wearin white aviator shirt

[Grumpy]

I'm having problems finding the answer to this in 39-1.  The question is:

Do senior members without grade wear the CAP cuts outs on the collar of the white shirt like they do with the AF blue shirt?

Thank you in advance

[ßτε]

No, they do not.

[Brad]

Nope. It doesn't list them, so don't wear them.

[Grumpy]

I assume that goes for the gray sleeves too

[a2capt]

Those blank gray sleeves are for pinning enlisted rank on, and there's not supposed to be cutouts as it's not listed. None of the photos have them on them either. There's no reason to make the white shirt "distinctive" over the blue's uniform with nothing else other than the "tiny" print on the name plate, that otherwise could be a new AF member .. or .. something like that.

[PHall]

I assume that goes for the gray sleeves too

Seriously, YOU'RE asking this question???    Have you been taking your meds?

(I know Grumpy, and he knows I'm havin fun with his brain!)

[Grumpy]

I thinks that's the problem.  Naw, somebody told me there had been some recent changes such as that and that the cadets could wear the blue barret in CAWG now.  I haven't found the changes so I'm just checking.

[Майор Хаткевич]

ICL from National circa last year.

Nothing about G/W changes.

[a2capt]

The CAWG supplement only covers:

The CAWG GT uniform.
Sailplane operations
Shoulder cords
..and the wing patch size vs. location difference.

Nothing about berets, authorized patches, etc.

I have a simple solution for the Blue Beret problem. Specify a uniform for the activity, unit meeting, etc.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Again, the NHQ ICL authorized the BB at CAWG as well as in the other 51 wings...

[Eclipse]

Again, the NHQ ICL authorized the BB at CAWG as well as in the other 51 wings...

Not with whites...

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

It's not listed in 39-1, but I see it widely done nonetheless.

[Eclipse]

It's not listed in 39-1, but I see it widely done nonetheless.

You've seen members wearing the Blue Beret with whites?

I would be handing out atomic wedgies like they were free!

[NIN]

I would be handing out atomic wedgies like they were free!

Where do I sign for tickets to this show? LOL

[Майор Хаткевич]

I didn't and don't see the link between G/W Changed and the BB changes. To me they appear to be separate questions in separate posts.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

You've seen members wearing the Blue Beret with whites?

I would be handing out atomic wedgies like they were free!

Erh...no.

I've seen the whites being worn by SMWOG with the CAP collar brass.

I've also seen the blank epaulette sleeves being worn by SMWOG, both with blues and with G/W.

A blue beret, or any other colour beret, as long as it is worn without insignia, could be wearable with the G/W, as it is civilian headgear.

I've thought of getting an RAF blue-grey beret to wear (again, without insignia) with the G/W.

I've even seen Greek fisherman's hats worn with the G/W.

[ßτε]

I can't find in the CAPM 39-1 that civilian headgear is authorized for the G/W. Where is it authorized?

[Brad]

I can't find in the CAPM 39-1 that civilian headgear is authorized for the G/W. Where is it authorized?

Actually CAPM 39-1 Table 4-3 item 9 says: "Headgear is not required but a CAP baseball cap may be worn." So fooey on them and good call on you!

[Майор Хаткевич]

By far, the lack of headgear is what makes it a non-uniform for me. Indoors, it's fine. Outdoors...can't help but reach for a non-existent flight cap.

[Abby.L]

By far, the lack of headgear is what makes it a non-uniform for me. Indoors, it's fine. Outdoors...can't help but reach for a non-existent flight cap.

"I coulda swore I just had my flight cap right here..."

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

Actually CAPM 39-1 Table 4-3 item 9 says: "Headgear is not required but a CAP baseball cap may be worn." So fooey on them and good call on you!

And they never say what kind of "CAP baseball cap" they mean...

[ßτε]

Actually CAPM 39-1 Table 4-3 item 9 says: "Headgear is not required but a CAP baseball cap may be worn." So fooey on them and good call on you!

And they never say what kind of "CAP baseball cap" they mean...

The only logical answer is the same kind that is authorized for the other uniform combinations. I don't see more than one kind even mentioned.

[vento]

Actually CAPM 39-1 Table 4-3 item 9 says: "Headgear is not required but a CAP baseball cap may be worn." So fooey on them and good call on you!

And they never say what kind of "CAP baseball cap" they mean...

Perhaps this can help you substantiate a loose interpretation of baseball hat?  :angel:  J/K!

[Private Investigator]

I can't find in the CAPM 39-1 that civilian headgear is authorized for the G/W. Where is it authorized?

That is why you see new Senior Members in G/W with a flight cap. 

[Blues Brother]

Actually CAPM 39-1 Table 4-3 item 9 says: "Headgear is not required but a CAP baseball cap may be worn." So fooey on them and good call on you!

And they never say what kind of "CAP baseball cap" they mean...

Perhaps this can help you substantiate a loose interpretation of baseball hat?  :angel:  J/K!

I didn't realize popped collars were in style in the 20's.  LOL

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

Actually CAPM 39-1 Table 4-3 item 9 says: "Headgear is not required but a CAP baseball cap may be worn." So fooey on them and good call on you!

And they never say what kind of "CAP baseball cap" they mean...

The only logical answer is the same kind that is authorized for the other uniform combinations. I don't see more than one kind even mentioned.

The logic fails because they do not list any specific type for any uniform combination.

Do they mean:

1. The ones you must get from VG?  If so, say so.
2. What about ones such as this on Evilbay?



3. Just take a plain baseball cap, stick a CAP crest on it?

That is why you see new Senior Members in G/W with a flight cap. 

Really?  I've not seen that.  I'm not doubting your word; just I haven't seen it.

[Eclipse]

2. What about ones such as this on Evilbay?

Probably one of the worst offenses against design, standards, and simple taste I have seen in a CAP context.
Some goof opens MS paint and crams about 4-6 logos together and then our misguided members actually buy them.

I have passed out a significant amount of grief to people who show up wearing this piece of trash.

[The Infamous Meerkat]

Apparently the makers of that thing didnt read the bit in the 39-1 that says it's only supposed to be a unit crest one inch off of the bill. . . Either that or I'd hate to be a part of THAT unit.

[Nuke52]

Actually CAPM 39-1 Table 4-3 item 9 says: "Headgear is not required but a CAP baseball cap may be worn." So fooey on them and good call on you!

And they never say what kind of "CAP baseball cap" they mean...

Perhaps this can help you substantiate a loose interpretation of baseball hat?  :angel:  J/K!

I didn't realize popped collars were in style in the 20's.  LOL

Umm, when haven't they been in style?!?   

[Private Investigator]

That is why you see new Senior Members in G/W with a flight cap. 

Really?  I've not seen that.  I'm not doubting your word; just I haven't seen it.

One was a combat Veteran of the Army and now a senior citizen who thought all uniforms needed a hat. The second is a medical doctor who way over thinks everything in CAP.

[Private Investigator]

2. What about ones such as this on Evilbay?

Probably one of the worst offenses against design, standards, and simple taste I have seen in a CAP context.
Some goof opens MS paint and crams about 4-6 logos together and then our misguided members actually buy them.

I have passed out a significant amount of grief to people who show up wearing this piece of trash.

Roger that, I have too.

I could see people in Air Cav wearing a stetson but CAP members wearing a 'Crocodile Dundee' hat or a 'Maverick' cowboy gambler hat is a little much   

[davedove]

2. What about ones such as this on Evilbay?

Probably one of the worst offenses against design, standards, and simple taste I have seen in a CAP context.
Some goof opens MS paint and crams about 4-6 logos together and then our misguided members actually buy them.

I have passed out a significant amount of grief to people who show up wearing this piece of trash.

Roger that, I have too.

I could see people in Air Cav wearing a stetson but CAP members wearing a 'Crocodile Dundee' hat or a 'Maverick' cowboy gambler hat is a little much   

Well, maybe if they were grey....

[Cliff_Chambliss]

I could see people in Air Cav wearing a stetson but CAP members wearing a 'Crocodile Dundee' hat or a 'Maverick' cowboy gambler hat is a little much   
[/quote]

And what's what's wrong with my Stetson?  (It would add way too much class to the GW however)

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

And what's what's wrong with my Stetson?  (It would add way too much class to the GW however)

What about the RAAF's "Aussie" hat (keeping with the Crocodile Dundee theme)?


(modelled here by an RAAF Air Cadet)

[Nuke52]

2. What about ones such as this on Evilbay?

Probably one of the worst offenses against design, standards, and simple taste I have seen in a CAP context.
Some goof opens MS paint and crams about 4-6 logos together and then our misguided members actually buy them.

I have passed out a significant amount of grief to people who show up wearing this piece of trash.

Oh, I don't know...  I think it has a certain appeal to it, especially to the NASCAR crowd (no offense to them--well, okay, maybe a little...).

[Stonewall]

2. What about ones such as this on Evilbay?

Probably one of the worst offenses against design, standards, and simple taste I have seen in a CAP context.
Some goof opens MS paint and crams about 4-6 logos together and then our misguided members actually buy them.

I have passed out a significant amount of grief to people who show up wearing this piece of trash.

Oh, I don't know...  I think it has a certain appeal to it, especially to the NASCAR crowd (no offense to them--well, okay, maybe a little...).

As much appeal as this?

[Garibaldi]

And what's what's wrong with my Stetson?  (It would add way too much class to the GW however)

What about the RAAF's "Aussie" hat (keeping with the Crocodile Dundee theme)?


(modelled here by an RAAF Air Cadet)

Wasn't this yahoo at the MAWG encampment? 

[Nuke52]

2. What about ones such as this on Evilbay?

Probably one of the worst offenses against design, standards, and simple taste I have seen in a CAP context.
Some goof opens MS paint and crams about 4-6 logos together and then our misguided members actually buy them.

I have passed out a significant amount of grief to people who show up wearing this piece of trash.

Oh, I don't know...  I think it has a certain appeal to it, especially to the NASCAR crowd (no offense to them--well, okay, maybe a little...).

As much appeal as this?

Shake and bake!!

The good ole #46 car is exactly what came to mind when I saw that bodacious SAR cap...

[Abby.L]

2. What about ones such as this on Evilbay?

Probably one of the worst offenses against design, standards, and simple taste I have seen in a CAP context.
Some goof opens MS paint and crams about 4-6 logos together and then our misguided members actually buy them.

I have passed out a significant amount of grief to people who show up wearing this piece of trash.

Oh, I don't know...  I think it has a certain appeal to it, especially to the NASCAR crowd (no offense to them--well, okay, maybe a little...).

As much appeal as this?

Whoa, whoa, whoa. CAP actually HAD a car in the series? 

And hey there, I rather like NASCAR...

[SarDragon]

It was in what is now the Nationwide Series. He was a middle of the pack driver - not great, not horrible. CAP sponsored him for two years (2001, 2002).

[a2capt]