Stars on Badges

[MIKE]

4. Cadets (and some seniors) wearing activity badges (National Blue Beret, National Flight Academy, etc.) on the right shirt pocket of the BDU  (where only one patch - the member's unit patch - can go)

Point of order:  The Model Rocketry patch is also worn on the right shirt pocket, and is often mistakenly worn on left shirt pocket.

12 Model Rocketry Patch embroidered centered below the pocket flap on the right breast pocket of the BDU or field uniform shirt or BDU or dark blue field jacket.

[mdickinson]

The Model Rocketry patch is also worn on the right shirt pocket, and is often mistakenly worn on left shirt pocket.

Cool. I just learned something, thanks.

But nothing can go there other than the unit patch or the model rocketry patch, right?

(envisioning someone wearing both - one sewn on top of the other...)

[MIKE]

BSA Explorer Scout patch is another, but only for dual chartered units.

[Fifinella]

According to some people I know, the GT badge with a star means GTL. They also say that the GT badge with the star and olive branches means GBD. Now I know this isn't true. That only shows how many AF missions one has been on. So why is it that when Wing ES staff is aware that a cadet is wearing this badge, nothing is done? That just interests me.

I don't understand your question.

It IS true that the star is for GTL, and the star+wreath is for GDB.

A cadet CAN wear the GTL badge if he has met the standards and is 18 years old.

OK, Gurus, does a cadet have to be 18 for GT Badge?  I can't find an age requirement in 60-3.
(Kach, understand you wrote GTL...)

[SJFedor]

According to some people I know, the GT badge with a star means GTL. They also say that the GT badge with the star and olive branches means GBD. Now I know this isn't true. That only shows how many AF missions one has been on. So why is it that when Wing ES staff is aware that a cadet is wearing this badge, nothing is done? That just interests me.

No. Wrong. Has nothing to do with amount of missions, only qualifications and/or schooling. See below.

There are two ways to get the Basic Ground Team Badge (standard badge) and the Senior Ground Team Badge (badge w/ star)

4. Requirements for Award of the Ground Team Badges:
a. Basic Ground Team Badge:
1) Be qualified as a CAP ground team member in accordance with the CAP 60-series regulations or
2) Graduate from the CAP National Ground Search and Rescue School Basic Course or equivalent program as determined by NHQ CAP/DO and certified by the school/activity director. Each wing and region is encouraged to host ground team schools with the intent of certifying their members. All schools must ensure trainees meet the current regulatory requirements for qualification in the specialty before the rating is awarded.
b. Senior Ground Team Badge:
1) Be qualified as a CAP ground team leader in accordance with the CAP 60-series regulations or
2) Graduate from the CAP National Ground Search And Rescue School Advanced Course or equivalent program as determined by NHQ CAP/DO and certified by the school/activity director. Each wing and region is encouraged to host ground team schools with the intent of certifying their members. All schools must ensure trainees meet the current regulatory requirements for qualification in the specialty before the rating is awarded.

So, someone who graduates from, lets say, NESA basic, whether or not they completed GTM3 (which they do anyway), would be entitled to wear the basic badge. Same cadet who goes to session 2 NESA Advanced, regardless of age, if they graduate the NESA Advanced, they get the badge w/ the star. This is why you'll see some younger high speeds with the Senior Ground Team Badge (referred to as the GTL badge), and as long as they've completed an equivilant advanced course, they're legit.

Those who want the badge w/ the star and wreath, however, must be GBDs.

[JohnKachenmeister]

According to some people I know, the GT badge with a star means GTL. They also say that the GT badge with the star and olive branches means GBD. Now I know this isn't true. That only shows how many AF missions one has been on. So why is it that when Wing ES staff is aware that a cadet is wearing this badge, nothing is done? That just interests me.

I don't understand your question.

It IS true that the star is for GTL, and the star+wreath is for GDB.

A cadet CAN wear the GTL badge if he has met the standards and is 18 years old.

OK, Gurus, does a cadet have to be 18 for GT Badge?  I can't find an age requirement in 60-3.
(Kach, understand you wrote GTL...)

Negative.

Cadets under 18 can earn and wear the GT badge.  Achievement of age 18 is required for the GTL badge.

FEMA, however, requires that all support personnel be 18 orolder, which is only ONE of the many reasons why we should be under the Air National Guard.

[Matt]

10) Cadet wearing, CP badge, ES Badge, Comm Badge, Marksmanship Badge, GT w/ wreath, Solo Wings, and leadership ribbon...

We'll go through these one at a time.

Obviously the CP badge and the leadership ribbon cannot be awarded to cadets (even though theoretically they've completed lvl 1 with Mitchell and CPPT, but that's another story).

Marksmanship badge: If it is the NRA badge, it must be of the old curriculum, the newer curriculum has changed and technically disqualifies cadets from wearing it because it is for a different program, if I am to understand it correctly.

As for an ES Badge, cadets can earn the BASIC ES Badge (just not senior or master).

Communications badge: Cadets are authorized to EARN ALL Ratings in Communications.  Most I've ever seen is a senior-rated cadet, but they are eligible for basic, senior and master.

A master-GT rated cadet, yup seen a couple.  They can earn it.

Solo-wings, they're no different than pilot wings, only they're for soloing, again, there is no qualm there.


So how is that completely SNAFU?

[SDF_Specialist]

Well my issue is why is that they part of CAP that has uniform infractions are are never called on it when it is noticed by someone who is knowledgeable? Why are those who point things out quietly looked at as a "narc"? With the way some things are, I wonder if I could get away with wearing the master MP badge? No, I'm not a pilot. Just blowing off some steam.

Ryan:

OK, are you saying that a cadet was seen wearing a GT badge that he was not authorized to wear, and that he was not corrected by an officer who knew that he was not entitled to wear it?  I'm still not sure what your comment is about.

Close. The cadet is wearing a GTL badge. It was pointed out by a DCC of Cadets that he isn't suppose to be wearing it until 18. I believe he is 16.

[jimmydeanno]

10) Cadet wearing, CP badge, ES Badge, Comm Badge, Marksmanship Badge, GT w/ wreath, Solo Wings, and leadership ribbon...

We'll go through these one at a time.

Obviously the CP badge and the leadership ribbon cannot be awarded to cadets (even though theoretically they've completed lvl 1 with Mitchell and CPPT, but that's another story).

Marksmanship badge: If it is the NRA badge, it must be of the old curriculum, the newer curriculum has changed and technically disqualifies cadets from wearing it because it is for a different program, if I am to understand it correctly.

As for an ES Badge, cadets can earn the BASIC ES Badge (just not senior or master).

Communications badge: Cadets are authorized to EARN ALL Ratings in Communications.  Most I've ever seen is a senior-rated cadet, but they are eligible for basic, senior and master.

A master-GT rated cadet, yup seen a couple.  They can earn it.

Solo-wings, they're no different than pilot wings, only they're for soloing, again, there is no qualm there.


So how is that completely SNAFU?

Because they were all being worn at the same time...maximum of four devices worn on blues...

[Matt]

10) Cadet wearing, CP badge, ES Badge, Comm Badge, Marksmanship Badge, GT w/ wreath, Solo Wings, and leadership ribbon...

We'll go through these one at a time.

Obviously the CP badge and the leadership ribbon cannot be awarded to cadets (even though theoretically they've completed lvl 1 with Mitchell and CPPT, but that's another story).

Marksmanship badge: If it is the NRA badge, it must be of the old curriculum, the newer curriculum has changed and technically disqualifies cadets from wearing it because it is for a different program, if I am to understand it correctly.

As for an ES Badge, cadets can earn the BASIC ES Badge (just not senior or master).

Communications badge: Cadets are authorized to EARN ALL Ratings in Communications.  Most I've ever seen is a senior-rated cadet, but they are eligible for basic, senior and master.

A master-GT rated cadet, yup seen a couple.  They can earn it.

Solo-wings, they're no different than pilot wings, only they're for soloing, again, there is no qualm there.


So how is that completely SNAFU?

Because they were all being worn at the same time...maximum of four devices worn on blues...

Tusche.  My only other question is, when?  Was it when one could wear five devices (one on each pocket, one above the name plate, two above the ribbons), previous?

[Hawk200]

Tusche.  My only other question is, when?  Was it when one could wear five devices (one on each pocket, one above the name plate, two above the ribbons), previous?

The four badge (not device) limit has been around for awhile. Any member joining in the last few years has fallen under that limitation. It's not something that was limited with just the latest release of 39-1.

And even if five were permitted, you're still missing it:
1. CP badge
2. ES Badge
3. Comm Badge
4. Marksmanship Badge
5. GT w/ wreath
6. Solo Wings

See it?

Just of curiousity, was it "Touche" that you meant to say? Because "Tusche" is a different term from a completely different language with a rather different meaning.

[Eclipse]

8. White-and-gray uniform worn with more than 2 badges (pilot wings, ground team badge, and a specialty badge... or two...)

You mean specialty like ES or CP?  That's legal, isn't it? 

The white's are configed the same as the blues with the exception of the prohibition of military ribbons.

[Capt M. Sherrod]

For the most part, except a cadet shouldn't be wearing the CP specialty badge.

[Matt]

Tusche.  My only other question is, when?  Was it when one could wear five devices (one on each pocket, one above the name plate, two above the ribbons), previous?

The four badge (not device) limit has been around for awhile. Any member joining in the last few years has fallen under that limitation. It's not something that was limited with just the latest release of 39-1.

And even if five were permitted, you're still missing it:
1. CP badge
2. ES Badge
3. Comm Badge
4. Marksmanship Badge
5. GT w/ wreath
6. Solo Wings

See it?

Just of curiousity, was it "Touche" that you meant to say? Because "Tusche" is a different term from a completely different language with a rather different meaning.

I'm seeing it, and yes, I was meaning Touche... not another word for rear-end.

Also, I do not believe that the marksmanship badge would fall into that of the specialties badges.  Especially since it specifically does not hold the same placement (page 108, item 11) as that of the standard CAP badges.

However, minus the CP badge (and respectively the leadership ribbon), as my point stands, there should be no problem...

[mdickinson]

8. White-and-gray uniform worn with more than 2 badges (pilot wings, ground team badge, and a specialty badge... or two...)

You mean specialty like ES or CP?  That's legal, isn't it? 

The white's are configed the same as the blues with the exception of the prohibition of military ribbons.

Not so... read CAPM 39-1 (table 6-3 on page 110). It says
"The CAP aviation badge and one additional CAP badge for a maximum of two badges, may be worn."

It's kind of vague but I think it means that if you wear wings, you can wear two badges; if you don't wear wings, then only one (ground team badge, CAP unit commander badge, chaplain, legal, or a specialty like AE, CP, ES, Comms) can be worn.

[Matt]

8. White-and-gray uniform worn with more than 2 badges (pilot wings, ground team badge, and a specialty badge... or two...)

You mean specialty like ES or CP?  That's legal, isn't it? 

The white's are configed the same as the blues with the exception of the prohibition of military ribbons.

Not so... read CAPM 39-1 (table 6-3 on page 110). It says
"The CAP aviation badge and one additional CAP badge for a maximum of two badges, may be worn."

It's kind of vague but I think it means that if you wear wings, you can wear two badges; if you don't wear wings, then only one (ground team badge, CAP unit commander badge, chaplain, legal, or a specialty like AE, CP, ES, Comms) can be worn.

Because I don't have the reg (I deleted it again [work comp...]) I can't give the page, however, in Chapter two under the male service dress(es) it states where specialty badges are worn, and under the SM version it states a limit of four, there is no limit spec'd under Cadets (just one avi and one spec bdg above the ribbons).

[Hawk200]

I'm seeing it, and yes, I was meaning Touche... not another word for rear-end.

Also, I do not believe that the marksmanship badge would fall into that of the specialties badges.  Especially since it specifically does not hold the same placement (page 108, item 11) as that of the standard CAP badges.

However, minus the CP badge (and respectively the leadership ribbon), as my point stands, there should be no problem...

Actually, the word "tusche" is a German word for some kind of ink. Don't know the full etymology of the word, but here's a link if you really want to look into it:

http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tusche

Didn't know you knew German, did you?

Anyway, looking at the pages for each of the blue shirts it could be construed that up to five badges are actually authorized. However, going into chapter six (Badges and Devices) there is this statement:

"A maximum of four badges/devices may be worn on the AF-style uniforms."

The next paragraph down says this:

"The maximum of four earned badges is authorized for wear on all blue service uniforms."

Now it does not state cadet or senior, so it would apply to all personnel. Granted, the CMP badges are of a different nature, but they are still badges.

I must admit, originally I had issues with this stipulation. However, I came to realize that there has to be a line drawn somewhere, or else it tends to be a little too much.

You could have eight badges(hypothetically), but you can only wear any four of them on a single uniform. Some people think that means you can only wear certain ones, and you can never wear the others. The reg does not state that, only that four may be worn. Which means you could wear a service dress coat with four, and on the shirt beneath have four completely different badges on it.

I'll probably never have that many, but it's nice to know I (and others for that matter) have the option.

[CadetProgramGuy]

8. White-and-gray uniform worn with more than 2 badges (pilot wings, ground team badge, and a specialty badge... or two...)

You mean specialty like ES or CP?  That's legal, isn't it? 

The white's are configed the same as the blues with the exception of the prohibition of military ribbons.

Ribbons are not prohibited on the whites, however it does look very tacky.

[Eclipse]

8. White-and-gray uniform worn with more than 2 badges (pilot wings, ground team badge, and a specialty badge... or two...)

You mean specialty like ES or CP?  That's legal, isn't it? 

The white's are configed the same as the blues with the exception of the prohibition of military ribbons.

Ribbons are not prohibited on the whites, however it does look very tacky.

I think there's a lot of people who would disagree, myself included - especially for those who only have that uniform to wear.

[Eclipse]

8. White-and-gray uniform worn with more than 2 badges (pilot wings, ground team badge, and a specialty badge... or two...)

You mean specialty like ES or CP?  That's legal, isn't it? 

The white's are configed the same as the blues with the exception of the prohibition of military ribbons.

Not so... read CAPM 39-1 (table 6-3 on page 110). It says
"The CAP aviation badge and one additional CAP badge for a maximum of two badges, may be worn."

It's kind of vague but I think it means that if you wear wings, you can wear two badges; if you don't wear wings, then only one (ground team badge, CAP unit commander badge, chaplain, legal, or a specialty like AE, CP, ES, Comms) can be worn.

That only applies >above< the ribbons.

You can still wear a specialty on each pocket, and the Command badge doesn't count.