Quote from: farsightusf2017 on April 05, 2024, 01:02:58 PMYup tracking assuming by the name of FDU it was nomex. As I realize now the 2PFDU is the nomex OCP not the green two piece we have in the Navy. I wonder if the blue 2P massifs were considered?

Doubtful. I found that likely a good portion of the people involved with uniform policy outside of general members making recommendations are....somewhat ignorant of current uniforms in real world applications and related technological advances. The only reason Massif flight jackets were added was because of a few people who wear them were able to be involved with one of the drafts.

Oh yeah, Massif jackets both green and OCP were in the draft. I believe they were retained.

Quote from: Dustoff17 on April 06, 2024, 02:13:00 AM

Quote from: Paul Kretschmar on December 30, 2023, 12:05:34 AMSquadron Commander here. .. (we require three visits even for transfers). 
.. In my wing, transfers from out of state require Wing CC approval.

My squadron does not maintain paper records...

-Other than you're the Commander and "it's my way or the highway", by what justification do you hold back a Cadet's promotion by almost half of the norm?

-OP, I suspect that if this Wing Commander micro-manages Cadet transfers to this level, there are WAY more issues in the Wing than we can discuss here.

-Do you upload every CAPF 60-90, SDAs, and rubric forms too?

Cadets promoting every 56 days in the minimum not a schedule and it's the squadron commander's call if the cadet is ready for their next promotion. Promotions, cadet or senior are not automatic.

Quote from: Paul Kretschmar on December 30, 2023, 12:05:34 AMSquadron Commander here. .. (we require three visits even for transfers). 
.. In my wing, transfers from out of state require Wing CC approval.

My squadron does not maintain paper records...

-Other than you're the Commander and "it's my way or the highway", by what justification do you hold back a Cadet's promotion by almost half of the norm?

-OP, I suspect that if this Wing Commander micro-manages Cadet transfers to this level, there are WAY more issues in the Wing than we can discuss here.

-Do you upload every CAPF 60-90, SDAs, and rubric forms too?

Quote from: RiverAux on April 05, 2024, 12:01:14 PMDoes anyone complain that they're horning in on the Red Cross if they set up a shelter or hand out water bottles?

No, because they're not worried about remaining relevant in today's world of disaster response. They get paid either way. I'm saying we should focus on missions that nobody else does or does well to ensure we remain relevant. Because after awhile, if all we do is help the Red Cross then eventually people will realize they just need to join the Red Cross.

Quote from: RiverAux on April 05, 2024, 12:01:14 PMThese days there is a much reduced need for the sort of airborne capabilities that we have, but that isn't a dealbreaker -- the federal legislation organizing CAP says that we can respond to any sort of emergency and doesn't put any limit on what types of activities we can do while responding. 

That being said, CAP has been failing for decades to actually come up with a vision for how we respond to natural disasters that addresses anything other than airborne photography.  Now, I don't see anything wrong with us assisting other agencies in something that they specialize in.  They're probably always going to need more manpower.  Really, is that any different than a lot of what the National Guard does during disasters?  Does anyone complain that they're horning in on the Red Cross if they set up a shelter or hand out water bottles? 

Helping the Red Cross hand out water/meals is what we have done in the past in California Wing.
Something a 16 year old cadet with a GES can do.

Quote from: PHall on April 05, 2024, 04:45:38 AM

Quote from: SierraOneThree on April 05, 2024, 03:30:31 AM

Quote from: farsightusf2017 on April 04, 2024, 02:50:31 PMDon't get me wrong I'm not against 2PFDU although I don't see the benefit for us. I guess minus taking off the blouse when it's hot but at that point we should fly in ABUs/BBDU? Where as that option doesn't exist for those in MiLAV who have to wear the nomex and the 2 piece is great for the crew dogs.

It was mainly one of those we were trying to future-proof, and allow AF/Army aircrews who had them issued be able to wear them to CAP as well as anyone who wanted to get them. It's a very different fabric from the standard OCPs, much more comfortable for general usage, for meetings and staff jobs, etc. I was hoping to not have to blouse my boots, but I guess I'll just stick with the green nomies.

It's a different fabric because they're Nomex.

Yup tracking assuming by the name of FDU it was nomex. As I realize now the 2PFDU is the nomex OCP not the green two piece we have in the Navy. I wonder if the blue 2P massifs were considered?

These days there is a much reduced need for the sort of airborne capabilities that we have, but that isn't a dealbreaker -- the federal legislation organizing CAP says that we can respond to any sort of emergency and doesn't put any limit on what types of activities we can do while responding. 

That being said, CAP has been failing for decades to actually come up with a vision for how we respond to natural disasters that addresses anything other than airborne photography.  Now, I don't see anything wrong with us assisting other agencies in something that they specialize in.  They're probably always going to need more manpower.  Really, is that any different than a lot of what the National Guard does during disasters?  Does anyone complain that they're horning in on the Red Cross if they set up a shelter or hand out water bottles? 

Quote from: SierraOneThree on April 05, 2024, 03:30:31 AM

Quote from: farsightusf2017 on April 04, 2024, 02:50:31 PMDon't get me wrong I'm not against 2PFDU although I don't see the benefit for us. I guess minus taking off the blouse when it's hot but at that point we should fly in ABUs/BBDU? Where as that option doesn't exist for those in MiLAV who have to wear the nomex and the 2 piece is great for the crew dogs.

It was mainly one of those we were trying to future-proof, and allow AF/Army aircrews who had them issued be able to wear them to CAP as well as anyone who wanted to get them. It's a very different fabric from the standard OCPs, much more comfortable for general usage, for meetings and staff jobs, etc. I was hoping to not have to blouse my boots, but I guess I'll just stick with the green nomies.

It's a different fabric because they're Nomex.

Quote from: farsightusf2017 on April 04, 2024, 02:50:31 PMDon't get me wrong I'm not against 2PFDU although I don't see the benefit for us. I guess minus taking off the blouse when it's hot but at that point we should fly in ABUs/BBDU? Where as that option doesn't exist for those in MiLAV who have to wear the nomex and the 2 piece is great for the crew dogs.

It was mainly one of those we were trying to future-proof, and allow AF/Army aircrews who had them issued be able to wear them to CAP as well as anyone who wanted to get them. It's a very different fabric from the standard OCPs, much more comfortable for general usage, for meetings and staff jobs, etc. I was hoping to not have to blouse my boots, but I guess I'll just stick with the green nomies.

Well considering that we don't do the same thing everywhere. In some some states there is very little, if any, GT action and in others we get lots of GT missions. A lot depends of the state laws that govern ES in each state.
So trying to do a one size fits all solution just won't work.