2b for techincal issue?

[Майор Хаткевич]

Depends on the situation and context, but it could also be overreaching.

[Daniel]

It was nothing about CAP and it was the F word...

[JayT]

It was nothing about CAP and it was the F word...

That's why you don't have your boss on your facebook.....

[EMT-83]

Daniel,

I think you're being too hard on yourself. You've learned a couple of lessons with no real damage done.

Some words of wisdom from an old fart with a teen-aged son: you are going to screw up occasionally and sometimes the lessons are painful. It's part of growing up. The difficulty is in not repeating those mistakes.

[a2capt]

I love the Eclipse view of Facebook. Spot on target.


.. and in summary, if every this happened as you describe, (the legitimate ones), and they 2B'ed someone just because - CAP would have about 6 members, and CT would have a sampling of one live member and the rest has beens.


Okay, well, maybe not 6. But.. IOW, Big Effin Deal.


OTOH, those who use the "virus" excuse for something.. thinking they are pulling one over on people to cover up for "getting caught" are not getting past those of us who do IT for a living and in fact are just further shoving themselves into a hole because we can see they are already nefarious and full of it on top of that.


In your scenario: the things different would be; if that was CAP's computer, and you had installed something on it that contributed to the "virus", because you're not supposed to install anything on CAP's computer that isn't "authorized from the HQ responsible for that piece of hardware" or that is not directly needed for CAP business.


In short, if it's a wing computer assigned to your unit, then your wing IT directorate is where you go to ask if you can put X on Y and be prepared to justify it.


If it's something like SIMS, in theory you're supposed to also "have authorization", but many times these computers are handed down/assigned with that implied blanket authorization that installing software is allowed, so long as it's for CAP business and that means you, your unit, whatever, is going to use it and thats that.


.....and even then, I highly doubt a 2B is going to happen over it. Admit it, "oops, I clicked on something, it downloaded something.. I screwed up", you might get a lecture from a CC over it...


As well, there is the OPSEC part, be it the CAP information is on your computer, or their computer, you do have a duty to protect sensitive information. Just what qualifies as sensitive information? That varies widely among many peoples visions. A unit roster like set of information should reasonably be protected. That is, it should't be just downloadable on a web site by the public. But rather by members of the unit. Authorized users, if you will.  But a list of just names, ranks and maybe duty assignments? Well, some folks may have the heebee-jeebies over it, but thats called a "management structure" in the real world and that kind of information is publicly displayed in many circumstances.


Lists with CAP ID's names, and addresses, phones, emails, now thats getting a bit more sensitive. But even so, all of that sans CAP ID's and emails are nearly easy to get if you knew one part of the puzzle already. So thats arguable. But in all, that really doesn't need to be displayed anywhere anyway, so that is over in the sensitive side of things, and CAP ID's, what good is that going to do anyone? If they really want them, they can pay National $87 or whatever senior membership is in their realm and look up people on eServices. But lets not make it easy. More so out of habits, because if you treat a CAP ID like a SSN.. you will be more careful.


As for SSN's, you shouldn't even have any of that, about the only level those exist at CAP is in National's records, the member's 201 file, and an event commander and/or project officer's files for a particular event that SSN's were required. Usually where an MSA is cut, because we can't get one without submitting that data.


On the internet at large, there's a ton of things that are out there and just because they are out there does not make it legal ;-)


AllofMP3 is skanky and questionable at best, even in it's own country, and that includes all the derivatives of it. Just because it's out there, takes your money, and gives you a product.. doesn't mean it's legal. In the case of AllofMP3, it exists because it's dirt CHEAP if you read the whole ToS on there, it does say this may not be legal or recognized in your country, thats not our problem. It's barely recognized in their country. They have worse things to deal with, so they don't care, enough, apparently. Then again, the Swiss have not been able to shut down a certain bitTorrent tracker either, and it's now "trackerless".. The cat and mouse game must continue.

[Pumbaa]

AllOfMP3's legality is controversial. It is licensed in Russia by the Russian Organization for Multimedia and Digital Systems, a license similar to agreements held by Russian radio stations. AllOfMP3 states that this agreement allows it to legally distribute music from all artists and all labels. This is disputed by most major record labels, which generally do not recognize ROMS or believe that it has the authority to distribute their works. AllOfMP3.com makes no claims as to its legality outside of Russia[2]. However it is accessible to visitors in all countries.

In 2005, Moscow authorities began investigating the site as a result of a formal complaint from the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI), who accused the site of "large-scale copyright infringement"[3].

On June 1, 2006, the New York Times reported that US trade negotiators have warned Russia that the continued existence of AllOfMP3 could jeopardize Russia's entry into the World Trade Organization[4]. This was reiterated by the United States Trade Representative Susan Schwab in remarks to the US Chamber of Commerce on September 28, 2006[5]. She later told reporters that "I have a hard time imagining Russia becoming a member of the WTO and having a Web site like that up and running that is so clearly a violation of everyone's intellectual property rights."[6]

[Gunner C]

When I was a young 2d Lt, I made some coments here that got me into the hot seat with my Unit CC, and I'm still here. . .  Live and learn.

Yea, I swore over FB and my old  unit CC got after me for it!

Good!  You shouldn't be swearing.  You're a cadet NCO.  NCOs are the "owners of the standards" and are supposed to be examples to officers and enlisted alike.  You're better than that.  Those who swear are those in need of a vocabulary.  Set the example in EVERYTHING you do.  If you think it's cool to drop "F" bombs, then you're not.  Never use language with subordinates that you wouldn't feel comfortable to use in the presence of your mother or grandmother (rule of thumb that was given to me as a cadet NCO).

[ol'fido]

Sidenote: Gunner, do you belong to the signature block of the month club?

[Major Carrales]

what I was saying is Facebook is very much one of my only social things I do.

Then perhaps some adjustment is necessary...

Facebook is nether new or social.  It is simply repackaged old-school tech that feed narcissism and substitutes poor grammar, incoherent sentences, and advertisement of unnecessary personal information, for real human interaction.

Ah yes, like forums and newsgroups.

[Daniel]

When I was a young 2d Lt, I made some coments here that got me into the hot seat with my Unit CC, and I'm still here. . .  Live and learn.

Yea, I swore over FB and my old  unit CC got after me for it!

Good!  You shouldn't be swearing.  You're a cadet NCO.  NCOs are the "owners of the standards" and are supposed to be examples to officers and enlisted alike.  You're better than that.  Those who swear are those in need of a vocabulary.  Set the example in EVERYTHING you do.  If you think it's cool to drop "F" bombs, then you're not.  Never use language with subordinates that you wouldn't feel comfortable to use in the presence of your mother or grandmother (rule of thumb that was given to me as a cadet NCO).

Well, I was an C/amn back then...

[AlphaSigOU]

As some have already stated in this thread there is a time and place for everything, and what was once commonplace during my days as a cadink is inappropriate these days.

Back in my days WIWAC is was commonplace to use language that would blister the paint off the walls between ourselves, but never in the presence of mixed company (though there were a few female cadets who could throw down with the guys in the foul language department without even batting an eyelash) or others that would object to such salty language. That was in the days when we impressionable young cadinks all looked up to the ate-up military lifer who chain-smoked like a chimney, swigged coffee like jet fuel (usually laced with something more potent) and spewed four-letter words as punctuation, adverbs, adjectives and numerous other obscure types of English grammar.

Over time, that old stereotype was quietly retired into the realm of legendary war stories; it should stay there. Every once in a while we'll say something that shouldn't have been said and get the proverbial 2x4 slammed upside the head; we learn from our mistakes and drive on. But you keep it in the back of your mind, knowing you won't do it again.

[Eclipse]

As some have already stated in this thread there is a time and place for everything, and what was once commonplace during my days as a cadink is inappropriate these days.

Perhaps it should also be considered that a lot of behavior outside CAP that would have been considered inappropriate for cadets (and even adults) is now commonplace.

[AlphaSigOU]

As some have already stated in this thread there is a time and place for everything, and what was once commonplace during my days as a cadink is inappropriate these days.

Perhaps it should also be considered that a lot of behavior outside CAP that would have been considered inappropriate for cadets (and even adults) is now commonplace.

True that.

[Daniel]

I blame rap music and violent video games.

[davidsinn]

I blame rap music and violent video games.

While I hate rap I do play violent games and it hasn't effected me. I blame parents for not parenting.

[Gunner C]

I blame rap music and violent video games.

Then don't watch them.  Problem solved.

While I hate rap I do play violent games and it hasn't effected me.

Graphic images change brain function and create new brain pathways.  It can't help but affect you.  When your pathways change, you change.  That's how you create habits - new pathways. You may not react differently, but it is changing you in a real, physical way.

As a combat veteran, I find them horrific and pornographic.  I can't see making a game out of the suffering and death of others. Just IMHO.

I blame parents for not parenting.

Yep.  That's the root cause.

[BillB]

So the answer is not to ban rap music, rather ban parents?

[EMT-83]

Who was it that said you need a license to have a dog, but any idiot can have a kid?

[Daniel]

I like how one comment about how I messed up as a C/amn because I swore on Facebook makes you think I'm some hooligan gang-banger, and my parents awful people.

When it's quite the contrary,

First off my mother is a CSM now

and I am a nerdy little c/tsgt whom insists on a perfect uniform every week, and can recite SOP(s) of CAP off the top of his head.

[DC]

I like how one comment about how I messed up as a C/amn because I swore on Facebook makes you think I'm some hooligan gang-banger, and my parents awful people.

When it's quite the contrary,

First off my mother is a CSM now

and I am a nerdy little c/tsgt whom insists on a perfect uniform every week, and can recite SOP(s) of CAP off the top of his head.

No one is going after you or your parents, the discussion is more about society in general than you or your family specifically.