"Be Advised" (Lord Monar)

hatentx · February 12, 2009, 03:35:11 AM

Dont use "send it" What is wrong with using it after I use "Wait one" I got something going on and I cant manage the radio and what I am doing so when I am finished I can reply "hippo base this is tower 5 send it"

But "All After" "All before" are okay I dont think I have ever heard those used

"that is correct" what is wrong if "affirmative" or "rodger"

"wrong" or Negitive would work just as well

While I understand this is someone elses SOP I would venture to say it has just as many issues as anyone elses. As long as the terms are being used properly and are understood by the rest of the unit then who really cares. Radio transmission should be brief and as long as that is being done as well who really cares.

Rotorhead · February 12, 2009, 05:12:48 PM

Quote from: BuckeyeDEJ on February 10, 2009, 02:21:33 AM
P.S.: I also hate it when people say "roger that" with every response in a radio conversation.

...or in emails, or in conversation.

Rotorhead · February 12, 2009, 05:14:09 PM

Quote from: hatentx on February 12, 2009, 03:35:11 AM
Radio transmission should be brief and as long as that is being done as well who really cares.

Extra words tend to lengthen radio transmissions. Someone people think they're DJs when they pick up a mike and want to go on and on.

JoeTomasone · February 12, 2009, 05:26:04 PM

Quote from: Rotorhead on February 12, 2009, 05:12:48 PM
Quote from: BuckeyeDEJ on February 10, 2009, 02:21:33 AM
P.S.: I also hate it when people say "roger that" with every response in a radio conversation.
...or in emails, or in conversation.

Roger that.

es_g0d · February 13, 2009, 05:40:00 PM

Brevity is beauty. Out.

winterg · February 13, 2009, 10:45:01 PM

And NEVER use the term "Repeat" on the comm!

"Former 13B"

maverik · February 14, 2009, 01:44:44 AM

I did that once and got a pilot that came over the radio and said "roger (made a whistling noise) BOOM, how was hit over?" it took me a minute to figure it out

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sarmed1 · February 14, 2009, 11:45:53 AM

You know that has always been drilled into me (Repeat) but I have to wonder, does it really matter. What are the chances of someone gets some off kelter cross frequency whiz bang stuff going on that they inadvertantly hear me say repaeat and start lobbing mortor rounds down on some poor shmuck?

In the history of CAP (or anything other than actually military comms) has this happened?
Or is it just some old crusty comm guy trying to enforce his will "....'cause thats the way we learned it in the corps back in the great war....."

sorry for the rant, back to your regularly scheduled commo conversation

mk

maverik · February 14, 2009, 01:40:01 PM

You are right because most stuff is someone elses SOP and most people don't take the time to look at the actual regulation and I actually keep the reg in my go bag just in case, now if it's at a SAREVAL then I would use all the SOP you wanted me too.

wuzafuzz · February 14, 2009, 02:05:29 PM

As long as whatever phrase is used appropriately, I have no problem with it. I'd rather get the message quickly than wait for someone to think of an attention getting phrase that won't annoy the radio police. True, some phrases are used inappropriately so often that even their proper use grates on us.

On the CAP side I've watched enough cadets stress out on the air, trying to figure out which official sounding words to use instead of simply sending the message. I'm not suggesting we throw all the rules out the window, but the purpose is to communicate. If someone says "Charles Adam Paul" instead of "Charlie Alpha Papa" I will get the picture and move on.

None of the phrases mentioned so far come close to the annoyance factor of ham radio operators laughing at their own jokes for 30 seconds while transmitting. I'm a ham and I shudder when I hear that.

Ultimately, on the air practice with proper procedures will win the day. In the meantime, just send the darn message in a clear and concise manner.

JoeTomasone · February 14, 2009, 02:32:38 PM

Quote from: wuzafuzz on February 14, 2009, 02:05:29 PMNone of the phrases mentioned so far come close to the annoyance factor of ham radio operators laughing at their own jokes for 30 seconds while transmitting. I'm a ham and I shudder when I hear that.

Or "Hi, hi!" for laughter. I soooo want to scream, "THIS IS NOT CW YOU MORONS!!!!!!".

I'd love to know why CW ops couldn't have just used "HA HA"....

♠SARKID♠ · February 15, 2009, 02:24:54 AM

I put "be advised" on the list with other Hollywood induced radio faux pas such as "over and out", "roger that", "DO YOU COPY?!", and the ever so popularly frantic "I REPEAT..." even though what they said bears no repeating.

Have I accidentally said it in the past? Probably. Will I accidentally say it again? Probably. And I'll gnash my teeth and slap my own wrist when I do.

JayT · February 15, 2009, 02:34:20 AM

Quote from: ♠SARKID♠ on February 15, 2009, 02:24:54 AM
I put "be advised" on the list with other Hollywood induced radio faux pas such as "over and out", "roger that", "DO YOU COPY?!", and the ever so popularly frantic "I REPEAT..." even though what they said bears no repeating.

Have I accidentally said it in the past? Probably. Will I accidentally say it again? Probably. And I'll gnash my teeth and slap my own wrist when I do.

I disagree. I use it everyday at my job.

"Dispatch, 11-08-64, we're on a signal eighteen to New Island. Please be advised, we're Code Three with a Priority Two patient onboard, possible MI, alert the ED to have a cardiac team standing by."

es_g0d · February 15, 2009, 02:37:23 AM

So much for plain language...

RogueLeader · February 15, 2009, 02:39:58 AM

Quote from: es_g0d on February 15, 2009, 02:37:23 AM
So much for plain language...

For my mind, I don't have a problem with medic/police/swat using whatever codes they need to protect the privacy/security of thier operations.

For SAR and other type of work, good to use plain language.

JayT · February 15, 2009, 03:02:06 AM

Quote from: RogueLeader on February 15, 2009, 02:39:58 AM
Quote from: es_g0d on February 15, 2009, 02:37:23 AM
So much for plain language...

For my mind, I don't have a problem with medic/police/swat using whatever codes they need to protect the privacy/security of thier operations.

For SAR and other type of work, good to use plain language.

I actually disagree. Everyone should be in plain language as much as possible these days, there's very little reason except for brevity in certain case's, and security/privacy in others.

For example, in my county and company, a 'Signal Ten, forthwith' means "Police Assistance urgently needed."

In the county next to us, a 'Signal Ten' is a structure fire. In New York City, the next area over, Police Assistance/Unit in distress is a '10-83.'

"Dispatch, 11-08-64, we are proceding to New Island Hospital with the patient onboard. Just so you know, we are driving fast with lights and sirens on, the patient is potientially unstable but not yet critical, with the signs and symptoms of a myocardial infarction. Please let the hospital know this so the proper staff can be awaiting our arrival."

ßτε · February 16, 2009, 03:26:23 AM

I'm curious. What is the differnce in the meaning of

"Dispatch, 11-08-64, we're on a signal eighteen to New Island. Please be advised, we're Code Three with a Priority Two patient onboard, possible MI, alert the ED to have a cardiac team standing by."

and

"Dispatch, 11-08-64, we're on a signal eighteen to New Island. We're Code Three with a Priority Two patient onboard, possible MI, alert the ED to have a cardiac team standing by."

JayT · February 16, 2009, 04:23:52 AM

*blinks*

I wanna say that it alerts the dispatcher that there is something special about the transmission.

Slim · February 16, 2009, 04:48:24 AM

I agree with Joe, I use "Be advised" all the time at work. It just lets the receiver know that I'm about to pass on something important that they should probably listen to (in the new era of MDCs and alphanumeric pages with call info, medics and EMTs at my service are kinda lazy about listening to everything we say on the radio).
For example, a lot of our calls are coded as "Medical Call Pending" by our CAD and MPDS protocols (which are computer driven), and that's what the crew receives on their pagers and MDC. So, I might dispatch the call to a unit while I'm listening to my partner questioning the caller. If I over hear a nature, I'll call and update them. "809, be advised that you have a 91 year old female with a possible MI."

Or another example: "809, copy you priority three to Doctor's Hospital, be advised that they are rerouting everything except priority ones."

It's just a way to key them into something important that they should listen to when they're otherwise preoccupied or just not paying attention.

lordmonar · February 16, 2009, 04:10:42 PM

A lot of this boils down to just plain training.

We avoid codes because not everyone uses the code words the same way. A Polic signal 18 is different then a Fire or EMT signal 18. "10" codes can get long and involved as do the Q codes Hams use.

Even the offical Prowords that are approved for use can be a little daunting....especially when you attack new users for "misusing" the prowords. "over and out" "Roger Wilco" etc.

Good radio work...is to follow three simple rules.

Listen befor you talk.
Think Before you talk.
Keep your messages short and to the point.

All else is gravy.

The world won't end if you say "be advised". It won't even end if you say "over and out".

If the distant end can understand what you said and do what you want them to do....you are communicating.

Sure we should all try to work toward a perfect comm enviornment where everyone talks the same way and uses all the proper prowords and procedures. But it not going to cost anyones life or drain our bank accounts if we are a little lax in our procedures.