Civil Air Patrol Search and Rescue Mission Coordinator video (1972) with actor Robert Lansing (1928-1994):
Civil Air Patrol - SAR Mission Coordinator
(1972) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1_gk-bIL6Y#)
:)
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Boy! That one will take you back!!!
Any chance of an updated version. Maybe Christopher Walken as the narrator. Harrison Ford as the IC. Daniel Craig as the gritty mission pilot. ;D
Quote from: cpyahoo on February 14, 2012, 08:12:14 PM
Boy! That one will take you back!!!
Any chance of an updated version. Maybe Christopher Walken as the narrator. Harrison Ford as the IC. Daniel Craig as the gritty mission pilot. ;D
Christoper Walken would be an excellent choice as narrator! Walken in 2007: "I was eating in a restaurant in Singapore, and an Asian couple was at the next table, and the guy turned to me and he said, 'Chris, you know what this salad needs?' I said, 'What?' He said, 'More cowbell.'
I make gold records. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRU68EAhd8k#noexternalembed)
I like the part where the chick brings him a cup of joe!
Quote from: eaker.cadet on February 16, 2012, 08:07:40 PM
I like the part where the chick brings him a cup of joe!
"Chick? You're such a man!"
</Hooper X>
I I was a chick I would have said " I did not like the part where that lady got that dude a cup of coffe"
I found the acting very funny. If I picked up the phone today(as the alert officer) at that time, my wife would be like "who the hell is calling this time of day" If I askEd her to go get me a drink like the little wifey she should be, I would have two black eyes and would not be allowed to go play >:D.
I know this is old, but some might be interested to know that at least one, maybe two of the "actors" were actual CAP people.
The Mission Coordinator walls over and talks to the female officer, addressing her as "Dee."
That was Delight Miller, CA WG Operations staff.
When they send out the ground personnel, I think the first guy in the orange cap is Tom Valenzuela of the former Group 15 staff.
I don't think the takeoff shots were done at Chino, despite that being the "base." Looks to remote and the runway has poor surface.
I remember when this film
Came out. I was assigned to CA WG HQ. Giant howls of laughter ensued. Everybody wanted to know where CAP had been hiding that search base - none of us had ever seen it.
You say, "I did not like the part where that lady got that dude a cup of coffe".
This CAP officer has an environment where his family supports his committment to the Civil Air Patrol. This is the way that it should be! I assume that she put his dinner in the microwave when he returned home from the mission instead of saying, "your dinner is cold".
PS: As an AOBD, I spent 12 hours this past Saturday from 0730 to 1930 (local) working with four aircrews and two ground teams for an ES Training Mission. This does not include the many other hours that I spent searching for potential targets, coordinating with the Project Leader, and coordinating with the Incident Commander.
Quote from: skipperdan on August 06, 2012, 08:42:02 PM
This CAP officer has an environment where his family supports his committment to the Civil Air Patrol. This is the way that it should be! I assume that she put his dinner in the microwave when he returned home from the mission instead of saying, "your dinner is cold".
Microwave ovens weren't all that common in 1972. ;)
I know this video has been posted at least twice before (once by me ;)), but it still rocks!
Brings back memories to my 1st encampment in 1987 when I saw it on a big screen and all I could think was "wow, how BA is this".
Quote from: denverpilot on August 07, 2012, 01:21:27 AM
Quote from: skipperdan on August 06, 2012, 08:42:02 PM
This CAP officer has an environment where his family supports his committment to the Civil Air Patrol. This is the way that it should be! I assume that she put his dinner in the microwave when he returned home from the mission instead of saying, "your dinner is cold".
Microwave ovens weren't all that common in 1972. ;)
Rotary phone!
Quote from: usafaux2004 on August 07, 2012, 02:47:15 AM
Quote from: denverpilot on August 07, 2012, 01:21:27 AM
Quote from: skipperdan on August 06, 2012, 08:42:02 PM
This CAP officer has an environment where his family supports his committment to the Civil Air Patrol. This is the way that it should be! I assume that she put his dinner in the microwave when he returned home from the mission instead of saying, "your dinner is cold".
Microwave ovens weren't all that common in 1972. ;)
Rotary phone!
Oh, there were touch-tone phones around in 1972, but you paid extra for them. Remember, the phone company owned the phones back then.
Quote from: PHall on August 07, 2012, 02:56:02 AM
Quote from: usafaux2004 on August 07, 2012, 02:47:15 AM
Quote from: denverpilot on August 07, 2012, 01:21:27 AM
Quote from: skipperdan on August 06, 2012, 08:42:02 PM
This CAP officer has an environment where his family supports his committment to the Civil Air Patrol. This is the way that it should be! I assume that she put his dinner in the microwave when he returned home from the mission instead of saying, "your dinner is cold".
Microwave ovens weren't all that common in 1972. ;)
Rotary phone!
Oh, there were touch-tone phones around in 1972, but you paid extra for them. Remember, the phone company owned the phones back then.
My mom was born in 1971, so I don't remember much from back then. ;D
Quote from: PHall on August 07, 2012, 02:56:02 AMOh, there were touch-tone phones around in 1972, but you paid extra for them. Remember, the phone company owned the phones back then.
I've had a touch-tone phone in my residence since 1969.
As for the microwave, we had commercial Litton units in our college dorm lounges in 1967.
Quote from: SarDragon on August 07, 2012, 05:35:00 AM
Quote from: PHall on August 07, 2012, 02:56:02 AMOh, there were touch-tone phones around in 1972, but you paid extra for them. Remember, the phone company owned the phones back then.
I've had a touch-tone phone in my residence since 1969.
As for the microwave, we had commercial Litton units in our college dorm lounges in 1967.
as of 1998, at least, touch-tone was optional in Michigan. You actually had to pay extra for it.
Quote from: Garibaldi on August 07, 2012, 10:51:50 AMas of 1998, at least, touch-tone was optional in Michigan. You actually had to pay extra for it.
I'm calling BS on this one.
When mechanical telephone switches were in use, then yes, they charged extra because an adapter was needed to translate the tones to pulses so they would work with the switch.
But when electronic switches came into use the adapter was no longer needed. The Public Utilities Commissions in most states ruled that if the adapter wasn't needed, the telephone companies could not charge extra for touch-tone service.
But what do I know, I've only worked for Pacific Telephone-Pacific Bell- SBC Pacific Bell-SBC-AT&T since 1980.
But the last Strowger switch was in use in Michigan until 2003. ;)
Quote from: skipperdan on August 06, 2012, 08:42:02 PM
You say, "I did not like the part where that lady got that dude a cup of coffe".
This CAP officer has an environment where his family supports his committment to the Civil Air Patrol. This is the way that it should be! I assume that she put his dinner in the microwave when he returned home from the mission instead of saying, "your dinner is cold".
PS: As an AOBD, I spent 12 hours this past Saturday from 0730 to 1930 (local) working with four aircrews and two ground teams for an ES Training Mission. This does not include the many other hours that I spent searching for potential targets, coordinating with the Project Leader, and coordinating with the Incident Commander.
Was that in FL by any chance Sir?
Pretty cool. I joined CAP as a cadet in either 1972 or 1973 so this video is basically from my cadet era.
I found the profiling of the pilot interesting. Almost reminded me of a crime drama. I never knew that was part of the process. Perhaps before ELTs were common?
I also liked the variety of flight suits they were wearing. Quite an assortment that would send some current uniform crazies into a tizzy. >:D
QuoteI found the profiling of the pilot interesting. Almost reminded me of a crime drama. I never knew that was part of the process. Perhaps before ELTs were common?
It may be done less today since ELTs and radar have helped reduce search time, but even with them, pilot profiling still should be done as it was in the video. In today's world this includes checking social media sites, flight tracking sites and Internet searches of the pilot, plane and other bits of info. I still interview friends, family members, instructors, mechanics, etc.
Mike
Quote from: EMT-83 on August 07, 2012, 07:47:51 PM
But the last Strowger switch was in use in Michigan until 2003. ;)
Never heard of a "Strowger" switch. There are two types of mechanical switches. Step-by-step and Cross-bar.
Since I work for a Bell System company, all of the mechanical switches I've worked with have been made by Western Electric.
Quote from: PHall on August 07, 2012, 07:40:19 PM
Quote from: Garibaldi on August 07, 2012, 10:51:50 AMas of 1998, at least, touch-tone was optional in Michigan. You actually had to pay extra for it.
I'm calling BS on this one.
When mechanical telephone switches were in use, then yes, they charged extra because an adapter was needed to translate the tones to pulses so they would work with the switch.
But when electronic switches came into use the adapter was no longer needed. The Public Utilities Commissions in most states ruled that if the adapter wasn't needed, the telephone companies could not charge extra for touch-tone service.
But what do I know, I've only worked for Pacific Telephone-Pacific Bell- SBC Pacific Bell-SBC-AT&T since 1980.
I worked for Ameritech during that time. Yes, Michigan Bell charged extra for touch-tone service at that time. For some reason their outside plant was the worst in the region IIRC.
Quote from: PHall on August 08, 2012, 01:08:06 AM
Quote from: EMT-83 on August 07, 2012, 07:47:51 PM
But the last Strowger switch was in use in Michigan until 2003. ;)
Never heard of a "Strowger" switch. There are two types of mechanical switches. Step-by-step and Cross-bar.
Since I work for a Bell System company, all of the mechanical switches I've worked with have been made by Western Electric.
Siemens? Nortel? AT&T 5-ESS?
Quote from: Garibaldi on August 08, 2012, 01:16:56 AM
Quote from: PHall on August 08, 2012, 01:08:06 AM
Quote from: EMT-83 on August 07, 2012, 07:47:51 PM
But the last Strowger switch was in use in Michigan until 2003. ;)
Never heard of a "Strowger" switch. There are two types of mechanical switches. Step-by-step and Cross-bar.
Since I work for a Bell System company, all of the mechanical switches I've worked with have been made by Western Electric.
Siemens? Nortel? AT&T 5-ESS?
Siemens and Nortel were used after the AT&T break-up. Old school AT&T used Western Electric
only.
AT&T 5-ESS is the old Western Electric 5-ESS. Same machine built by the same people just built after Dec 1982.
We have a Nortel DMS-100 switch here in Riverside, CA (RVCA01) because we have large number of Federal and State Government offices who use Nortel's EBS phones, aka P-Phones. P-Phones will only work with a Nortel DMS switch.
One of the larger Verizon DMSs rebooted itself cabinet by cabinet a couple of weeks ago according to a friend who's systems were affected to the tune of over 40,000 busy signals.
I used to work in that biz. Amazing. A switch rebooting itself spontaneously. Ouch.
The funnier part? The official answer about why...
"No trouble found."
Only funny if you've worked in telco... ;)
Quote from: sardak on August 07, 2012, 11:51:33 PM
QuoteI found the profiling of the pilot interesting. Almost reminded me of a crime drama. I never knew that was part of the process. Perhaps before ELTs were common?
It may be done less today since ELTs and radar have helped reduce search time, but even with them, pilot profiling still should be done as it was in the video. In today's world this includes checking social media sites, flight tracking sites and Internet searches of the pilot, plane and other bits of info. I still interview friends, family members, instructors, mechanics, etc.
Mike
Interesting. I suppose my involvement has not been at a high enough level to know that was being done. What type of information have you been able to learn from speaking with instructors and mechanics that aided in the search? I understand that asking friends or family if they know the pilots destination, route of flight or en route stops is of high value but what other information discovered through these interviews has been helpful to you?
Quote from: PHall on August 08, 2012, 01:08:06 AM
Quote from: EMT-83 on August 07, 2012, 07:47:51 PM
But the last Strowger switch was in use in Michigan until 2003. ;)
Never heard of a "Strowger" switch. There are two types of mechanical switches. Step-by-step and Cross-bar.
Since I work for a Bell System company, all of the mechanical switches I've worked with have been made by Western Electric.
Strowger is the guy credited with inventing the step-by-step switch.
/derail
Quote from: denverpilot on August 08, 2012, 08:34:14 AM
"No trouble found."
Only funny if you've worked in telco... ;)
My favorite disposition code! :clap:
Quote from: David Vandenbroeck on August 08, 2012, 02:03:36 PM
Quote from: sardak on August 07, 2012, 11:51:33 PM
QuoteI found the profiling of the pilot interesting. Almost reminded me of a crime drama. I never knew that was part of the process. Perhaps before ELTs were common?
It may be done less today since ELTs and radar have helped reduce search time, but even with them, pilot profiling still should be done as it was in the video. In today's world this includes checking social media sites, flight tracking sites and Internet searches of the pilot, plane and other bits of info. I still interview friends, family members, instructors, mechanics, etc.
Mike
Interesting. I suppose my involvement has not been at a high enough level to know that was being done. What type of information have you been able to learn from speaking with instructors and mechanics that aided in the search? I understand that asking friends or family if they know the pilots destination, route of flight or en route stops is of high value but what other information discovered through these interviews has been helpful to you?
Pilot profiling is absolutely still done, if anything we have more tools to work with these days because of all the "social" media. This is something
that Planning is supposed to be working (or intel / PIO) and is covered fairly comprehensively in the AFRCC BISC and SMC classes.
A pilot may have posted on Facebook, or a site like "MyTransponder" that he's deviating because he sees a cloud / restaurant/ the largest tinfoil ball (they use their phones from the air all the time, regs and law be darned), or he may have tools and apps that automatically check into Four Square or the like. Etc., etc.
His demeanor when he left, whether he is working, is a high-time VFR with marginal IFR skills (these guys get in the soup all the time) - whether
there is something "shiny" enroute that might cause an unreported deviation that then gets him in fuel trouble (maybe his passenger wants to
see the mountains).
Profiling, flight plans, ATC check ins, and NTAP are all we have to work with until there
is an ELT to locate, and contrary to the assertions people want to make about technology, many times it fails, and the ELT will never activate or never be heard. Most searches are for overdue / missing pilots,
not a "crash" per se, and thankfully the majority are resolved with a ramp check, or other less "spectacular" results, and those investigations
are all about getting into the pilots head.
The BISC, for example, starts with a overflight ELT notice from commercial cross-country altitude. Doing the math on the reception distance gives you
a POD area a large as half a state, while the DF-ability of an ELT is only a few miles - you have to take that, plus the profile, and make an educated,
flexible guess as to where to best deploy your resources.
Those planning exercises tabletops, when done right, are a lot of fun, and highly effective in training PSC's and other search managers. It moves
the from the discipline from the typical brute-force procedures that most small missions use, to the mathematical / science realm of the physics of flight,
radio signal propagation, weather and related.