Interesting Challenges of Your Wing

[JeffDG]

It's an issue that NHQ should address directly, either with a more appropriate structure or command imperative
regarding growth, but it doesn't appear to even be on the radar.

You know what?

You don't have to wait for NHQ to change things.  Fix your problems locally.

Please Grandpa, tell us how that works, exactly...

You can't fix systemic problems "locally".  You can brute force them in your own AOR.  BTDT.
That may provide some circumstantial, one-time successful activities, but it doesn't "fix" anything,
and those circumstantial successes evaporate with the calendar.

In fact, your response to your own question frames the situation quite nicely.

TNWG directly borders more other wings (AR,MO,KY,VA,NC,GA,AL,MS) and more other Regions (In SER, borders with SWR, NCR, GLR and MER) than any other wing in CAP.

Why should bordering on more wings or regions be anything more then dinner conversation?
Because every one of those Commanders brings their own "spin" to what is supposed to be a
nationally standardized organization, and the whims and fancies of the members and staff
(or non-participation of same) can throw a wrench into even the most careful plan - the fact
that you bring it up means it almost certainly has on a regular basis.

It must be so comforting to live in your world.  You're not really responsible for anything, because all the problems cannot be fixed except by NHQ, and since you're not with NHQ, it's not your responsibility.

In my world, I see a problem and I tend to take responsibility for coming up with a solution for it.  If my solution is good, I expect it to spread to others similarly situated facing the same issue.  It's how most organizations solve problems.  Local level solutions that work are adopted at higher and higher levels.  Instead of your one-size-fits-all-can't-do-anything-unless-NHQ-specifically-says-so approach, I don't pawn off responsibility on others above me to fix problems that I'm facing.  Flexibility of subordinate units is a feature, not a bug.  It's how you inject some creativity into the system, and creativity is what solves problems, not more and more rules from above.

Good God, I presented a unique situation.  I didn't say it was something that makes my life hell, it's just that we have more interfaces to maintain with our neighbours.  No big deal, but an interesting factoid.

[Eclipse]

It's an issue that NHQ should address directly, either with a more appropriate structure or command imperative
regarding growth, but it doesn't appear to even be on the radar.

You know what?

You don't have to wait for NHQ to change things.  Fix your problems locally.

Please Grandpa, tell us how that works, exactly...

You can't fix systemic problems "locally".  You can brute force them in your own AOR.  BTDT.
That may provide some circumstantial, one-time successful activities, but it doesn't "fix" anything,
and those circumstantial successes evaporate with the calendar.

In fact, your response to your own question frames the situation quite nicely.

TNWG directly borders more other wings (AR,MO,KY,VA,NC,GA,AL,MS) and more other Regions (In SER, borders with SWR, NCR, GLR and MER) than any other wing in CAP.

Why should bordering on more wings or regions be anything more then dinner conversation?
Because every one of those Commanders brings their own "spin" to what is supposed to be a
nationally standardized organization, and the whims and fancies of the members and staff
(or non-participation of same) can throw a wrench into even the most careful plan - the fact
that you bring it up means it almost certainly has on a regular basis.

It must be so comforting to live in your world.  You're not really responsible for anything, because all the problems cannot be fixed except by NHQ, and since you're not with NHQ, it's not your responsibility.

^ OK, again the facts of what I said and have been saying don't support that, even a little, but since it
helps your narrative to just make things up, so be it.

In my world, I see a problem and I tend to take responsibility for coming up with a solution for it.  If my solution is good, I expect it to spread to others similarly situated facing the same issue.  It's how most organizations solve problems. Local level solutions that work are adopted at higher and higher levels. 

That's actually quite amusing considering your posts on issues related to IT.  We both know this is not the case in CAP.

Local solutions are brute-force efforts, usually end-arounding the real system, and they work counter to the economies
of scale necessary for an organization as large as CAP to thrive.  They are also undone on a whim, throwing out the efforts
of those involved, and many times to the loss of the member.

Sometimes  that's necessary for field expedience, but those are rare cases.  Usually it's people who have simply "had enough" and instead of pushing the problem and the fix "up", they just throw duct tape on it and press on, which seems like a great idea "today",
until "tomorrow" when everyone has to attack the problem from the same vector like a new box >again<.

That's >why< we have all these fiefdoms that hold the organization back, because we have people all over the place who feel "empowered" towards local fixes, creating a mess of systems, attitudes, and procedures.

[JeffDG]

That's actually quite amusing considering your posts on issues related to IT.  We both know this is not the case in CAP.

I have consistently and strongly advocated for local solutions to issues.  I have said many times that the solution is to let people develop their own systems, and let the marketplace of ideas pick the good solutions and spread them organically. 

I have also strongly advocated for NHQ getting out for the [darn]ed way and letting such solutions take shape.  We would be light-years further ahead would NHQ get out of the way, instead of trying to impose one-size-fits-all-regulate-everything-people-do solutions.

Your solution to everything is more standardization and more regulation.  That squashes any chance of a solution from actually occurring.

[Eclipse]

No. It stops people from wasting their time reinventing the wheel.

[jeders]

Unfortunately, it's those 52 wheels and innumerable subordinate wheels that make it so difficult for different CAP groups to work together on large scale operations. Standardization from NHQ is important, because when you're wheel gets in the way of my wheel, we aren't getting the mission accomplished.

[JeffDG]

No. It stops people from wasting their time reinventing the wheel.

Actually, it prevents the initial invention of the wheel in the first place.

Local innovation means:
A:  These squares are kinda bumpy, I'm going to make pentagons
B:  Those pentagons worked better...I wonder if a hexagon will be better
C:  Screw hexagons!  Octagons rule!
D:  Dodecagons for the win!
E:   Heck, let's just round the whole thing out...
A,B,C,D:  Great, we'll do that too.

National Standardization means:
A:  I'm going to try pentagons
NATIONAL:  No, squares are the standard
B:  What about hexagons?
NATIONAL:  Squares are the standard
C:  But the squares are very bumpy
NATIONAL:  Squares are the standard.

[Майор Хаткевич]

No. It stops people from wasting their time reinventing the wheel.

Actually, it prevents the initial invention of the wheel in the first place.

Local innovation means:
A:  These squares are kinda bumpy, I'm going to make pentagons
B:  Those pentagons worked better...I wonder if a hexagon will be better
C:  Screw hexagons!  Octagons rule!
D:  Dodecagons for the win!
E:   Heck, let's just round the whole thing out...
A,B,C,D:  Great, we'll do that too.

National Standardization means:
A:  I'm going to try pentagons
NATIONAL:  No, squares are the standard
B:  What about hexagons?
NATIONAL:  Squares are the standard
C:  But the squares are very bumpy
NATIONAL:  Squares are the standard.

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[bigfootpilot]

Actually, it prevents the initial invention of the wheel in the first place.

Local innovation means:
A:  These squares are kinda bumpy, I'm going to make pentagons
B:  Those pentagons worked better...I wonder if a hexagon will be better
C:  Screw hexagons!  Octagons rule!
D:  Dodecagons for the win!
E:   Heck, let's just round the whole thing out...
A,B,C,D:  Great, we'll do that too.

National Standardization means:
A:  I'm going to try pentagons
NATIONAL:  No, squares are the standard
B:  What about hexagons?
NATIONAL:  Squares are the standard
C:  But the squares are very bumpy
NATIONAL:  Squares are the standard.

I'd suggest a 3rd way.  Take the Square that National gives you and use it as the hub of your wheel.  Abstract the square so people only see the wheel, but the wheel won't work without the square.  That's innovation in CAP.

[JeffDG]

No. It stops people from wasting their time reinventing the wheel.

Actually, it prevents the initial invention of the wheel in the first place.

Local innovation means:
A:  These squares are kinda bumpy, I'm going to make pentagons
B:  Those pentagons worked better...I wonder if a hexagon will be better
C:  Screw hexagons!  Octagons rule!
D:  Dodecagons for the win!
E:   Heck, let's just round the whole thing out...
A,B,C,D:  Great, we'll do that too.

National Standardization means:
A:  I'm going to try pentagons
NATIONAL:  No, squares are the standard
B:  What about hexagons?
NATIONAL:  Squares are the standard
C:  But the squares are very bumpy
NATIONAL:  Squares are the standard.

Oh, I forgot:
D:  Can we get a waiver to try these round things?
NATIONAL:  please contact "S" to request the waiver.  Did you know S invented the square and really hates it when people try to improve on his idea?

[Papabird]

ILWG is pretty much like IL. South of 80 it might as well be a separate wing.

There is NOTHING in Illinois between Springfield and Chicago. Lots and lots of nothing.

1. The largest automobile insurance company in the world
2. The world's leading heavy construction company.
3. The tallest college dorm in the world
4. etc.

Just because you don't like miles and miles of food (for humans & animals), fuel, and other usages doesn't mean it is nothing.   

[Alaric]

Every Wing has a unique set of circumstances, and a unique personality.

What is one thing that makes your Wing unique?

I'll start with TNWG.

TNWG directly borders more other wings (AR,MO,KY,VA,NC,GA,AL,MS) and more other Regions (In SER, borders with SWR, NCR, GLR and MER) than any other wing in CAP.

Whereas it may border the most regions, MO borders the same number of states 8 (IA, IL, KY, TN, AR, OK, KS, NE)

[Nuke52]

No. It stops people from wasting their time reinventing the wheel.

Actually, it prevents the initial invention of the wheel in the first place.

Local innovation means:
A:  These squares are kinda bumpy, I'm going to make pentagons
B:  Those pentagons worked better...I wonder if a hexagon will be better
C:  Screw hexagons!  Octagons rule!
D:  Dodecagons for the win!
E:   Heck, let's just round the whole thing out...
A,B,C,D:  Great, we'll do that too.

National Standardization means:
A:  I'm going to try pentagons
NATIONAL:  No, squares are the standard
B:  What about hexagons?
NATIONAL:  Squares are the standard
C:  But the squares are very bumpy
NATIONAL:  Squares are the standard.

Now wait just a minute here:  this is the new and improved CAP.  I thought we were only allowed to use those new triangle thingies!!!

[Eclipse]

National Standardization means:
A:  I'm going to try pentagons
NATIONAL:  No, squares are the standard
B:  What about hexagons?
NATIONAL:  Squares are the standard
C:  But the squares are very bumpy
NATIONAL:  Squares are the standard.

National Standardization means you use the squares, move on, and worry about something
where there is latitude.

When CAP, as an organization, achieves even a bare margin or proficiency and execution
with the squares, then those who are in staff jobs who are charged with looking at other shapes
can do so, at their discretion, or the direction of command.

And those who aren't SUAC.

[JeffDG]

National Standardization means:
A:  I'm going to try pentagons
NATIONAL:  No, squares are the standard
B:  What about hexagons?
NATIONAL:  Squares are the standard
C:  But the squares are very bumpy
NATIONAL:  Squares are the standard.

National Standardization means you use the squares, move on, and worry about something
where there is latitude.

When CAP, as an organization, achieves even a bare margin or proficiency and execution
with the squares, then those who are in staff jobs who are charged with looking at other shapes
can do so, at their discretion, or the direction of command.

And those who aren't SUAC.

Thanks for making my point.

[Storm Chaser]

Standardization is not a bad thing. Organizations need standardization in order to successfully operate at a larger scale. That's one of the reasons for ICS.

Standardization ≠ micromanagement or over regulation.

[Eclipse]

Standardization ≠ micromanagement or over regulation.

Exactly.

[Garibaldi]

ILWG is pretty much like IL. South of 80 it might as well be a separate wing.

There is NOTHING in Illinois between Springfield and Chicago. Lots and lots of nothing.

1. The largest automobile insurance company in the world
2. The world's leading heavy construction company.
3. The tallest college dorm in the world
4. etc.

Just because you don't like miles and miles of food (for humans & animals), fuel, and other usages doesn't mean it is nothing.   

When I lived in Milwaukee, we looked upon Illinois as a barrier to the rest of the world.  :angel:

[Eclipse]

When I lived in Milwaukee, we looked upon Illinois as a barrier to the rest of the world.

This from an economy based primarily on beer, cheese, and defibrillators...

Illinois views Wisconsin as a beach house and a waterslide.

[a2capt]

WIWG isn't the only one with the Dells..

[Garibaldi]

When I lived in Milwaukee, we looked upon Illinois as a barrier to the rest of the world.

This from an economy based primarily on beer, cheese, and defibrillators...

Illinois views Wisconsin as a beach house and a waterslide.

'Tis what it is. Cut open a Milwaukee sout' sider and if they don't bleed beer they are imposters.