Automatic PD progresions for Phase IV cadets

[lordmonar]

If/when a MSgt receives a line commission in the Air Force, he/she gets credit for time in service, but still gets commissioned as a 2d Lt, regardless of experience. And while he/she may wear any badge earned, he/she must go back to an appropriate school before assuming his/her new duties, again regardless of previous experience.

The reason for that is simple; the roles of NCOs and officers are different, just like the roles of CAP cadets and senior members are also different.

It's not an equivalent analogy - not unless you're talking about cadet NCOs, which we're not.  Unlike NCO training, Phase IV of the cadet program is about management.  The Tech Rating for CP doesn't even go that far, that's more what the Senior Rating deals with.  The Tech rating is about oversight, which the Cadet Program is about from Phase III.

More is expected of a Phase IV cadet than is expected of a Tech in CP.  Whether or not those in charge hold their people to those expectations seems to be in question, but the expectations should be there.  The consensus of those here is that it's better to treat any former cadet as if they were part of a failed program than to acknowledge the experience in the very program you don't want them to oversee.

It seems to me like there's a chip on some shoulders.  Do you know why we have such a dismal retention rate for older, higher achieving cadets?  It's because they are commonly treated like they're nothing.  "It's nice that you worked harder in CAP than most Level II SMs, but welcome to being a wog."

It would be nice to have someone who works CP at the national level weigh in, but they're probably dealing with real issues.  We get what we get.

I think it is a perfect analogy.  More is expect of an USAF MSgt then a 2d Lt........but we still make the MSgt be a 2d Lt and his AFSC is still dropped down to 2 level....even if he stays within his AFSC group.

It is not about a chip.....not really....if there is a chip it is on both sides of the story....Cadets who think that they have BTDT vs SM who only see the new SM's age and wonders why he's getting a "free ride".

Sure an 18 year old brand new CAP 2d Lt with a minty new car smell CP Tech Rating may not know as much as the 21 year old Ex-Cadet.......but there is also the 38 year old (current USAF MSgt) who was a AFJROTC Cadet, AFROTC Cadet, BSA Eagle Scout, 20 years as BSA scouter.....who has to start at the bottom just like that 18 year old off the street vs Spaatz cadet who may have impressed his local leaders but shows questionable judgment.....(anyone want to say C/Col King?) who get's the free ride.

Like I said before.....got nothing with giving credit where credit is good.......but no free rides.....I'm just asking that former cadets show/demonstrate the required knowledge as spelled out in the CAPP before awarding the rating (Tech or Senior).

[Майор Хаткевич]

Hahaha (the reference). He took his Last name very literally.