeved white shirt in the Air Force style cut and a long-sleeved one that I got at an Army/Navy but looks more like the Vanguard one.
I wonder if they'll both still be allowed.
I've got both the Van Heusen Aviator (65%-35% poly/cotton poplin) and the Pilot House (also 65%-35%, but pinpoint oxford). The Pilot House shirt has the AF-style flap pockets (with a small strip of velcro on the top of the pocket flap to make it a top-loading pocket - I never use it that way); in my opinion it's a better shirt than the Van Heusen.
CAP needs to specify a particular brand of white shirt and gray trousers/slacks/skirt for uniformity. Until that happens, uniform wear will still be jacked up.
Not a brand, detailed specs. This style of pocket, functional epaulets, that style placket style, military creases (yes/no) etc.
*bleh*
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a302/USAFAUX2004/IMG_20140308_120642971.jpg) (http://s14.photobucket.com/user/USAFAUX2004/media/IMG_20140308_120642971.jpg.html)
Leave the tailor tag on there, it screams "Classy!".
Funny. What does 39-1 say? Make a statement maybe.
Quote from: usafaux2004 on March 08, 2014, 07:15:23 PM
Funny. What does 39-1 say? Make a statement maybe.
"That's my Mission Tailor specialty badge. You don't remember reading the CAPR on that?"