Would this be permitted for a CAP Cadet?

Started by JeffDG, June 10, 2014, 03:16:39 PM

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Brit_in_CAP

Quote from: Mitchell 1969 on June 11, 2014, 10:06:01 AM
I'm not sure if the right question got asked. WOULD it be possible....or COULD it be possible. There are subtle differences.

Either way, the question is incomplete. From the limited facts given (essentially, the photo), we don't know if this was a Canadian cadet who decided to suit up and sit on a grave or if it was an organized event. For all we know, RCAC flew a plane load of them for D-Day ceremonies and specified that it would be in uniform. I know that the UK ATC has organized a few trips for cadets to visit the site of Stalag Luft III and, presumably, connected the dots and jumped through the hoops.


Check and check, from personal experience.  As another example, from as long as I can recall, the UK ATC have placed teams in the annual Nijmegan Marches during which they wear their unforms.  It's simply a matter of following the process, and a CAP visit would need only to do the same.  Lots of hoops for the first person to ask, and you'd need to be willing to be beaten back a few times because of the paperwork involved but if you thought it was worth it you'd stay the course.

Honestly....all this for what is actually a very nice and very poignant picture!

BHartman007


Wing Assistant Director of Administration
Squadron Deputy Commander for Cadets

Panzerbjorn

Quote from: lordmonar on June 10, 2014, 08:11:20 PM
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Quote from: SarDragon on June 10, 2014, 07:32:48 PM
Permission would have to come from CAP NHQ, with possible coordination from the foreign government.
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I don't see why not.

The instruction is clear wear of the CAP uniform is prohibited without the approval of the wing commander of the host installation off the installation.
I was thinking more of "cadet from the states making a pilgrimage" sort of thing.

That's what IACE is for.
Major
Command Pilot
Ground Branch Director
Eagle Scout

lordmonar

Quote from: Panzerbjorn on June 11, 2014, 02:52:03 PM
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Quote from: lordmonar on June 10, 2014, 08:01:10 PM
Quote from: SarDragon on June 10, 2014, 07:32:48 PM
Permission would have to come from CAP NHQ, with possible coordination from the foreign government.
+1
I don't see why not.

The instruction is clear wear of the CAP uniform is prohibited without the approval of the wing commander of the host installation off the installation.
I was thinking more of "cadet from the states making a pilgrimage" sort of thing.

That's what IACE is for.
No...it is not.
PATRICK M. HARRIS, SMSgt, CAP

LSThiker

It is a nice picture in that it is well composed and has great light.  However, to me, it screams posed.  That causes me to lose my connection to it.  I dislike posed shots (except for the purpose of portraits obviously) as I feel it destroys the moment.

Interestingly, when I was younger, I was always taught to never walk with 6 feet of the headstone.  I am curious if this is a difference in culture, age, or what.

Panzerbjorn

Quote from: lordmonar on June 11, 2014, 03:04:16 PM
Quote from: Panzerbjorn on June 11, 2014, 02:52:03 PM
Quote from: lordmonar on June 10, 2014, 08:11:20 PM
Quote from: abdsp51 on June 10, 2014, 08:09:54 PM
Quote from: lordmonar on June 10, 2014, 08:01:10 PM
Quote from: SarDragon on June 10, 2014, 07:32:48 PM
Permission would have to come from CAP NHQ, with possible coordination from the foreign government.
+1
I don't see why not.

The instruction is clear wear of the CAP uniform is prohibited without the approval of the wing commander of the host installation off the installation.
I was thinking more of "cadet from the states making a pilgrimage" sort of thing.

That's what IACE is for.
No...it is not.

Okay.....explain.
Major
Command Pilot
Ground Branch Director
Eagle Scout

68w20

Quote from: Panzerbjorn on June 11, 2014, 04:42:17 PM
Quote from: lordmonar on June 11, 2014, 03:04:16 PM
Quote from: Panzerbjorn on June 11, 2014, 02:52:03 PM
Quote from: lordmonar on June 10, 2014, 08:11:20 PM
Quote from: abdsp51 on June 10, 2014, 08:09:54 PM
Quote from: lordmonar on June 10, 2014, 08:01:10 PM
Quote from: SarDragon on June 10, 2014, 07:32:48 PM
Permission would have to come from CAP NHQ, with possible coordination from the foreign government.
+1
I don't see why not.

The instruction is clear wear of the CAP uniform is prohibited without the approval of the wing commander of the host installation off the installation.
I was thinking more of "cadet from the states making a pilgrimage" sort of thing.

That's what IACE is for.
No...it is not.

Okay.....explain.

"The purpose of [IACEA] is to plan and run an annual, world-wide exchange for aviation-minded young people each July. Our members are drawn from 20 countries and include the Ghana National Cadet Corps, the Hong Kong Air Cadet Corps, the Turkish Aeronautical Association and the UK Air Cadet Organisation. Each year we give over 500 young people the opportunity to expand their horizons, experience different cultures and make life-long friendships."

http://www.iacea.com/

IACE is about interpersonal interaction between young, aviation-minded individuals from around the world.  Your description suggests that the intent is to let those same young people visit cool places and do cool things.  While that happens (it certainly did for me in the UK), it's not the primary focus.  Furthermore, we've already established that CAP Cadets participating in IACE do not (typically) wear USAF style uniforms. 

Panzerbjorn

Oh, y'all are still stuck on whether a cadet can wear USAF-style uniform.  I thought the question was about cadets making a pilgrimage to somewhere like France, which is what my IACE answer was regarding.

I was a Rotary Exchange Student to Japan in the early 90s.  Yes, Rotary had the whole intent and spirit of the exchange thing going on, but as a participant, the aim was to make that time overseas the most enriching and rewarding experience possible.  One always needs to be careful not to focus too much on the individual trees and forget to take in the forest.
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Command Pilot
Ground Branch Director
Eagle Scout

MHC5096

From 1990 until 1993 when the BRAC closed Plattsburgh AFB, several of the units in the former Adirondack Group had regular exchanges with Royal Canadian Air Cadet units out of Ontario and Quebec. This ongoing program was coordinated through the Wing LO and the appropriate officials in the RCAF. The PAFB Wing Commander was exteremely supportive of the program. The Canadians would be quartered in the base dorms and meals were provided by one of the dining facilities. Likewise, PAFB provided buses and drivers to take our personnel north to the Canadian side of the border where we got the same treatment. Some of the activities included base tours, band competitions and color guard/drill team competitions. All activities were conducted in uniform. I still have a box of rank insignia and unit shoulder flashes packed away somewhere. Good times!
Mark H. Crary
Lt Col, CAP (1990-Present)
DDC-P, CGAUX (2011-Present)
MSgt, USAF (1995-2011)
QM2, USN (1989-1995)

Slim

Quote from: MHC5096 on June 12, 2014, 01:31:13 PM
From 1990 until 1993 when the BRAC closed Plattsburgh AFB, several of the units in the former Adirondack Group had regular exchanges with Royal Canadian Air Cadet units out of Ontario and Quebec. This ongoing program was coordinated through the Wing LO and the appropriate officials in the RCAF. The PAFB Wing Commander was exteremely supportive of the program. The Canadians would be quartered in the base dorms and meals were provided by one of the dining facilities. Likewise, PAFB provided buses and drivers to take our personnel north to the Canadian side of the border where we got the same treatment. Some of the activities included base tours, band competitions and color guard/drill team competitions. All activities were conducted in uniform. I still have a box of rank insignia and unit shoulder flashes packed away somewhere. Good times!

Likewise, until a few years ago, Michigan Wing had a history of inviting Canadian air cadets and instructor cadre to our summer encampments.  That is until one of their officers got his RCAC involvement ended and chose not to share that with us for a couple of years.


Slim

Mitchell 1969

Quote from: Slim on June 13, 2014, 11:15:48 PM
Quote from: MHC5096 on June 12, 2014, 01:31:13 PM
From 1990 until 1993 when the BRAC closed Plattsburgh AFB, several of the units in the former Adirondack Group had regular exchanges with Royal Canadian Air Cadet units out of Ontario and Quebec. This ongoing program was coordinated through the Wing LO and the appropriate officials in the RCAF. The PAFB Wing Commander was exteremely supportive of the program. The Canadians would be quartered in the base dorms and meals were provided by one of the dining facilities. Likewise, PAFB provided buses and drivers to take our personnel north to the Canadian side of the border where we got the same treatment. Some of the activities included base tours, band competitions and color guard/drill team competitions. All activities were conducted in uniform. I still have a box of rank insignia and unit shoulder flashes packed away somewhere. Good times!

Likewise, until a few years ago, Michigan Wing had a history of inviting Canadian air cadets and instructor cadre to our summer encampments.  That is until one of their officers got his RCAC involvement ended and chose not to share that with us for a couple of years.

We had two RCAC at the CAWG encampment in 1984. One was in consideration for "honor cadet." Somebody suggested that the Canadian cadet should be ineligible because he wasn't a CAP cadet. I engaged in a brief "cultural exchange" with that person and explained that, no, he wasn't CAP, but he was a cadet, was a member of his flight and had participated fully as a basic cadet, not as a guy in a different uniform just taking snapshots. Further, he had to do it all having to learn a new D&C system on a OJT basis. Point was taken and the RCAC guy was judged on his own merits, walking away with honor cadet.

Somewhere, buried in some drawer or cabinet at CW HQ there might even be the Canadian flag that we got for the color guard to carry at the Review.
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Bernard J. Wilson, Major, CAP

Mitchell 1969; Earhart 1971; Eaker 1973. Cadet Flying Encampment, License, 1970. IACE New Zealand 1971; IACE Korea 1973.

CAP has been bery, bery good to me.