2b for techincal issue?

[Daniel]

Is it possible if a cadet of CAP got a virus on thier computer (which had CAP stuff on it) by accident and command of the unit was informed could that cadet face a 2b?

[lordmonar]

I don't see how that is possible.....unless the cadet was told not to put CAP stuff on his computer.

[Daniel]

I don't see how that is possible.....unless the cadet was told not to put CAP stuff on his computer.

Well things like, superior's emails and etc. Sensitive things.

[a2capt]

...what did you do now? ;-)


Who's computer is it? Yours, the wing's, units, etc?


..the 'CAP stuff', was it *supposed* to be there?


If so, where *else* is it supposed to be put? It can't really live anywhere else besides a hard drive or some piece of media/stick/thumbthing..


Did the "stuff" get out to others email boxes because said computer had gotten "infected" with something and it happened to email all by itself, the wrong "stuff" to the "right" people?


Sounds fishy, doesn't it?


Point is, if you are engaged in something you shouldn't be, it's not because of what happened on the computer thats going to earn a 2B, but rather the extent of whats going on.


Now.. I'm fairly certain that cadets have to do something really horrible to get 2B'ed, judging by the offenses I've seen happen at large.. of course, I can't speak for all commands, but.. there is recourse, there are review boards, and there is procedure.


If someone has axes to grind, and the purported offender is sure they are not in the blatant wrong, make sure everything is straight forward from the get go. Period. No changing stories, no fooling around. Put it all out up front and stick with it.

[flyboy53]

I think you're reaching.....into territory that would make an IG go crazy! However, if that cadet was using a CAP computer to look at something illegal, like pornography,  and that's where the virus came from, than that's another matter and that's where a 2b would be permissible because it would involve criminal charges.

[EMT-83]

If every cadet with a virus on their computer became the subject of an IG investigation, we'd need to hire a bunch of full-time people to keep up.

Does anyone know of a teenager who hasn't clicked on something they shouldn't have? One of our senior members has had her PC trashed three times by her teenage daughter, despite having the latest and greatest AV software installed.

[Майор Хаткевич]

If every cadet with a virus on their computer became the subject of an IG investigation, we'd need to hire a bunch of full-time people to keep up.

Does anyone know of a teenager who hasn't clicked on something they shouldn't have? One of our senior members has had her PC trashed three times by her teenage daughter, despite having the latest and greatest AV software installed.

^^^ This.

Then again, in all my years of...youth, I had never done enough damage to get a virus either.

[Daniel]

...what did you do now? ;-)


Who's computer is it? Yours, the wing's, units, etc?


..the 'CAP stuff', was it *supposed* to be there?


If so, where *else* is it supposed to be put? It can't really live anywhere else besides a hard drive or some piece of media/stick/thumbthing..


Did the "stuff" get out to others email boxes because said computer had gotten "infected" with something and it happened to email all by itself, the wrong "stuff" to the "right" people?


Sounds fishy, doesn't it?


Point is, if you are engaged in something you shouldn't be, it's not because of what happened on the computer thats going to earn a 2B, but rather the extent of whats going on.


Now.. I'm fairly certain that cadets have to do something really horrible to get 2B'ed, judging by the offenses I've seen happen at large.. of course, I can't speak for all commands, but.. there is recourse, there are review boards, and there is procedure.


If someone has axes to grind, and the purported offender is sure they are not in the blatant wrong, make sure everything is straight forward from the get go. Period. No changing stories, no fooling around. Put it all out up front and stick with it.

Okay this is the deal,
I'm that cadet, last night EMMA (my computer) got the ever-so infamous Antivirus live infection which is a virus claiming to be an antivirus which takes over your computer telling you that infections are abound when none are, and it blocks Internet Explorer and command line.

I'm the flight sergeant in my tiny little unit.  I email my units "high command" every week with the cadet schedule, and have contacts with a lt col. who is our group commander.

The virus has been know to rapidly take over a computer but it doesn't spread through email although I was thinking of sending a courtesy email but I don't know how to do that without freaking anyone out.-- anyone know etiquette in this  situation.

[arajca]

OK. It's a personal, not CAP, computer. Unfortunate, but not a 2B, or realistically disciplinable, offense.

If you can get to Eservices, download AVG. It's free.

Call your commander and give him the information.

[JoeTomasone]

Actually, Microsoft's new free antivirus has been found to be better than AVG.

http://www.microsoft.com/Security_Essentials/


If you already have a virus, it may disable any new antivirus programs that are being installed.   You may want to download and use a linux bootable CD based antivirus package.   Go to an uninfected computer, download Avira's Rescue CD, and let it disable (by renaming) the viruses on your Windows system.  Then install a Windows AV and let it find and eliminate the files.

http://www.free-av.com/en/tools/12/avira_antivir_rescue_system.html

[PhoenixRisen]

We had an old computer that I frequently used for CAP stuff.  It started having problems, so we took it to the Geek Squad guys to have them check it out.  Turns out we had 300+ viruses on it... and I didn't even know that was possible.

Would that mean I'm overdue for 300+ 2b's?   

[helper]

It appears that a virus or many viruses (viri ?) is/are becoming an all too common occurrence. Some are spread by using a USB drive from an infected PC. I do not see how an accidental & unintentional "computer cold" could be a 2b offense (other than previous comments posted here).

The Microsoft anti-virus program referenced above would have saved me from having to reinstall windows in several extream infestations.

[JoeTomasone]

They were a common occurrence a decade ago.  Now they are a plague.

The MS program is new, and only recently did it perform as well in comparative tests. 

AVG has been around for a while now in its free incarnation; there's no need for anyone to be without virus protection.  Should be the first thing you install after you get the computer home and turn it on.

[Eclipse]

The Microsoft anti-virus program referenced above would have saved me from having to reinstall windows in several extream infestations.

I doubt it, and I question the validity of the assertion that the MS product is any "better" (or worse) than AVG.  In most cases these days,
systems are being taken over by malware and similar which plays on security holes in the browser or OS. 

The efficacy of most AV products has been waning over the last couple of years due to the nature of the attacks

The single biggest vulnerability and weakness to any computer system is the human factor. The thickest shield is useless if you open the door.

The keys to a secure machine without a lot of effort:

Use Chrome or Firefox instead of IE.

Run a good ad blocker and disable pop-ups.

Stop forwarding stupid email messages with "cute" pictures, "funny" sayings, some sick kid in Prague's dying wish, or the latest nonsensical rumors about how the political party you "hate" is destroying this country.

Stay off  mybook, facespace, and the like - no one cares where you just got coffee anyway. 

Stay away from music and sharing stealing sites...

...and stop clicking random boxes...

Hint:  Your browser will not randomly discover your machine is infected with some virus and offer to fix it for you.

Now - forward this message to everyone in your contact list...

[JoeTomasone]

I question the validity of the assertion that the MS product is any "better" (or worse) than AVG.

(sigh)

http://www.av-comparatives.org/images/stories/test/ondret/avc_report24.pdf

[MIKE]

Second on the use something other than Internet Exploder.  Also, if you use it, make sure Java is up to date as well as other plugins like Flash.

If you do get one  of these drive by scareware attacks don't click anything, if you do you just got owned.  Kill it and any open browsers in Task Manager.

Lastly:  http://www.malwarebytes.org/  Get it and run it.  If it's getting blocked rename the .exe and run it.... But know that you can never trust that it's totally gone without a complete reformat.

[Eclipse]

You're going to hang your hat on 7%?  Really?  Especially when the vendor (MS) is the one responsible for the vulnerabilities to start with?

[ol'fido]

I'll leave the technical stuff to Bob and the other IT guys on here and jump on another point.  You said "sensitive" stuff. OK, does this mean you had everbody's SSN on there. If not, fix your computer and don't worry about the "sensitive" info. People in CAP tend to fling that four letter term around and apply it to lots of things needlessly. Pssst....don't tell anyone but the four letter term is FOUO. That info is FOUO by the way(now imagine me laying my finger along side my nose and giving you the secret CAP handshake(which is also FOUO)).

[Майор Хаткевич]

The Microsoft anti-virus program referenced above would have saved me from having to reinstall windows in several extream infestations.

I doubt it, and I question the validity of the assertion that the MS product is any "better" (or worse) than AVG.  In most cases these days,
systems are being taken over by malware and similar which plays on security holes in the browser or OS. 

The efficacy of most AV products has been waning over the last couple of years due to the nature of the attacks

The single biggest vulnerability and weakness to any computer system is the human factor. The thickest shield is useless if you open the door.

The keys to a secure machine without a lot of effort:

Use Chrome or Firefox instead of IE.

Run a good ad blocker and disable pop-ups.

Stop forwarding stupid email messages with "cute" pictures, "funny" sayings, some sick kid in Prague's dying wish, or the latest nonsensical rumors about how the political party you "hate" is destroying this country.

Stay off  mybook, facespace, and the like - no one cares where you just got coffee anyway. 

Stay away from music and sharing stealing sites...

...and stop clicking random boxes...

Hint:  Your browser will not randomly discover your machine is infected with some virus and offer to fix it for you.

Now - forward this message to everyone in your contact list...

Agreeing with a lot of the points...but what does social networking have to do with it? Apple.com and others are music sites, etc.

If I was to stop visiting those types of places or using e-mail/opening half the messages, what would I need the internet for?

[Eclipse]

...what does social networking have to do with it? Apple.com and others are music sites, etc.

Apple.com is not a music sharing or warez site - you will not get a virus-infected file masquerading as a Taylor Swift album from Apple,
you very well might from your favorite torrent site or file-sharing stealing application.

Facebook and Myspace are rife with "applications" that are actually trojans and similar malware.

If I was to stop visiting those types of places or using e-mail/opening half the messages, what would I need the internet for?

Yes, exactly.  I'm glad we agree.