It's finally here!

[Grumpy]

Unit and Group CC badges still contain the incorrect MAJCOM and the HAP Arnold wings
which are no longer approved for CAP use.

Hopefully the aircrew wings are a "work in progress" "AC" in the center is kind of a Navy thing.

I think it's a great idea.  Those photographers have to work just as hard as the observers to qualify for flight crew.  Too bad the scanners can't get wings or maybe just have the AC wings apply to them as well.

[arajca]

On an aside, it's interesting that they put an online comment submission application in the eServices announcement. I guess that means when someone points out a misspelled word or gramatical error, it doesn't need to go through the chain of command.

[Eclipse]

Presumably anyone not an MO or MP would wear these, which I also support, a lot
of missions thee days are focused on the back seat crew.

I'm just hoping that the wings get better before they are done.  The CGAux a/c wings are nice.

[Eclipse]

This is what we should have for the graphics, not photos.

Simple to fix and update, no personalities, very clear and easy to use:



Chuck Corway (Alphasigu) had the idea with help from others locally.
They are exactly what this manual needs.

[JoeTomasone]

Blue BDU - Black undershirt now required.

One section permits brown for the woodland BDU (5.1.2.1), but permits only black in two others (5.1.2.4, 6.4.6.1.2.1).

[ranviper]

I like the black fleece idea. Similar to the sage green fleece I had in the Army with velcro name tapes and rank, except in black. Nice. Vanguard needs to get the dark blue name tapes for the BBDU's and perhaps with velcro for the fleeces as soon as this thing goes live, I wanna order them right away. haha.

[NIN]

Why would anyone be wearing a Blue Beret who hasn't gone to blue beret???

Blue Beret doesn't have a lock on the hat. ....

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

You can call the blazer anything you like, but it's not a "service uniform".

No, it is not, and we are still not given anything to wear with the G/W kit for cold weather (pullover jumper)...or a hat other than the goofy baseball cap which is more appropriate for polos than a "dressy" uniform.

Still, much of what I predicted - no deviation from the status quo - is in place.  I had hoped I would be wrong.

[JoeTomasone]

We also finally do not have to hunt down blue belts with open black buckles for the BDUs anymore - or pay Vanguard's high price for them; we can use the black Army web or rigger's belt.

5.1.2.6 Belt and Buckle. Dark blue or black, 1 ¼-inch woven cotton web, solid or woven
elastic belt with black metal tip end and plain (open faced) black buckle. Black tip may
extend up to 1 inch beyond the buckle, facing to the wearer's left (men) or facing wearer's
right or left (women). A black, one-piece rigger style, nylon, web belt (1 ¾ inch
wide) may be worn

[Mitchell 1969]

Thoughts:

Disappointed that you still can't wear the flight cap or military ribbons with the G/Ws.

You shouldn't wear military ribbons on non-military clothing. Simple as that. G/Ws are not a military uniform.  More or less the same goes for the flight cap. You're mixing military and civilian clothing. (seriously)

Cops wear military ribbons all over the country. As do VFW color guards, bikers in leather vests and lotsa others. In fact, a few years ago, a Secretary of Defense actually encouraged the practice of wearing military ribbons/medals on civilian clothes.

One of these days.....CAP will find itself explaining why a MOH holder can't wear the ribbon simply because his shirt is white. And the explanation will sound silly.

[NIN]

Doesn't make it right,  Bernie.  We are specifically told that mixing military and civilian is supposed to be verboten. 

[Eclipse]

And none of those organizations is beholden to a military service.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

Doesn't make it right,  Bernie.  We are specifically told that mixing military and civilian is supposed to be verboten.

Then why is the military flight cap allowed with the blue civilian flight suit?

Why is the blue Air Force tie allowed with the civilian G/W kit?

Why is the blue Air Force cardigan sweater allowed with civilian "corporate" kit?

[NIN]

You can wear the flight cap with the blue flight suit? Since when? 

The AF tie,  well it's a blue tie.  if it had Hap Arnold wings on it,  different matter. 

I agree, mixing the sweater and G/W seems to run counter.  Then again,  some components of the uniform are specifically allowed for wear with civilian clothes. Not sure if that is one. 

[Eclipse]

You can wear the flight cap with the blue flight suit? Since when? 

Forever, going back to the light blue nomex (not the smurf).

It's currently approved for the dark blue nomex, haven't checked on the draft.

Edit: checked, no longer approved.

[JeffDG]

Too bad you can't wear foreign civilian decorations on any uniform...I'd love to see people try to figure out what this one is:

[Eclipse]

Too bad you can't wear foreign civilian decorations on any uniform...I'd love to see people try to figure out what this one is:

French Crayola Theater?

[JeffDG]

You can wear the flight cap with the blue flight suit? Since when? 

Forever, going back to the light blue nomex (not the smurf).

It's currently approved for the dark blue nomex, haven't checked on the draft.

Only headgear approved for the corp flight suit is...the Baseball Cap.

But at least they removed the useless distinction between the blue flightsuit and the utility coveralls...now it's a flight suit in either nomex or poly-cotton.

[JeffDG]

Too bad you can't wear foreign civilian decorations on any uniform...I'd love to see people try to figure out what this one is:

French Crayola Theater?

Alberta Centennial Medal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_Centennial_Medal

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

It is beyond me that a baseball cap is still regarded as being appropriate for a non-work uniform like the G/W kit.

Etymologically speaking, a baseball cap is any cap you can wear while playing baseball.

Also...authorised or not, I remember seeing the flight cap quite frequently with the smurf suit.