2b for techincal issue?

[Daniel]

Is it possible if a cadet of CAP got a virus on thier computer (which had CAP stuff on it) by accident and command of the unit was informed could that cadet face a 2b?

[lordmonar]

I don't see how that is possible.....unless the cadet was told not to put CAP stuff on his computer.

[Daniel]

I don't see how that is possible.....unless the cadet was told not to put CAP stuff on his computer.

Well things like, superior's emails and etc. Sensitive things.

[a2capt]

...what did you do now? ;-)


Who's computer is it? Yours, the wing's, units, etc?


..the 'CAP stuff', was it *supposed* to be there?


If so, where *else* is it supposed to be put? It can't really live anywhere else besides a hard drive or some piece of media/stick/thumbthing..


Did the "stuff" get out to others email boxes because said computer had gotten "infected" with something and it happened to email all by itself, the wrong "stuff" to the "right" people?


Sounds fishy, doesn't it?


Point is, if you are engaged in something you shouldn't be, it's not because of what happened on the computer thats going to earn a 2B, but rather the extent of whats going on.


Now.. I'm fairly certain that cadets have to do something really horrible to get 2B'ed, judging by the offenses I've seen happen at large.. of course, I can't speak for all commands, but.. there is recourse, there are review boards, and there is procedure.


If someone has axes to grind, and the purported offender is sure they are not in the blatant wrong, make sure everything is straight forward from the get go. Period. No changing stories, no fooling around. Put it all out up front and stick with it.

[flyboy53]

I think you're reaching.....into territory that would make an IG go crazy! However, if that cadet was using a CAP computer to look at something illegal, like pornography,  and that's where the virus came from, than that's another matter and that's where a 2b would be permissible because it would involve criminal charges.

[EMT-83]

If every cadet with a virus on their computer became the subject of an IG investigation, we'd need to hire a bunch of full-time people to keep up.

Does anyone know of a teenager who hasn't clicked on something they shouldn't have? One of our senior members has had her PC trashed three times by her teenage daughter, despite having the latest and greatest AV software installed.

[Майор Хаткевич]

If every cadet with a virus on their computer became the subject of an IG investigation, we'd need to hire a bunch of full-time people to keep up.

Does anyone know of a teenager who hasn't clicked on something they shouldn't have? One of our senior members has had her PC trashed three times by her teenage daughter, despite having the latest and greatest AV software installed.

^^^ This.

Then again, in all my years of...youth, I had never done enough damage to get a virus either.

[Daniel]

...what did you do now? ;-)


Who's computer is it? Yours, the wing's, units, etc?


..the 'CAP stuff', was it *supposed* to be there?


If so, where *else* is it supposed to be put? It can't really live anywhere else besides a hard drive or some piece of media/stick/thumbthing..


Did the "stuff" get out to others email boxes because said computer had gotten "infected" with something and it happened to email all by itself, the wrong "stuff" to the "right" people?


Sounds fishy, doesn't it?


Point is, if you are engaged in something you shouldn't be, it's not because of what happened on the computer thats going to earn a 2B, but rather the extent of whats going on.


Now.. I'm fairly certain that cadets have to do something really horrible to get 2B'ed, judging by the offenses I've seen happen at large.. of course, I can't speak for all commands, but.. there is recourse, there are review boards, and there is procedure.


If someone has axes to grind, and the purported offender is sure they are not in the blatant wrong, make sure everything is straight forward from the get go. Period. No changing stories, no fooling around. Put it all out up front and stick with it.

Okay this is the deal,
I'm that cadet, last night EMMA (my computer) got the ever-so infamous Antivirus live infection which is a virus claiming to be an antivirus which takes over your computer telling you that infections are abound when none are, and it blocks Internet Explorer and command line.

I'm the flight sergeant in my tiny little unit.  I email my units "high command" every week with the cadet schedule, and have contacts with a lt col. who is our group commander.

The virus has been know to rapidly take over a computer but it doesn't spread through email although I was thinking of sending a courtesy email but I don't know how to do that without freaking anyone out.-- anyone know etiquette in this  situation.

[arajca]

OK. It's a personal, not CAP, computer. Unfortunate, but not a 2B, or realistically disciplinable, offense.

If you can get to Eservices, download AVG. It's free.

Call your commander and give him the information.

[JoeTomasone]

Actually, Microsoft's new free antivirus has been found to be better than AVG.

http://www.microsoft.com/Security_Essentials/


If you already have a virus, it may disable any new antivirus programs that are being installed.   You may want to download and use a linux bootable CD based antivirus package.   Go to an uninfected computer, download Avira's Rescue CD, and let it disable (by renaming) the viruses on your Windows system.  Then install a Windows AV and let it find and eliminate the files.

http://www.free-av.com/en/tools/12/avira_antivir_rescue_system.html

[PhoenixRisen]

We had an old computer that I frequently used for CAP stuff.  It started having problems, so we took it to the Geek Squad guys to have them check it out.  Turns out we had 300+ viruses on it... and I didn't even know that was possible.

Would that mean I'm overdue for 300+ 2b's?   

[helper]

It appears that a virus or many viruses (viri ?) is/are becoming an all too common occurrence. Some are spread by using a USB drive from an infected PC. I do not see how an accidental & unintentional "computer cold" could be a 2b offense (other than previous comments posted here).

The Microsoft anti-virus program referenced above would have saved me from having to reinstall windows in several extream infestations.

[JoeTomasone]

They were a common occurrence a decade ago.  Now they are a plague.

The MS program is new, and only recently did it perform as well in comparative tests. 

AVG has been around for a while now in its free incarnation; there's no need for anyone to be without virus protection.  Should be the first thing you install after you get the computer home and turn it on.

[Eclipse]

The Microsoft anti-virus program referenced above would have saved me from having to reinstall windows in several extream infestations.

I doubt it, and I question the validity of the assertion that the MS product is any "better" (or worse) than AVG.  In most cases these days,
systems are being taken over by malware and similar which plays on security holes in the browser or OS. 

The efficacy of most AV products has been waning over the last couple of years due to the nature of the attacks

The single biggest vulnerability and weakness to any computer system is the human factor. The thickest shield is useless if you open the door.

The keys to a secure machine without a lot of effort:

Use Chrome or Firefox instead of IE.

Run a good ad blocker and disable pop-ups.

Stop forwarding stupid email messages with "cute" pictures, "funny" sayings, some sick kid in Prague's dying wish, or the latest nonsensical rumors about how the political party you "hate" is destroying this country.

Stay off  mybook, facespace, and the like - no one cares where you just got coffee anyway. 

Stay away from music and sharing stealing sites...

...and stop clicking random boxes...

Hint:  Your browser will not randomly discover your machine is infected with some virus and offer to fix it for you.

Now - forward this message to everyone in your contact list...

[JoeTomasone]

I question the validity of the assertion that the MS product is any "better" (or worse) than AVG.

(sigh)

http://www.av-comparatives.org/images/stories/test/ondret/avc_report24.pdf

[MIKE]

Second on the use something other than Internet Exploder.  Also, if you use it, make sure Java is up to date as well as other plugins like Flash.

If you do get one  of these drive by scareware attacks don't click anything, if you do you just got owned.  Kill it and any open browsers in Task Manager.

Lastly:  http://www.malwarebytes.org/  Get it and run it.  If it's getting blocked rename the .exe and run it.... But know that you can never trust that it's totally gone without a complete reformat.

[Eclipse]

You're going to hang your hat on 7%?  Really?  Especially when the vendor (MS) is the one responsible for the vulnerabilities to start with?

[ol'fido]

I'll leave the technical stuff to Bob and the other IT guys on here and jump on another point.  You said "sensitive" stuff. OK, does this mean you had everbody's SSN on there. If not, fix your computer and don't worry about the "sensitive" info. People in CAP tend to fling that four letter term around and apply it to lots of things needlessly. Pssst....don't tell anyone but the four letter term is FOUO. That info is FOUO by the way(now imagine me laying my finger along side my nose and giving you the secret CAP handshake(which is also FOUO)).

[Майор Хаткевич]

The Microsoft anti-virus program referenced above would have saved me from having to reinstall windows in several extream infestations.

I doubt it, and I question the validity of the assertion that the MS product is any "better" (or worse) than AVG.  In most cases these days,
systems are being taken over by malware and similar which plays on security holes in the browser or OS. 

The efficacy of most AV products has been waning over the last couple of years due to the nature of the attacks

The single biggest vulnerability and weakness to any computer system is the human factor. The thickest shield is useless if you open the door.

The keys to a secure machine without a lot of effort:

Use Chrome or Firefox instead of IE.

Run a good ad blocker and disable pop-ups.

Stop forwarding stupid email messages with "cute" pictures, "funny" sayings, some sick kid in Prague's dying wish, or the latest nonsensical rumors about how the political party you "hate" is destroying this country.

Stay off  mybook, facespace, and the like - no one cares where you just got coffee anyway. 

Stay away from music and sharing stealing sites...

...and stop clicking random boxes...

Hint:  Your browser will not randomly discover your machine is infected with some virus and offer to fix it for you.

Now - forward this message to everyone in your contact list...

Agreeing with a lot of the points...but what does social networking have to do with it? Apple.com and others are music sites, etc.

If I was to stop visiting those types of places or using e-mail/opening half the messages, what would I need the internet for?

[Eclipse]

...what does social networking have to do with it? Apple.com and others are music sites, etc.

Apple.com is not a music sharing or warez site - you will not get a virus-infected file masquerading as a Taylor Swift album from Apple,
you very well might from your favorite torrent site or file-sharing stealing application.

Facebook and Myspace are rife with "applications" that are actually trojans and similar malware.

If I was to stop visiting those types of places or using e-mail/opening half the messages, what would I need the internet for?

Yes, exactly.  I'm glad we agree.

[Майор Хаткевич]

You didn't specify that you meant music and file sharing as the same. I don't use any of the illegal download sites, I go to a .ru site which is legal according to their laws and pay $.15 a song.

Surely you can find more use for the internet besides the once in a while IMPORTANT e-mail. E-mail existed before the internet. The internet is not based on e-mail, nor should it be.

As an example: I'm a college student, I'm (almost) 20. I can cook, but sometimes...well sometimes it's a good day to explore what Chicago has to offer. Am I supposed to keep 1000 different menus at home? Heck no, I'll just go to Grubhub.com and be done with it in 5 minutes.

What about booking a flight for vacation? Do I call different airlines and see what I can get? Or do I light up Bing.com and use their travel comparison page?

There is so much more to the internet then the routine e-mails. I can't imagine (well, I can since I lived without it before) what it would be like without it. Something that takes me 5 minutes to do would take 5-10x as long without it. Try holding down a full time job and going to college full time without it. I don't have the hours I'd need to spend on the library researching for essays. With the internet, I can even access books online!

[Eclipse]

You didn't specify that you meant music and file sharing as the same. I don't use any of the illegal download sites, I go to a .ru site which is legal according to their laws and pay $.15 a song.

Awesome, should you ever reside there, those laws would be applicable.  As it stands, they are violating US copyright laws, and last I checked, that was where you lived.

As to the rest - yes, I understand what the tubes are for.  Its how I make my living, and it, and those sites you mentioned above have nothing to do with "social networking" whatever that is.

Rarely will you ever get a drive-by or similar from legitimate commercial sites - start venturing into places where you have to tip-toe around the law, or where people can poke and scrape you, and you deserve what you get.

Try holding down a full time job and going to college full time without it.

I can't even imagine - oh wait, yes I can.  That's what people did in "modern society" for about 200 years.

[Майор Хаткевич]

You didn't specify that you meant music and file sharing as the same. I don't use any of the illegal download sites, I go to a .ru site which is legal according to their laws and pay $.15 a song.

Awesome, should you ever reside there, those laws would be applicable.  As it stands, they are violating US copyright laws, and last I checked, that was where you lived.

As to the rest - yes, I understand what the tubes are for.  Its how I make my living, and it, and those sites you mentioned above have nothing to do with "social networking" whatever that is.

Rarely will you ever get a drive-by or similar from legitimate commercial sites - start venturing into places where you have to tip-toe around the law, or where people can poke and scrape you, and you deserve what you get.

Try holding down a full time job and going to college full time without it.

I can't even imagine - oh wait, yes I can.  That's what people did in "modern society" for about 200 years.

I'm not breaking any laws that I can see. I pay for the music, but at a different rate.

As for college, somehow I doubt the papers written 200 years ago, 100, 50, even 20 reflect what is required of me today.

[Eclipse]

I'm not breaking any laws that I can see. I pay for the music, but at a different rate.

Hmm...hosted on a Turkish site that is a know harbor for spam and malware, jeopardizing Russia admittance into the WTO, a $1.65 trillion
lawsuit by most major record labels.  Yep, no doubt they are legit.

As for college, somehow I doubt the papers written 200 years ago, 100, 50, even 20 reflect what is required of me today.

No, it was much harder, considering you had to kill a bird just to make a pen, though I'll grant you there was less history to remember.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Checked the hosting on the site...definitely not hosted in Turkey, or sending spam/malware to me.

As for school, there really isn't that much comparison. It's not just history, but developments, new theories, new techniques, etc.

Considering that each year the amount of information generated exceeds what was produced in thousands of years past...

[FlyTiger77]

Now, if someone could devise something to keep discussion board threads from getting hijacked or drifting, life would improve dramatically on CAPTalk.

Back to the cadet's original question: As was stated above, the term "sensitive" is frequently misused. Personally Identifiable Information is protected and includes data points such as name, SSAN, date of birth, mother's maiden name, etc. Most of that information should not be resident on anyone's computer at the squadron level, least of all a cadet's.

As stated earlier, FOUO information requires a degree of protection (placed in a locked drawer when not in use, if stored in a government facility without security or in a locked office if the facility does have security). However, very little of what CAP does presently will fall under even that minimum protection requirement.

Therefore, it is doubtful that you had truly "sensitive" CAP information on your computer to be compromised, although, you may have had potentially embarrassing information. For instance, if you were providing the Group commander with the lowdown on what is going wrong in your squadron without giving your chain of command the courtesy of your thoughts and allowing them to fix the issues, that information would not be sensitive, but the lack of loyalty and integrity it evidenced would be problematic at best. That or the other situations listed above may be enough to give rise to administrative action up to and including termination of membership. Those actions would be based on the information found by an investigation and not because your computer was infected per se.

V/R

[ricks]

I liken it to having a notebook in your car with general unit information and your car getting broken into. Now unless you have information in your notebook that is not supposed to be there it is no fault of your own if it gets stolen. Even if it is your fault, it is not CAP's business.

[Daniel]

okay, let me say a few things on this note...

I'm not in anyway computer-illiterate, I take EMMA's security very personally. I was using Norton Security at the time and I recently switched to AVG  and installed malwarebytes and adware which should increase my computer's security. Also, I get my music through http://www.lala.com which was recently acquired by Apple. I would like to say, I may be a CAP cadet, but I am also a teenager. I may be an alpha-nerd, whom passes every test and is in honours classes, but any sort of social life I have I intend on keeping. So, I'm going to use Facebook, Twitter, and MSN. While they may be security risk, I'm not going Ft. Knox security anyways.

All due respect, I think many of you all so often forget that your cadets are indeed just well-motivated teenagers!

[Eclipse]

All due respect, I think many of you all so often forget that your cadets are indeed just well-motivated teenagers!

Which has nothing to do with whether or not your machine is secure...

Life is choice and the mitigation of risk, make the choices, mitigate the risk and move on, but don't be surprised when people warned you fire was hot and you get burned sticking your hand on the stove.

[Daniel]

All due respect, I think many of you all so often forget that your cadets are indeed just well-motivated teenagers!

Which has nothing to do with whether or not your machine is secure...

Life is choice and the mitigation of risk, make the choices, mitigate the risk and move on, but don't be surprised when people warned you fire was hot and you get burned sticking your hand on the stove.

But not so not if you are smart and use potholder.... <<  didnt exactly fit, but what I was saying is Facebook is very much one of my only social things I do. Its not stupid keeping it as long as I don't click any fishy sounding exteral links!

[Eclipse]

what I was saying is Facebook is very much one of my only social things I do.

Then perhaps some adjustment is necessary...

Facebook is nether new or social.  It is simply repackaged old-school tech that feed narcissism and substitutes poor grammar, incoherent sentences, and advertisement of unnecessary personal information, for real human interaction.

[MikeD]

To drift us back on topic, I'd only consider a 2B for willful actions, or maybe just maybe for gross negligence.  I could see the latter only if it was really really stupid, or happened a lot, or (least likley) put lives at risk during the course of a mission (hard to think of an example there, maybe allowing access to current CD mission data?). 

[Eclipse]

In respect to the OP - I can't think of anything a cadet would have legit access to that would be considered "sensitive", and if the access was not legit, the 2b would be because of that, not a virus.

As others have stated, I can think of any number of bad online behaviors that people try to blame on a "virus", and generally they aren't fooling anyone, especially someone technical.

[SarDragon]

what I was saying is Facebook is very much one of my only social things I do.

Then perhaps some adjustment is necessary...

Facebook is nether new or social.  It is simply repackaged old-school tech that feed narcissism and substitutes poor grammar, incoherent sentences, and advertisement of unnecessary personal information, for real human interaction.

Much like some of the folks who post here on CT? 

[Daniel]

In respect to the OP - I can't think of anything a cadet would have legit access to that would be considered "sensitive", and if the access was not legit, the 2b would be because of that, not a virus.

As others have stated, I can think of any number of bad online behaviors that people try to blame on a "virus", and generally they aren't fooling anyone, especially someone technical.

Well luckily it was a drafted schedule and a few contact cards which were in a folder called quite literally "CAP stuff"

[Eclipse]

I can't imagine how that would cause much comment, let alone any repercussions.

Now, if you had the only copy of a SIMS db, were told repeatedly to back it up or remove it from an infected machine, you didn't and lost a lot of work, you could expect a 3000 PSI stare, and might be required to recreate the data, but I can't imagine anyone getting bounced for it.

Demotion?  Extreme, but maybe.  But not 2b'ed.

Delete the only known photo of POTUS presenting a CMH to your unit CC for saving his life at NESA?  Maybe.   

[Daniel]

I can honestly say after this conversation,

Yall probably think I'm a terrible cadet and a computer retard.. The first is true, second not so much.

[AlphaSigOU]

I can honestly say after this conversation,

Yall probably think I'm a terrible cadet and a computer retard.. The first is true, second not so much.

I don't want to hear that coming from you or from any cadet! People have made mistakes in life; as long as you own up to it and learned your lesson you keep on keeping on.

I'll admit I've made some choices in life that I regret now that I look back on them (hindsight is 20/20), but I don't dwell on them or let them rule my life.

[RogueLeader]

When I was a young 2d Lt, I made some coments here that got me into the hot seat with my Unit CC, and I'm still here. . .  Live and learn.

[Daniel]

When I was a young 2d Lt, I made some coments here that got me into the hot seat with my Unit CC, and I'm still here. . .  Live and learn.

Yea, I swore over FB and my old  unit CC got after me for it!

[Майор Хаткевич]

Depends on the situation and context, but it could also be overreaching.

[Daniel]

It was nothing about CAP and it was the F word...

[JayT]

It was nothing about CAP and it was the F word...

That's why you don't have your boss on your facebook.....

[EMT-83]

Daniel,

I think you're being too hard on yourself. You've learned a couple of lessons with no real damage done.

Some words of wisdom from an old fart with a teen-aged son: you are going to screw up occasionally and sometimes the lessons are painful. It's part of growing up. The difficulty is in not repeating those mistakes.

[a2capt]

I love the Eclipse view of Facebook. Spot on target.


.. and in summary, if every this happened as you describe, (the legitimate ones), and they 2B'ed someone just because - CAP would have about 6 members, and CT would have a sampling of one live member and the rest has beens.


Okay, well, maybe not 6. But.. IOW, Big Effin Deal.


OTOH, those who use the "virus" excuse for something.. thinking they are pulling one over on people to cover up for "getting caught" are not getting past those of us who do IT for a living and in fact are just further shoving themselves into a hole because we can see they are already nefarious and full of it on top of that.


In your scenario: the things different would be; if that was CAP's computer, and you had installed something on it that contributed to the "virus", because you're not supposed to install anything on CAP's computer that isn't "authorized from the HQ responsible for that piece of hardware" or that is not directly needed for CAP business.


In short, if it's a wing computer assigned to your unit, then your wing IT directorate is where you go to ask if you can put X on Y and be prepared to justify it.


If it's something like SIMS, in theory you're supposed to also "have authorization", but many times these computers are handed down/assigned with that implied blanket authorization that installing software is allowed, so long as it's for CAP business and that means you, your unit, whatever, is going to use it and thats that.


.....and even then, I highly doubt a 2B is going to happen over it. Admit it, "oops, I clicked on something, it downloaded something.. I screwed up", you might get a lecture from a CC over it...


As well, there is the OPSEC part, be it the CAP information is on your computer, or their computer, you do have a duty to protect sensitive information. Just what qualifies as sensitive information? That varies widely among many peoples visions. A unit roster like set of information should reasonably be protected. That is, it should't be just downloadable on a web site by the public. But rather by members of the unit. Authorized users, if you will.  But a list of just names, ranks and maybe duty assignments? Well, some folks may have the heebee-jeebies over it, but thats called a "management structure" in the real world and that kind of information is publicly displayed in many circumstances.


Lists with CAP ID's names, and addresses, phones, emails, now thats getting a bit more sensitive. But even so, all of that sans CAP ID's and emails are nearly easy to get if you knew one part of the puzzle already. So thats arguable. But in all, that really doesn't need to be displayed anywhere anyway, so that is over in the sensitive side of things, and CAP ID's, what good is that going to do anyone? If they really want them, they can pay National $87 or whatever senior membership is in their realm and look up people on eServices. But lets not make it easy. More so out of habits, because if you treat a CAP ID like a SSN.. you will be more careful.


As for SSN's, you shouldn't even have any of that, about the only level those exist at CAP is in National's records, the member's 201 file, and an event commander and/or project officer's files for a particular event that SSN's were required. Usually where an MSA is cut, because we can't get one without submitting that data.


On the internet at large, there's a ton of things that are out there and just because they are out there does not make it legal ;-)


AllofMP3 is skanky and questionable at best, even in it's own country, and that includes all the derivatives of it. Just because it's out there, takes your money, and gives you a product.. doesn't mean it's legal. In the case of AllofMP3, it exists because it's dirt CHEAP if you read the whole ToS on there, it does say this may not be legal or recognized in your country, thats not our problem. It's barely recognized in their country. They have worse things to deal with, so they don't care, enough, apparently. Then again, the Swiss have not been able to shut down a certain bitTorrent tracker either, and it's now "trackerless".. The cat and mouse game must continue.

[Pumbaa]

AllOfMP3's legality is controversial. It is licensed in Russia by the Russian Organization for Multimedia and Digital Systems, a license similar to agreements held by Russian radio stations. AllOfMP3 states that this agreement allows it to legally distribute music from all artists and all labels. This is disputed by most major record labels, which generally do not recognize ROMS or believe that it has the authority to distribute their works. AllOfMP3.com makes no claims as to its legality outside of Russia[2]. However it is accessible to visitors in all countries.

In 2005, Moscow authorities began investigating the site as a result of a formal complaint from the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI), who accused the site of "large-scale copyright infringement"[3].

On June 1, 2006, the New York Times reported that US trade negotiators have warned Russia that the continued existence of AllOfMP3 could jeopardize Russia's entry into the World Trade Organization[4]. This was reiterated by the United States Trade Representative Susan Schwab in remarks to the US Chamber of Commerce on September 28, 2006[5]. She later told reporters that "I have a hard time imagining Russia becoming a member of the WTO and having a Web site like that up and running that is so clearly a violation of everyone's intellectual property rights."[6]

[Gunner C]

When I was a young 2d Lt, I made some coments here that got me into the hot seat with my Unit CC, and I'm still here. . .  Live and learn.

Yea, I swore over FB and my old  unit CC got after me for it!

Good!  You shouldn't be swearing.  You're a cadet NCO.  NCOs are the "owners of the standards" and are supposed to be examples to officers and enlisted alike.  You're better than that.  Those who swear are those in need of a vocabulary.  Set the example in EVERYTHING you do.  If you think it's cool to drop "F" bombs, then you're not.  Never use language with subordinates that you wouldn't feel comfortable to use in the presence of your mother or grandmother (rule of thumb that was given to me as a cadet NCO).

[ol'fido]

Sidenote: Gunner, do you belong to the signature block of the month club?

[Major Carrales]

what I was saying is Facebook is very much one of my only social things I do.

Then perhaps some adjustment is necessary...

Facebook is nether new or social.  It is simply repackaged old-school tech that feed narcissism and substitutes poor grammar, incoherent sentences, and advertisement of unnecessary personal information, for real human interaction.

Ah yes, like forums and newsgroups.

[Daniel]

When I was a young 2d Lt, I made some coments here that got me into the hot seat with my Unit CC, and I'm still here. . .  Live and learn.

Yea, I swore over FB and my old  unit CC got after me for it!

Good!  You shouldn't be swearing.  You're a cadet NCO.  NCOs are the "owners of the standards" and are supposed to be examples to officers and enlisted alike.  You're better than that.  Those who swear are those in need of a vocabulary.  Set the example in EVERYTHING you do.  If you think it's cool to drop "F" bombs, then you're not.  Never use language with subordinates that you wouldn't feel comfortable to use in the presence of your mother or grandmother (rule of thumb that was given to me as a cadet NCO).

Well, I was an C/amn back then...

[AlphaSigOU]

As some have already stated in this thread there is a time and place for everything, and what was once commonplace during my days as a cadink is inappropriate these days.

Back in my days WIWAC is was commonplace to use language that would blister the paint off the walls between ourselves, but never in the presence of mixed company (though there were a few female cadets who could throw down with the guys in the foul language department without even batting an eyelash) or others that would object to such salty language. That was in the days when we impressionable young cadinks all looked up to the ate-up military lifer who chain-smoked like a chimney, swigged coffee like jet fuel (usually laced with something more potent) and spewed four-letter words as punctuation, adverbs, adjectives and numerous other obscure types of English grammar.

Over time, that old stereotype was quietly retired into the realm of legendary war stories; it should stay there. Every once in a while we'll say something that shouldn't have been said and get the proverbial 2x4 slammed upside the head; we learn from our mistakes and drive on. But you keep it in the back of your mind, knowing you won't do it again.

[Eclipse]

As some have already stated in this thread there is a time and place for everything, and what was once commonplace during my days as a cadink is inappropriate these days.

Perhaps it should also be considered that a lot of behavior outside CAP that would have been considered inappropriate for cadets (and even adults) is now commonplace.

[AlphaSigOU]

As some have already stated in this thread there is a time and place for everything, and what was once commonplace during my days as a cadink is inappropriate these days.

Perhaps it should also be considered that a lot of behavior outside CAP that would have been considered inappropriate for cadets (and even adults) is now commonplace.

True that.

[Daniel]

I blame rap music and violent video games.

[davidsinn]

I blame rap music and violent video games.

While I hate rap I do play violent games and it hasn't effected me. I blame parents for not parenting.

[Gunner C]

I blame rap music and violent video games.

Then don't watch them.  Problem solved.

While I hate rap I do play violent games and it hasn't effected me.

Graphic images change brain function and create new brain pathways.  It can't help but affect you.  When your pathways change, you change.  That's how you create habits - new pathways. You may not react differently, but it is changing you in a real, physical way.

As a combat veteran, I find them horrific and pornographic.  I can't see making a game out of the suffering and death of others. Just IMHO.

I blame parents for not parenting.

Yep.  That's the root cause.

[BillB]

So the answer is not to ban rap music, rather ban parents?

[EMT-83]

Who was it that said you need a license to have a dog, but any idiot can have a kid?

[Daniel]

I like how one comment about how I messed up as a C/amn because I swore on Facebook makes you think I'm some hooligan gang-banger, and my parents awful people.

When it's quite the contrary,

First off my mother is a CSM now

and I am a nerdy little c/tsgt whom insists on a perfect uniform every week, and can recite SOP(s) of CAP off the top of his head.

[DC]

I like how one comment about how I messed up as a C/amn because I swore on Facebook makes you think I'm some hooligan gang-banger, and my parents awful people.

When it's quite the contrary,

First off my mother is a CSM now

and I am a nerdy little c/tsgt whom insists on a perfect uniform every week, and can recite SOP(s) of CAP off the top of his head.

No one is going after you or your parents, the discussion is more about society in general than you or your family specifically.

[RogueLeader]

^ what he said.

I blame rap music and violent video games.

Then don't watch them.  Problem solved.

While I hate rap I do play violent games and it hasn't effected me.

Graphic images change brain function and create new brain pathways.  It can't help but affect you.  When your pathways change, you change.  That's how you create habits - new pathways. You may not react differently, but it is changing you in a real, physical way.

As a combat veteran, I find them horrific and pornographic.  I can't see making a game out of the suffering and death of others. Just IMHO.

I blame parents for not parenting.

Yep.  That's the root cause.

Even if He doesn't watch trhem, many people do, and love that stuff.  The rest I agree with.

[Gunner C]

I support people's personal decisions.  Freedom to choose a course of action is fundamental to our way of life.  I was just commenting on what happens - there's always an effect to every personal action.

Daniel, I wasn't talking about you and certainly about your mother.  No one said you were a gang banger.  I was making a generalized comment about current society and the fall-out from it.  Youngsters, like yourself, need guidance in making good decisions. (Few have made worse ones than I did when I was young).  You've obviously made some really good ones in your life or you wouldn't be a cadet and a flight sergeant.

Take the chip off the shoulder and just know that there's a lot of us out here who care about a lot of young people just like you.  Follow me through the field.  I know where the mines are buried. 

[flyguy06]

I like how one comment about how I messed up as a C/amn because I swore on Facebook makes you think I'm some hooligan gang-banger, and my parents awful people.

When it's quite the contrary,

First off my mother is a CSM now

and I am a nerdy little c/tsgt whom insists on a perfect uniform every week, and can recite SOP(s) of CAP off the top of his head.

Your mother is a Command Sergeant Major? thats thight. :-)

[Daniel]

I like how one comment about how I messed up as a C/amn because I swore on Facebook makes you think I'm some hooligan gang-banger, and my parents awful people.

When it's quite the contrary,

First off my mother is a CSM now

and I am a nerdy little c/tsgt whom insists on a perfect uniform every week, and can recite SOP(s) of CAP off the top of his head.

Your mother is a Command Sergeant Major? thats thight. :-)

nien, cadet sponsor member

[flyguy06]

Oh, perfect example of why when you post you should explain abbreviations. CSM to me means command sergeant major

[Daniel]

Oh, perfect example of why when you post you should explain abbreviations. CSM to me means command sergeant major

Well to CAP which last time I talked this was CAP-talk.. it means cadet sponsor member which I have seen abbreviated as CSM

[JayT]

Oh, perfect example of why when you post you should explain abbreviations. CSM to me means command sergeant major

Well to CAP which last time I talked this was CAP-talk.. it means cadet sponsor member which I have seen abbreviated as CSM

But to the many former military guys here, it means Command Sergeant Major...like the man said, spell it out :-p

[flyguy06]

Oh, perfect example of why when you post you should explain abbreviations. CSM to me means command sergeant major

Well to CAP which last time I talked this was CAP-talk.. it means cadet sponsor member which I have seen abbreviated as CSM

yes, that is very true, but there are a lot of military CAP members that post on this board and they love to use the respective military branch's terms

[ol'fido]

This doesn't really add to this post, but here goes. I was sitting in the head shed at encampment this summer and the safety/medical officer walks in. He days "has anybody seen the sizzum?" A couple of us go "who?" "the sizzum, Maj. Healy." Were like"oh, you mean the counselor?" I knew what a CISM specialist was. I had just never heard it referred to as a sizzum(my spelling by the way).

[flyerthom]

Cadet, some of these fellows are yankin' yer ankle.

As to a little more on topic:

One gentleman mentioned what you need http://www.malwarebytes.org/ free version. I think you said you have adaware. Run that after Malwarebytes. Then run a full virus scan. If they detect and clean something you should be ok. You may wish to do a system restore to a point before you got the virus anyway. If the programs do not detect any malware you may have to have a tech do a windows reload for you. I say have a tech do because they can do a clean file backup for you and save your CAP stuff.

As for CAP consequences - unless you were trying to infect CAP computers (which I know you weren't) the worst that should happen to you is the flaming you got here. 

[tarheel gumby]

As for CAP consequences - unless you were trying to infect CAP computers (which I know you weren't) the worst that should happen to you is the flaming you got here. 

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