cadet grade now visible in Member search

[Tim Medeiros]

anyone else notice this?

[jeders]

yes

[SSgt Rudin]

but it's not all right, I have a cadet listed as a SSgt for who we are waiting for his Mitchell to post.  Upon closer review about 80% of my cadets have the wrong grade listed for them. I'll bet it's something on our end, sure do wish they would give Deputy Commanders the same access as Commanders, lot more would get done that way.

[Camas]

Sure do wish they would give Deputy Commanders the same access as Commanders, lot more would get done that way.

If you're listed as a deputy commander for cadets under "duty assignments" in e-services you should have exactly the same access to the "cadet promotions" restricted application as the unit commander.  You might want to check and ensure you're assigned in that position.  There are four separate permissions and you should  have all four assigned to you.

[stillamarine]

Ha. Got ya beat. We have a Senior Member 1st Lt who is showing as a c/Capt. She's been a senior for awhile now.

[Tubacap]

^This is obviously a case of a a forged birth certificate and she is really still a cadet.  You should check that out!

[SDF_Specialist]

What I'm noticing is that the cadets who have their grade listed is and NCO or higher. I'm looking at one cadet in my unit listed as C/SSgt. when she is a C/SMSgt.

[MIKE]

Probably because of the WBA.  Check to see that the other achievements are recorded correctly, if at all.

[RickFranz]

It would seem the information that National gets is what they post.  If they have a Wright Brothers Award and nothing else they post them as a SSgt.  I just checked all the cadets from our Squadron and found that their grade is correct.  I also have inputted all of there achievements and they are all up to date.  So I guess it's back to that old thing about garbage in garbage out.

[SDF_Specialist]

I think this is why it should have stayed listed as "CADET". Not every commander is going to update that as necessary. I can only guess that unit commanders have better things to do rather than update a cadet grade in eServices.

[kpetersen]

I think this is why it should have stayed listed as "CADET". Not every commander is going to update that as necessary. I can only guess that unit commanders have better things to do rather than update a cadet grade in eServices.

Then give permissions to the DCC or admin person to input the data.  Not everything has to be done by the commander.

[Tim Medeiros]

I think this is why it should have stayed listed as "CADET". Not every commander is going to update that as necessary. I can only guess that unit commanders have better things to do rather than update a cadet grade in eServices.

Then give permissions to the DCC or admin person to input the data.  Not everything has to be done by the commander.

Couldn't have said it better myself.  Any WSA can assign the Cadet Promotions restricted application and any modules associated with it, so if need be, have the WSA assign the permissions to the personnel officer or anyone the commander trusts with cadet records.

[jb512]

We've had similar issues too.  Most of our cadet's rank is accurate, but not all.  There is an option for the commander to give temporary access to what they have access to, but I wish there was a way to give it permanently rather than having to assign someone to a duty position for certain things.

[SDF_Specialist]

I think this is why it should have stayed listed as "CADET". Not every commander is going to update that as necessary. I can only guess that unit commanders have better things to do rather than update a cadet grade in eServices.

Then give permissions to the DCC or admin person to input the data.  Not everything has to be done by the commander.

I'm yet to receive permissions like that being Admin.

[RickFranz]

I think this is why it should have stayed listed as "CADET". Not every commander is going to update that as necessary. I can only guess that unit commanders have better things to do rather than update a cadet grade in eServices.

Then give permissions to the DCC or admin person to input the data.  Not everything has to be done by the commander.

You should be able to at least do the input as an Unit Admin.  Sounds like the problem is in getting the right permissions, and not so much the program update.

I'm yet to receive permissions like that being Admin.

[SDF_Specialist]

I can only do unit Admin through the WMU. I'm not going to complain about not having certain permissions. For me, it'll just be kicking sand up in clean water.

[arajca]

We've had similar issues too.  Most of our cadet's rank is accurate, but not all.  There is an option for the commander to give temporary access to what they have access to, but I wish there was a way to give it permanently rather than having to assign someone to a duty position for certain things.

Any permissions assigned by a WSA remain assigned until the member leaves CAP or the unit, or until the WSA unassigns them.

[kpetersen]

I'm yet to receive permissions like that being Admin.

You should be able to at least do the input as an Unit Admin.  Sounds like the problem is in getting the right permissions, and not so much the program update.

Ask your squadron commander.  Tell him/her "I want to update the cadets data into this program.  Would you give me permissions to the Administration module of the Cadet Promotions Application?" (That's the one that allows you to backdate the achievements.  Data Entry is for new achievements only, but if you do that paper work also, that's fine, if you can convince your CC.)  If he/she doesn't know how to (I've met CCs that don't), I'm sure one of the wonderful current CC's can give you the pathway.  I know its on the left hand side near the bottom to add permissions, but I don't have the exact name.

[Tim Medeiros]

I think this is why it should have stayed listed as "CADET". Not every commander is going to update that as necessary. I can only guess that unit commanders have better things to do rather than update a cadet grade in eServices.

Then give permissions to the DCC or admin person to input the data.  Not everything has to be done by the commander.

I'm yet to receive permissions like that being Admin.

You will need to contact your Web Security Administrator (WSA), most times that would be your commander.  You can find out by logging into eServices then going to Restricted Apps and WSA Info in the center then clicking on "My WSA Contact Listing".  This will give you the name, rank, email, scope and unit of assignment for all WSAs in your chain of command, be advised though this lists anyone with access to any module in the application, so if someone only has "View Permissions" or "WSA Reports" they would still be listed.

[jimmydeanno]

Wouldn't it make more sense to give the permissions to the personnel officer as opposed to the administration officer?

[SSgt Rudin]

Sure do wish they would give Deputy Commanders the same access as Commanders, lot more would get done that way.

If you're listed as a deputy commander for cadets under "duty assignments" in e-services you should have exactly the same access to the "cadet promotions" restricted application as the unit commander.  You might want to check and ensure you're assigned in that position.  There are four separate permissions and you should  have all four assigned to you.

I'm still waiting on my ES officer applications, and I was listed as ES officer 3 months before I became Deputy Commander. 

[RiverAux]

There is a lot of value in keeping as many records as possible in the national system, but with something that changes as often as cadet rank, I'm not sure the effort is worth whatever reward there might be. 

[mikeylikey]

^ If it were mandatory to begin doing Cadet Promotions in the New Services section, then the value of the Cadet Rank feature would be excellent.  But no, NHQ invents a tool that "may or may not be used" depending on how the SQD CC or Deputy CC is feeling.  Good to go NHQ!   :clap: :clap: :clap:

[RogueLeader]

Wouldn't it make more sense to give the permissions to the personnel officer as opposed to the administration officer?

Probably, but if your unit is like most that I've seen; it will go to the same person.

However, I do know what you mean.

[Matt]

I can only do unit Admin through the WMU. I'm not going to complain about not having certain permissions. For me, it'll just be kicking sand up in clean water.

That's ok... I was going through some records for GLR Cadet Comp and ran into something similar... apparently the server updates accordingly...  and Cadets will show with C/<Grade>.  Though, I haven't figured out if it also works if you update it with WMU... maybe I'll try next weekend...

[Jimbo]

To summarize, basically the reason why C/SSgt shows up more than anything else, is because the Milestone Awards, or where you submit paperwork to national documenting achievements is what NHQ will update for you if the eServices Cadet Promotions tracker is not utilized... so all in all, it will depict who is a Cadet Airman, who is a Cadet NCO, and who is a Cadet Officer.. mostly accurate

[addo1]

  Well, lets see.. eservices showed one of my chiefs as a Senior Member Major...

[addo1]

  Well, lets see.. eservices showed one of my chiefs as a Senior Member Major...

Let me add, that I am not sure what happened, but it is now fixed.