Quiet and Casual defunding of CD not being discussed

Started by Eclipse, July 03, 2019, 05:11:23 PM

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Eclipse

So why is nothing being made of the defunding of the counterdrug mission?

This seems to have dropped completely under the radar, despite it being a
big consumer of airframe hours in some states.

"That Others May Zoom"

Holding Pattern

Do you have a link to the information you are presenting?

Eclipse

How do you link to a negative?

The USAF isn't funding CD anymore (at least this FY).

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Holding Pattern

Quote from: Eclipse on July 03, 2019, 06:47:54 PM
How do you link to a negative?

The USAF isn't funding CD anymore (at least this FY).

Well, start to a link of prior funding from a document that lists the amounts, then show the line item missing from this FY?

jeders

Quote from: Eclipse on July 03, 2019, 05:11:23 PM
So why is nothing being made of the defunding of the counterdrug mission?

Because it's not happening? We're still flying lots of CD missions down here, so my guess is it's local to your wing/region.
If you are confident in you abilities and experience, whether someone else is impressed is irrelevant. - Eclipse

Eclipse

Quote from: jeders on July 03, 2019, 06:53:58 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on July 03, 2019, 05:11:23 PM
So why is nothing being made of the defunding of the counterdrug mission?

Because it's not happening? We're still flying lots of CD missions down here, so my guess is it's local to your wing/region.

Are those customer funded or USAF funded?

"That Others May Zoom"

etodd

Surely the legalization of marijuana in so many places, and decriminalization in other places,  is biting into this mission.
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Breathe in, breathe out, move on ..."

lordmonar

Quote from: Eclipse on July 03, 2019, 07:05:36 PM
Quote from: jeders on July 03, 2019, 06:53:58 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on July 03, 2019, 05:11:23 PM
So why is nothing being made of the defunding of the counterdrug mission?

Because it's not happening? We're still flying lots of CD missions down here, so my guess is it's local to your wing/region.

Are those customer funded or USAF funded?
Yes.

The customer funds them via the USAF.

It is the same old story since the dawn of time.   Local counter drug authorities fund the local CD operations.

Now.....here's the question.

Anyone been watching the the general push to decriminalize a certain drug that was the primary target of most CD flights?

Now ask yourself.....why there may be a drop in the number of CD flights requested/funded.

So...yes I'm not surprised at all that there would be a drop in the CD missions.
PATRICK M. HARRIS, SMSgt, CAP

OldGuy

Soon though, the states with "legal" pot will start funding CD ops to get those darned untaxed and therefore illegal pot growers identified.

Mitchell 1969

Quote from: OldGuy on July 04, 2019, 05:54:00 PM
Soon though, the states with "legal" pot will start funding CD ops to get those darned untaxed and therefore illegal pot growers identified.

CAP as "revenooers?"Give me a break!


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TheSkyHornet

In our wing, we don't even fly counter-drug operations (at least not in association with our state; we've flown them for neighboring states), despite our state not being a legalized locale.

Is the counter-drug mission being defunded, or are counter-drug missions not as necessary?

Eclipse

Quote from: TheSkyHornet on July 05, 2019, 06:25:27 PM
Is the counter-drug mission being defunded, or are counter-drug missions not as necessary?

I believe it is both, at least in as much as I have been told.

Locally-funded missions for agencies where cannabis has been decriminalized and/or outright legalized
going away as a matter of course, and the USAF not funding CD missions either (my wing / region had both).

https://www.mpp.org/states/


The sociopolitical "why" is essentially irrelevant (though it is going to start effecting CAP and
can't be ignored by NHQ too much longer), however the ramifications for CAP in some states
will be non-trivial.

In some cases CD flying accounted for 1/2 an airplane or more worth of hours, and may have been the
impetus behind one or another airframe being stationed in a given area or wing. 

Much as when COPAS-SARSAT stopped monitoring 121.5, with the result being significantly less
non-distress / overnight CAP activation and hours, this too will result in less flight hours, less
training days and requirements, and overall "less CAP".

Yet nary a mention anywhere.

"That Others May Zoom"

TheSkyHornet

Does CAP need to be performing counter-drug functions? Does that funding need to be available?

Is it a legitimate statement that CAP has had a reduction in counter-drug funding, or is that not actually the case? Can we see the budget?

Eclipse

Quote from: TheSkyHornet on July 05, 2019, 08:58:44 PM
Does CAP need to be performing counter-drug functions? Does that funding need to be available?
To me, this has always been a questionable practice at best, at put CD aircrews at a risk better assumed by sworn LEOs.

Quote from: TheSkyHornet on July 05, 2019, 08:58:44 PM
Is it a legitimate statement that CAP has had a reduction in counter-drug funding, or is that not actually the case? Can we see the budget?

Good luck with that - you could probably do past reporting through WMIRS with the right access, but future
stuff was always a black mirror when I was involved.

"That Others May Zoom"

sardak

Looking at the financial reports available on the NHQ website:

Operating Expenses - Counterdrug
2017 - $1, 257,794
2016 -     $871,871
2015 -     $837,872
2014 -     $791,502
2013 -     $662,572

There is no financial report posted for 2018 but the Report to Congress is, and it shows:  Counterdrug & Drug Interdiction/Homeland Security  5 missions, 1,447 sorties, 3,450 hours.
There are no Reports to Congress posted for years between 2008 and 2018.  The report format and content varies between years, so no meaningful comparison can be made between the 2018 report and the earlier ones.

Mike

OldGuy

CD missions are generally quiet and assigned only to established aircrews. Without getting into details, I can assure you they still happen.

Eclipse

Quote from: sardak on July 05, 2019, 11:42:27 PM
Looking at the financial reports available on the NHQ website:

Operating Expenses - Counterdrug
2017 - $1, 257,794
2016 -     $871,871
2015 -     $837,872
2014 -     $791,502
2013 -     $662,572

There is no financial report posted for 2018 but the Report to Congress is, and it shows:  Counterdrug & Drug Interdiction/Homeland Security  5 missions, 1,447 sorties, 3,450 hours.
There are no Reports to Congress posted for years between 2008 and 2018.  The report format and content varies between years, so no meaningful comparison can be made between the 2018 report and the earlier ones.

Mike

The above mirrors my understanding as there had been somewhat of a ramp-up in ops temp
until the last couple of years.

Also, I didn't say they were not happening, they clearly are, but that they are slowing down
with no comment or mention of it.

"That Others May Zoom"

OldGuy

Quote from: Eclipse on July 03, 2019, 05:11:23 PM
So why is nothing being made of the defunding of the counterdrug mission?

This seems to have dropped completely under the radar, despite it being a
big consumer of airframe hours in some states.
So funding increased and you call it "defunding", odd that.

Operating Expenses - Counterdrug
2017 - $1, 257,794
2016 -     $871,871
2015 -     $837,872
2014 -     $791,502
2013 -     $662,572

Eclipse

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Quote from: OldGuy on July 06, 2019, 12:16:57 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on July 03, 2019, 05:11:23 PM
So why is nothing being made of the defunding of the counterdrug mission?

This seems to have dropped completely under the radar, despite it being a
big consumer of airframe hours in some states.
So funding increased and you call it "defunding", odd that.

Operating Expenses - Counterdrug
2017 - $1, 257,794
2016 -     $871,871
2015 -     $837,872
2014 -     $791,502
2013 -     $662,572

Quote from: Eclipse on July 05, 2019, 11:55:28 PM
The above mirrors my understanding as there had been somewhat of a ramp-up in ops temp
until the last couple of years.

2019-2017 = 2.  "Couple" is a generally accepted Colloquialism for "two".

Edit: Fixed quote tag.

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sardak

#19
Quote from: Eclipse on July 06, 2019, 12:45:04 AM
Quote from: OldGuy on July 06, 2019, 12:16:57 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on July 03, 2019, 05:11:23 PM
So why is nothing being made of the defunding of the counterdrug mission?

This seems to have dropped completely under the radar, despite it being a
big consumer of airframe hours in some states.
So funding increased and you call it "defunding", odd that.

Operating Expenses - Counterdrug
2017 - $1, 257,794
2016 -     $871,871
2015 -     $837,872
2014 -     $791,502
2013 -     $662,572

Quote from: sardak on July 05, 2019, 11:42:27 PM
The above mirrors my understanding as there had been somewhat of a ramp-up in ops temp
until the last couple of years.

2019-2017 = 2.  "Couple" is a generally accepted Colloquialism for "two".
Why did you attribute a quote you made, to me, and then clarify it?

Mike