Another ranger program??

[RiverAux]

Incidentally, the last time this issue came up I submitted a question to the KB and was told that these were supposed to be closed book.  I don't know if it ever made it in the KB itself (I've asked about 5 questions and none were ever actually placed in the KB for some reason).  So, I've got no proof of that answer, but ask them yourself if you'd like. 

[Eclipse]

Last time I looked there were about 20 GT tasks that could be handled by a written quiz.  Just about all of the GT3 tasks are included.  But, haow about O-0101?  Run across one of those snakes and you're not going to have time to dig the guide out of your backpack to figure out if it is dangerous or not.

Sure, there are a lot of ways things can be done - dog tasking - "stay away from the dogs".  Done.

See any snake, move away.  Done.

That doesn't mean because yo have decided to do things through a PME that the rest of the universe is required to.

Incidentally, the last time this issue came up I submitted a question to the KB and was told that these were supposed to be closed book.  I don't know if it ever made it in the KB itself (I've asked about 5 questions and none were ever actually placed in the KB for some reason).  So, I've got no proof of that answer, but ask them yourself if you'd like.

No need.

[arajca]

Incidentally, the last time this issue came up I submitted a question to the KB and was told that these were supposed to be closed book.  I don't know if it ever made it in the KB itself (I've asked about 5 questions and none were ever actually placed in the KB for some reason).  So, I've got no proof of that answer, but ask them yourself if you'd like.

So, the KB says you can't use the task guide - but that response is not available to anyone but you. At the same time, the vast majority of the tasks say you can use the task guide in the evaluation instructions. Guess which one most members will use?

Hint - test says you can use book means it's open book, despite what someone at NHQ meant or what is supposed to be.

[Spaceman3750]

Last time I looked there were about 20 GT tasks that could be handled by a written quiz.

You just reminded me. I'm working on that.

[RiverAux]

Hint - test says you can use book means it's open book, despite what someone at NHQ meant or what is supposed to be.

And where the test says that, I agree with you.  But, it does not in many cases in the task guide (GT specifically - I haven't look at the others recently). 

[husker]

Last I heard, NESA was allowing use of the task guide when students were being tested for their quals.  If that is still the case, then NESA most certainly is in the wrong.  As long as that is the case, I won't be attending and won't really be encouraging others to do so as their testing system is substandard as far as I'm concerned.

At least in GSAR, this is not true.  We do not allow the use of the task guide when evaluating either knowledge based or  practical tasks.

[BTCS1*]

If you have to look in a book to check, you don't know it. Simple as that.

[Eclipse]

If you have to look in a book to check, you don't know it. Simple as that.

Really?  How do you identify the natural hazards?  Draw them from memory?

Have you ever seen a pilot use a checklist?

[RiverAux]

Really?  How do you identify the natural hazards?  Draw them from memory?

Well, you could perform the task test as required in the task guide -- obtain photos of 1 haz plant, 5 haz animals, and a drawing/picture of a haz terrain feature and have the student correctly identify all 7 and have them identify 2 ways of avoiding the hazards in 6/7 photos. 

[Eclipse]

Really?  How do you identify the natural hazards?  Draw them from memory?

Well, you could perform the task test as required in the task guide -- obtain photos of 1 haz plant, 5 haz animals, and a drawing/picture of a haz terrain feature and have the student correctly identify all 7 and have them identify 2 ways of avoiding the hazards in 6/7 photos.

If you have the task guide in your hand, you are already holding pictures of the hazardous plants and animals.

[a2capt]

There's a difference between a reference and finding the answer because you don't know it.

[Eclipse]

There's a difference between a reference and finding the answer because you don't know it.

Agreed, and if you can't tell the difference, you should not be an SET.

[RiverAux]

Really?  How do you identify the natural hazards?  Draw them from memory?

Well, you could perform the task test as required in the task guide -- obtain photos of 1 haz plant, 5 haz animals, and a drawing/picture of a haz terrain feature and have the student correctly identify all 7 and have them identify 2 ways of avoiding the hazards in 6/7 photos.

If you have the task guide in your hand, you are already holding pictures of the hazardous plants and animals.

"Cadet Smith -- look at this picture labeled "copperhead snake" and tell me what hazardous animal is pictured"
"Sir, that is a copperhead snake"
"Congratulation Cadet Smith, you know your natural hazards, where is your SQTR so I can sign it?"

[Eclipse]

I love you, man, value your service, and respect your contributions here.

[ranger_freak]

Training is seldom a bad thing.  The problem here is what seems to follow the "Ranger" training, the almost inevitable rush toward bling and developing the elitist attitudes.  Just call it SAR or GT training and move on.

Shouldn't you want an elitist attitude?  We as CAP members search for missing people.  If you were a missing person, would you care if your searchers called something "ranger training" or "ground team training"?  I don't think you would.  If calling it ranger gets more people involved then HOORAH!!!!!!

[NCRblues]

Training is seldom a bad thing.  The problem here is what seems to follow the "Ranger" training, the almost inevitable rush toward bling and developing the elitist attitudes.  Just call it SAR or GT training and move on.

Shouldn't you want an elitist attitude?  We as CAP members search for missing people.  If you were a missing person, would you care if your searchers called something "ranger training" or "ground team training"?  I don't think you would.  If calling it ranger gets more people involved then HOORAH!!!!!!

First...holy necro batman....

Second...  ranger that 

[ranger_freak]

What do you mean?  Are you being racist?

[Pylon]

What do you mean?  Are you being racist?

No.  He said "necro" short for "thread necromancy" as in "bringing back to life long dead threads."   See: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/thread_necromancy

[Eclipse]

What do you mean?  Are you being racist?

The dictionary is your friend, use it.

[Eclipse]

Shouldn't you want an elitist attitude?  We as CAP members search for missing people.  If you were a missing person, would you care if your searchers called something "ranger training" or "ground team training"?  I don't think you would.  If calling it ranger gets more people involved then

Except the attitude fostered by this optional high adventure activity creeps into the required components of the  CP, which is unacceptable.