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Title: Fresh off graduation, these are the Air Force's first enlisted RPA pilots
Post by: sarmed1 on May 07, 2017, 11:10:11 PM
Found this interesting AF times article:

https://www.airforcetimes.com/articles/first-enlisted-rpa-pilots-graduate (https://www.airforcetimes.com/articles/first-enlisted-rpa-pilots-graduate)

The quote from one at the end was pretty interesting, about how the AF should really look into bringing back the Warrant program to keep pilots flying.


MK
Title: Re: Fresh off graduation, these are the Air Force's first enlisted RPA pilots
Post by: PHall on May 07, 2017, 11:32:12 PM
The Warrant Officer program will never return because The Chief's Mafia will not allow it.
Title: Re: Fresh off graduation, these are the Air Force's first enlisted RPA pilots
Post by: abdsp51 on May 08, 2017, 01:52:05 AM
AF has had enlisted flying drones for about 9 years now.  Small scale though.
Title: Re: Fresh off graduation, these are the Air Force's first enlisted RPA pilots
Post by: PHall on May 08, 2017, 03:16:23 AM
Quote from: abdsp51 on May 08, 2017, 01:52:05 AM
AF has had enlisted flying drones for about 9 years now.  Small scale though.

They've been the Sensor Operators, not the Pilots. These guys are Pilots.
Title: Re: Fresh off graduation, these are the Air Force's first enlisted RPA pilots
Post by: abdsp51 on May 08, 2017, 04:43:23 AM
Quote from: PHall on May 08, 2017, 03:16:23 AM
Quote from: abdsp51 on May 08, 2017, 01:52:05 AM
AF has had enlisted flying drones for about 9 years now.  Small scale though.

They've been the Sensor Operators, not the Pilots. These guys are Pilots.

Raven B...  drone flown by enlisted
Title: Re: Fresh off graduation, these are the Air Force's first enlisted RPA pilots
Post by: PHall on May 08, 2017, 05:25:21 AM
Quote from: abdsp51 on May 08, 2017, 04:43:23 AM
Quote from: PHall on May 08, 2017, 03:16:23 AM
Quote from: abdsp51 on May 08, 2017, 01:52:05 AM
AF has had enlisted flying drones for about 9 years now.  Small scale though.

They've been the Sensor Operators, not the Pilots. These guys are Pilots.

Raven B...  drone flown by enlisted

These guys are going to Predators, Raptors and Global Hawks.
Title: Re: Fresh off graduation, these are the Air Force's first enlisted RPA pilots
Post by: Tim Medeiros on May 08, 2017, 05:27:10 AM
Quote from: abdsp51 on May 08, 2017, 04:43:23 AM
Quote from: PHall on May 08, 2017, 03:16:23 AM
Quote from: abdsp51 on May 08, 2017, 01:52:05 AM
AF has had enlisted flying drones for about 9 years now.  Small scale though.

They've been the Sensor Operators, not the Pilots. These guys are Pilots.

Raven B...  drone flown by enlisted
Slight difference in scale there.


RQ-11:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/RQ-11_Raven_1.jpg/1280px-RQ-11_Raven_1.jpg)


RQ-4:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/RQ-4_Global_Hawk.jpg/1920px-RQ-4_Global_Hawk.jpg)



Title: Re: Fresh off graduation, these are the Air Force's first enlisted RPA pilots
Post by: Nick on May 08, 2017, 12:57:29 PM
Quote from: PHall on May 08, 2017, 05:25:21 AM
These guys are going to Predators, Raptors and Global Hawks.
I thought they're only flying unarmed UAS?


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Title: Re: Fresh off graduation, these are the Air Force's first enlisted RPA pilots
Post by: abdsp51 on May 08, 2017, 01:04:00 PM
Quote from: Tim Medeiros on May 08, 2017, 05:27:10 AM
Quote from: abdsp51 on May 08, 2017, 04:43:23 AM
Quote from: PHall on May 08, 2017, 03:16:23 AM
Quote from: abdsp51 on May 08, 2017, 01:52:05 AM
AF has had enlisted flying drones for about 9 years now.  Small scale though.

They've been the Sensor Operators, not the Pilots. These guys are Pilots.

Raven B...  drone flown by enlisted
Slight difference in scale there.


RQ-11:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/RQ-11_Raven_1.jpg/1280px-RQ-11_Raven_1.jpg)


RQ-4:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/RQ-4_Global_Hawk.jpg/1920px-RQ-4_Global_Hawk.jpg)

Yup.  But still operated by enlisted and have been since 2006.
Title: Re: Fresh off graduation, these are the Air Force's first enlisted RPA pilots
Post by: HGjunkie on May 08, 2017, 10:52:32 PM
Quote from: Nick on May 08, 2017, 12:57:29 PM
Quote from: PHall on May 08, 2017, 05:25:21 AM
These guys are going to Predators, Raptors and Global Hawks.
I thought they're only flying unarmed UAS?


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Yep, EPIC is sending them to Global Hawk only.
Title: Re: Fresh off graduation, these are the Air Force's first enlisted RPA pilots
Post by: Starbux on May 10, 2017, 01:10:54 AM
Quote from: PHall on May 08, 2017, 05:25:21 AM
Quote from: abdsp51 on May 08, 2017, 04:43:23 AM
Quote from: PHall on May 08, 2017, 03:16:23 AM
Quote from: abdsp51 on May 08, 2017, 01:52:05 AM
AF has had enlisted flying drones for about 9 years now.  Small scale though.

They've been the Sensor Operators, not the Pilots. These guys are Pilots.

Raven B...  drone flown by enlisted

These guys are going to Predators, Raptors and Global Hawks.

I used to fly the MQ-1 which is about to be retired finally.  I don't think they will get into the Reaper for a variety of reasons, one being weapons release authority.  The G-Hawk makes sense, because it really is not a pilot's airplane.  It is virtually all automated, it is essentially a terrestrial satellite.  It takes a flight plan that is loaded prior to takeoff and pretty much does it own thing once out of the terminal environment.  Unlike the General Atomics birds, the RQ-4 does not have any manual controls.  The MQ-1/9 can be flown like a normal airplane with a stick, throttle and rudders.  The RQ-4 has a target deck that it flies a prescribed route to capture a specific product for collection and analysis.  Really, all the pilot can do to alter its path is set an adhoc point for it to go to.  Other than takeoff and landing, these aircraft are way above any airspace that 99% of planes fly in short of the U2.  All the pilot really does with it is monitor its systems and navigation status and troubleshoots any abnormal or emergency procedures.   

So it makes sense to let enlisted crews fly it.  The only skills necessary to fly it are a decent technical background on how to troubleshoot problems and come up with a solution to best recover the aircraft.  That's my take on it.  The AF seems to be loosing people left and right in this career track, so maybe they may let the E's fly the MQ-9 on non-kinetic missions.  Right now the answer for that is to have civilian contractors fly the MQ-9 on pure ISR missions and if a kinetic event were to occur, the contractor will get bounced out of the seat while an officer takes a shot.  Then it will get handed back to the contractor to do post strike BDA. 
Title: Re: Fresh off graduation, these are the Air Force's first enlisted RPA pilots
Post by: Mustang on July 18, 2017, 08:36:19 AM
Quote from: PHall on May 08, 2017, 05:25:21 AMThese guys are going to Predators, Raptors and Global Hawks.

Reapers, not Raptors.