New Member - what is the correct headgear for the blue fat suit?

[Nomex Maximus]

Hi -

I am new. What is the correct headgear for the blue flight suit (you know, the one that tells everyone I am too fat to wear green, and the one that says the Air Force like people to think I am actually associated with the Navy instead)?

And,  does my leather name tag have to show my current qualification? I am in the process of transitioning from scanner to observer to mission transport pilot to mission pilot and I'd like to avoid having to get new name tags every two months... currently I have a "SR MBR" and  no rating even though I now am a scanner (ordered the tag a week before the squadron commander told me I was no a scanner)... and I am supposed to turn into a 2nd Lt  in October...

Thanks

John Babrick
MI-190

[pixelwonk]

Welcome to CAP Talk.

[MIKE]

Point of clarification:  Are we talking about the blue Nomex flightsuit or the utility uniform here?

[pixelwonk]

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[MIKE]

No it ain't... I just checked.

[Nomex Maximus]

The BLUE flight suit, not the overalls. Also, what do they mean by the flight cap "device"?

I just got my flight suit three hours ago and am sending it back - need a larger size. Or a diet!

[IceNine]

flight cap device from vanguard
Product Number CAP0748OA price $4.15

www.civilairpatrolstore.com
insignia
cap devices
you will see this item as line item 5 with no image but the first image on the page is the same only larger

[Eagle400]

Nomex Maximus, didn't they cover that in your Level I?  Last I checked, the uniform is discussed in the course. 

[Pylon]

Nomex Maximus, didn't they cover that in your Level I?  Last I checked, the uniform is discussed in the course. 

Or you could not be such an ass to other people.

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Nomex -- In addition to the advice of people from here, check out CAPM 39-1, the CAP Uniform Manual.

[jimmydeanno]

Nomex Maximus, didn't they cover that in your Level I?  Last I checked, the uniform is discussed in the course. 

Or you could not be such an ass to other people.

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Nomex -- In addition to the advice of people from here, check out CAPM 39-1, the CAP Uniform Manual.

^ WOOOOH!

[Capt M. Sherrod]

Nomex Maximus, didn't they cover that in your Level I?  Last I checked, the uniform is discussed in the course. 

How would you know what was covered in Level 1?  By your own words,

Why are you so active on this board with opinions on EVERYTHING but not a member of CAP?

I have neither the time nor the money for CAP right now.

Seems to me, and a lot of other folks on this forum that you should not be responding to questions you have no business or knowledge answering....

Nomex -- as Pylon indicated, 39-1 (Uniform Manual) is our guidance for most Uniform Questions - the grey areas can usually be filled in by the folks on this board who are currently members and are trying to make the organization better, rather than the detractors on here for their own personal reasons.  YMMV

[Eagle400]

Nomex Maximus, didn't they cover that in your Level I?  Last I checked, the uniform is discussed in the course. 

Or you could not be such an ass to other people.

All I did was ask the person a question.  Nothing condascending in the way I asked it.  Sorry if it came off the wrong way.   

[mikeylikey]

Gentleman..........lets not discriminate against people based on thier membership status in CAP.  We all learn from members and non-members alike.  However........lets keep it clean!  I am trying very hard to improve how I "come off" on the board.  Less of "he is an Ass", more of "he is awesome" is what I am striving for!

[JohnKachenmeister]

Nomex Maximum... That's cool.  I like that!

Your flight cap device is the officer cap insignia in a reduced size that we wear in place of a rank device on the flight cap.  BTW... make sure you get the right flight cap.  A blue trim braid is for enlisted, we don't wear that.  The mixed silver and blue braid is for officers.  Get that one.  The solid silver braid is for generals.  

Once you are a pilot, and pass your form 5, you are a pilot regardless of follow-on mission qualifications.  Your pilot badge does not change until you reach senior pilot status, and that will take a few years.  There is no distinction between the basic form 5 qualified pilot, Cadet O-flight pilot, Transport pilot, Form 91 qualified Mission pilot on the leather badge.

You can be a form 5 pilot, AND a mission scanner as your only mission qualification.  You still wear pilot wings.

Alternative plan:  Get a golf shirt and a pair of gray pants to wear when flying until your 2nd Lt grade comes through.  There's no rank worn on the golf shirt.

[Eagle400]

Gentleman..........lets not discriminate against people based on thier membership status in CAP.  We all learn from members and non-members alike.  However........lets keep it clean!  I am trying very hard to improve how I "come off" on the board.  Less of "he is an Ass", more of "he is awesome" is what I am striving for!

I am also trying very hard to improve how I "come off" on the board.  However, I have a feeling that some people are going to be biased against me no matter what.  Some people are like that.  It's a fact of life.   

However, that doesn't mean everyone is like that.  I just wish that more people focused on the substance of posts rather than the delivery.  One of the problems with written communication is that things can come off the wrong way based on interpretation.  Such was the case with my comment about Level I and uniforms.  Had I said that in public, it would have all depended upon how I would have said it (and believe me, I would have said it with the right tone).

That's all.       

[Nomex Maximus]

Thanks all for the advice. I did read 39-1 and still had questions. Everyone at my squadron wears the golf shirt - which I just dislike.  Then, I went on my first practice mission and everyone there was in a green filght suit except me and my folks in our golf shirts. Since I just miss the weight limits by just a little bit  I need the blue flight suit and the manual isn't real clear about a few things.

Thanks again

--Nomex

[RogueLeader]

Ok, What specific questions do you still have?

[MIKE]

I hope you ordered the new navy blue color instead of the ultramarine one that is being phased out.

[mikeylikey]

^  Are they still selling the ultramarine blue ones?  IF so......WHY?

[MIKE]

I dunno... But flightsuits.com had both colors IIRC.

[O-Rex]

^  Are they still selling the ultramarine blue ones?  IF so......WHY?

Ultramarine blue flightsuits have a phase-out date of 2009.

Vanguard's navy-blue nomex flightsuits are way too expensive.  there are cheaper ones out there: I got one for $185 (and no, I didn't get it on ebay.)

Also, I've seen folks with the blue utility uniform (looks like a flightsuit, but not nomex.) they are made of polycotton twill (like the heavyweight BDU's) and they FADE....

Once in a while you find the now-obsolete USAF Missile Crewman's 100% Nylon jumpsuit that makes a pretty sharp utility uniform (wouldn't fly with it, but it makes a good "mission base" uniorm.)

Don't know why, but I kind of like the blue bags (I'm not ditching the green ones, though.)

[JayT]

I wear the navy blue utility uniform as my normal duty uniform.

No headgear is required for it.

[O-Rex]

I got my nomex Blue-Bag though Aureus International for just a little over $200 including shipping.   You have to specify "no epaulets."

http://www.imall3d.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=FS10&Category_Code=fc&Store_Code=aureus

[SARMedTech]

I wear the navy blue utility uniform as my normal duty uniform.

No headgear is required for it.

Ive been tempted to do the same but evertime I think of getting one, I picture the fellow in the uniform manual who must truly be wear the nick-name "blue bag." Its funny...the women look fine in the CAP distinctives in the manual, but the men look like SOS.

[JayT]

Honestly? With college and everything it was the best thirty bucks I ever spent. Add in a thirty dollar blue flight jacket that I can wear with the DFUs, and its a steal.

[DrDave]

With the Aureus International flight suits, is their "Navy" color the correct dark blue for our new zoom bags?  (And I assume their "Royal Blue" is the color CAP is phasing out?)

Where do you specify "no epaulets" on their order form, I didn't see that option at the bottom of your link page.

Thanks,
Dr, Dave

[O-Rex]

With the Aureus International flight suits, is their "Navy" color the correct dark blue for our new zoom bags?  (And I assume their "Royal Blue" is the color CAP is phasing out?)

Where do you specify "no epaulets" on their order form, I didn't see that option at the bottom of your link page.

Thanks,
Dr, Dave

Their 'Navy' is Dark blue.  When I ordered mine, they came with epaulets, had to send it back.  If in doubt, call for verificaton.

It's a good-quality suit: as good as Flightsuits Ltd. (I had one of those in Royal Blue some years back.)  Zippers are black oxide, and the nomex material is of slightly heavier weight than the Sage Green Mil version.

[DrDave]

Thanks, O-Rex!
Dr. Dave

[Dragoon]

To answer your question.

According to 39-1 the headgear authorized for the CAP blue flight suit is either the flight cap (same one worn with the green flightsuit) or "CAP Baseball Cap" which presumably is either any ball cap sold by vanguard or whatever ones are authorized in your wing.

Interestingly enough, the CAP blue utility uniform which looks EXACTLY LIKE the CAP flight suit except it's not nomex, does not rate the flight cap.  Go figure.