civil air patrol base access

[THRAWN]

We go through an FBI background check so that takes care of security for senior members and most of the time they do let me on base with just my cap id and once your on you are good to go they let you shop at the commissary and go to the gym or whatever else you wanna do on there. and i don't think its a lot to ask for volunteering to help the USAF and even buying all of our own supplies and uniform items.

When you become and Air Base Wing commander, you can make that decision.

[THRAWN]

It is so ridiculous we volunteer our time and are not paid, we should have all the same benefits as civilian employees do and contractors that are given cac cards, they claim we are officially part of the air force until it comes time to do anything for us. I understand obviously cadets shouldn't have cac cards but senior members definitely should.

Conversations like this are the reason why the Air Force will never give CACs to SMs....

[slimshady]

They let me do it they asked my id card and i showed it to them and they didn't have a problem with it so obviously its at there discretion.

[raivo]

Or they didn't care, or didn't know any better.

Trust me on this one - just because somebody doesn't prevent you from doing something that you probably shouldn't be doing, doesn't mean you're actually allowed to do it.

[lordmonar]

We go through an FBI background check so that takes care of security for senior members and most of the time they do let me on base with just my cap id and once your on you are good to go they let you shop at the commissary and go to the gym or whatever else you wanna do on there. and i don't think its a lot to ask for volunteering to help the USAF and even buying all of our own supplies and uniform items.

So what's the problem?   Your base is violating AFIs, DOD regulations and Federal Law by allowing you to go to the commissary and the Gym or what ever else you want to do.   I thought you were saying we couldn't do that? 

Bottom Line.

The base commander is mandated with controlling who gets access to his/her base and how that access is managed.
You are advocating (If I'm not mistaken) that we should have the same access to base just because we paid $70 to NHQ and passed a very basic criminal record check.

I don't thing that is a good enough reason.   

YMMV

[THRAWN]

They let me do it they asked my id card and i showed it to them and they didn't have a problem with it so obviously its at there discretion.

Please quit before you get any further behind. Read this entire thread, especially the responses by abdsp51 and lordmonar.

[MSG Mac]

So even though cap has just been made officially part of the airforce total force they still wont give us dbids or cac cards?
[/quote/]

Retirees don't get CAC cards either

[slimshady]

Excuse me for recognizing the countless volunteer hours of civil air patrol members and hoping to get recognized for that someday with the same benefits they give to children just cause they are dependents.

[lordmonar]

They let me do it they asked my id card and i showed it to them and they didn't have a problem with it so obviously its at there discretion.

Well....not really.  They are just hirelings that don't know any better.
You as CAP officer should know better though.  There is a CAP regulation that covers it.

http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/R147001_9603D70A69128.pdf

[THRAWN]

Is this guy for real?!!? Want the bennies? Enlist or marry a military member or get adopted by one. Lordmonar just explained the types of rules, laws and regulations that apply here. CAP ain't covered by them....

[slimshady]

FBI fingerprint background is not basic and its not just the membership fee idk how many hundreds ive spent over the years on uniform items and other things and its obviously not against federal law if they let me do it. And the problem is that the gate guards dont ever seem to know what the regulation is and sometimes don't let me in but most the time do.

[THRAWN]

This is demonstrating that you know as much about law enforcement as you do about DoD regs....good luck.

[slimshady]

Its amazing the disrespect even its own members show for civil air patrol you guys act like we are just some boy scout or 4H club.

[lordmonar]

Excuse me for recognizing the countless volunteer hours of civil air patrol members and hoping to get recognized for that someday with the same benefits they give to children just cause they are dependents.

As an Air Force Brat, Retired USAF SNCO and a member of CAP.     Most CAP members....even the very busy valuable ones.....have not sacrifices nearly as much as most USAF families.....so you are urinating up a rope on that one.

The USAF does recognize our contributions to their mission.   They give us access to their bases to do CAP business, they allow us to wear their uniform, they fund us yearly to the tune $24M yearly (IIRC).

This is whining that because CAP does a lot for the USAF then YOU and every other LCD member should have full access and privileges to USAF bases.     And that is just not right.

[goblin]

Successful troll is successful

[slimshady]

They don't let us wear there uniform we have to wear the outdated bdu and even for the blues we have many differences that set us apart. and we sacrificed our time and money so its not much to ask for and i will spend my whole cap career to fight for that and i know you will all laugh and think we don't deserve cause you all seem to not take cap seriously at all.

[lordmonar]

FBI fingerprint background is not basic

Yes....it is.

and its not just the membership fee idk how many hundreds ive spent over the years on uniform items and other things

So......you spend hundreds over they years....but a cadet sponsor member does not even have to buy a polo shirt or the full dues.

and its obviously not against federal law if they let me do it.

Like every clerk and cashier AAFES, MWR and the Commissary is fully versed in all the laws and regulations that apply.   You don't even know the contents of a single page CAPR that says you should not do it.   Ergo your argument is invalid.

And the problem is that the gate guards dont ever seem to know what the regulation is and sometimes don't let me in but most the time do.

Well.....you know Security Forces are not usually taken from the deep end of the pool.  (sorry could not help myself).   Seriously....like I said, sometimes they just don't know, sometimes they don't care and sometimes the base commander has authorized.

Bottom line.....by CAP regulations you should not be using any base facilities (other then uniform sales) unless you are actually have a valid MSA, or authorization by the base commander.

[THRAWN]

Lordmonar is one of the most involved members that I've ever run across. His work at all levels and in all fields is beyond compare. I would put in 60+ hours a week on top of my regular job. I know I wasn't alone. To say that we don't take CAP seriously is beyond off base.

BLUF: this is a fight that you will lose. Use your energy where it can do some good. If you want to wear the regular uni, enlist. We're the auxiliary of the Air Force and we're attired appropriately.

[lordmonar]

They don't let us wear there uniform we have to wear the outdated bdu and even for the blues we have many differences that set us apart. and we sacrificed our time and money so its not much to ask for and i will spend my whole cap career to fight for that and i know you will all laugh and think we don't deserve cause you all seem to not take cap seriously at all.

I laugh at you because you are funny.  Because I do take seriously.  And whining and stamping your feet over going to the gym and using the commissary is not very professional.

A nice white paper listing out the benefits CAP brings to the USAF and how expanding our use of base facilities could enhance those benefits would be more effective.

YMMV.

And with that....I'm out.

[lordmonar]

Lordmonar is one of the most involved members that I've ever run across. His work at all levels and in all fields is beyond compare.

Suck up.