FMF Badge on CAP uniforms

[FMFDOC]

Does anyone know if the FMF Warfare Pin is Authorized for wear on the CAP/AF Dress Blue Uniform. IM new getting back into CAP and can't find any guidance.


Dan Coleman
SM
HM1(FMF)/USN 98-10
OIF Disabled Veteran

[Pylon]

Doc! Welcome to the forums from a grunt who certainly appreciates our greenside Docs.


The military badges that can be worn on the CAP AF-Style dress blue uniform are controlled by the Air Force, not us.  There is a partial list of military badges that are authorized on page 116 of CAPM 39-1.  None the Navy badges (FMF Warfare, Surface warfare, submarine warfare...) are listed.  However, the last note on that page is to contact National Headquarters Membership Services for clarification on other badges to see if they are authorized.  So I'd say that's your answer: the regulation says (since it's not specifically authorized) contact NHQ for clarification.

[Stonewall]

Welcome, Doc.

If CAP ends up allowing the FMF Warfare Pin to be worn, you'll have to show proof that you're authorized the badge.

Personally, I think they should allow all official military badges be worn...not all at one time, of course :-)

[SARDOC]

I would hope that it would be...I think same genre as the Combat Infantyman's Badge of Combat Medic Badge.  However, I was told no to my Enlisted Aviation Warfare Specialist because it's not currently authorized on the USAF uniform.  I can however wear my Navy Aircrew because it's an Aeronautical badge.

It depends on if the ruling is it the Community Badge or not like the EAWS, Surface, etc...

Good Luck Doc.  Thanks for your service and Welcome back to CAP.

[stillamarine]

Heck I can't wear my gold wings. I have to wear a lead sled which sucks.

[Pylon]

Heck I can't wear my gold wings. I have to wear a lead sled which sucks.

Are you talking about the Navy/Marine Corps Parachutist Wings?  Those are an aeronautical badge and are covered by CAPM 39-1, Table 6-5, Item 1.  I have a squadron mate with dual cools and we checked with CAP/LMM, per Note 2 on Table 6-5 for any clarifications.  Their response was that the gold Navy/Marine Corps parachutist wings are, in fact, authorized for wear on the CAP AF-style uniform as an aeronautical badge.

[stillamarine]

Do you have a copy of that ruling? When I asked in 06 they told me no. If not I'll email them again so I can have it on paper. I know I can wear my scuba bubble but I choose not to and just wear my jump wings and observer wings.

[Texas Raiders]

Have any of our other Coasties already checked on devices such as Cutterman and Coxswain qualification badges?  I have both, but have yet to contact NHQ in regard to their wear. 

[PHall]

Do you have a copy of that ruling? When I asked in 06 they told me no. If not I'll email them again so I can have it on paper. I know I can wear my scuba bubble but I choose not to and just wear my jump wings and observer wings.

No ruling required. Like he said, they are an "Aviation Badge" and thus are authorized per the 39-1.
Check out the sections of the 39-1 that he quoted.

[SARDOC]

Do you have a copy of that ruling? When I asked in 06 they told me no. If not I'll email them again so I can have it on paper. I know I can wear my scuba bubble but I choose not to and just wear my jump wings and observer wings.

No ruling required. Like he said, they are an "Aviation Badge" and thus are authorized per the 39-1.
Check out the sections of the 39-1 that he quoted.

AFI 11-402 is the Air Force Instruction that covers "Aviation Badges" and "Parachutist badges"  While I think technically different by definition, I agree that since it appears to be approved for wear on the USAF uniform, I say go ahead and wear it.  You've earned it.

[Stonewall]

Have any of our other Coasties already checked on devices such as Cutterman and Coxswain qualification badges?  I have both, but have yet to contact NHQ in regard to their wear.

This may side track us a little, but I thought I'd add this.  There are companies like nametags4u.com that will make military badges with white on ultramarine (i.e. blue) for CAP uniforms.  In my squadron, we have a retired Army SF guy who had master blaster and SCUBA bubble made by Vanguard and they looks awesome! 

We had a former FMF Doc (Force Recon) who pinned on his "dual cool" badges on his CAP BDUs and I didn't think they  looked good, plus, is not CAP/USAF's practice to do so.  I asked if I could have them made for CAP uniform and he said "no, I'll wear them the right way".  Good dude whose career was cut short.  He got an NROTC scholarship but was hit by a drunk driver rendering him DQ'd from military service.  As a true Dual Cool Devil Doc, he is now wrapping up Med School.  OORAH!

Point being, I really appreciate it when our veterans wear their military badges in true CAP form, white on ultramarine.  YMMV.

Personally, I wear one military and one CAP badge.

[Flying Pig]

Do you have a copy of that ruling? When I asked in 06 they told me no. If not I'll email them again so I can have it on paper. I know I can wear my scuba bubble but I choose not to and just wear my jump wings and observer wings.

Ahhhh man!!! You gotta wear the SCUBA with the observer wings!  From the air on land and sea baby!!!! 

[stillamarine]

Do you have a copy of that ruling? When I asked in 06 they told me no. If not I'll email them again so I can have it on paper. I know I can wear my scuba bubble but I choose not to and just wear my jump wings and observer wings.

Ahhhh man!!! You gotta wear the SCUBA with the observer wings!  From the air on land and sea baby!!!!

Lol, Just for you I'll wear it on my blues at the Wing Conference next month, which'll be the next time I wear blues probably.

[Stonewall]

Lol, Just for you I'll wear it on my blues at the Wing Conference next month, which'll be the next time I wear blues probably.

Don't you still owe me a drink?  I'll see you there.

The retired SF Master Sergeant that wears his bubble will be there too, he wears it with his pilot wings.

Hold on, I thought you were in FLWG.  I just saw your signature and it says ALWG.

[stillamarine]

Nah I moved to AL when I got hired by Birmingham PD in 2008.  Next time I'll be down your way at all will be Orlando in July for vacation/conference. If you can make your way by there, I'll have a couple with you!

[GroundHawg]

Navy and Marine Corps Parachute Wings are not authorized on the USAF uniform, therefore they are not authorized on the CAP uniform. What you can do however, is wear standard parachute wings in whatever level you are authorized (basic, senior, or master)

Whenever you recieve your answer from national about your FMF Badge, can you please send a copy? I was told flat out that the EFMB cannot be worn, I am curious if they will allow the FMF.

[Stonewall]

FWIW - if you have military badges that ARE authorized for wear, you can have them made white on ultramarine...



Spur Name Tapes 1800nametapes.com.   They look identical to the standard military badges.  Just call them and tell them exactly what you want, "white on ultramarine blue Airborne and Air Assault".  Again, they perfectly done and only at $2 a set.


And then there's Nametags4u.com

[GroundHawg]

^ I ordered a bunch of different badges from them for me and a few prior service guys in my squadron. All were amazing!

[Stonewall]

^ I ordered a bunch of different badges from them for me and a few prior service guys in my squadron. All were amazing!

I just ordered CAP and LAST NAME tapes from them.  I ordered some from Vanguard and they started using the "fabric strip" instead of the webbed tapes.  Not sure why the change, but they look HORRIBLE.

Example:



And Vanguard's GTM badges are ridiculous looking now.  The wreath ("wings") look all spiky/pointy now.

[GroundHawg]

Thanks for the heads up, I refuse to wear the fabric or the ones with the "borders". I like webbed and that is all.