Civil Air Patrol access to Air Force (and perhaps all DoD) bases

[desertengineer1]

Actually, I believe my initial direct question was "how has this affected various CAP members' access to their bases", and since installation access controls are being "standardized" across the DoD through DBIDS, I wanted to see what the "on-the-streets" implications have been.

None.  The procedures for access have not changed.  The installation commander approves access of CAP members for a specific function or need (meeting, SAREX, competition, encampment).  This is usually done through a derived authority process and by access letter, signed by someone with escort authority.

Your name goes on the list - just like the 4H doing a fundraiser, or the local town mayor visiting for a change of command.

As always, you agree to abide by the rules.

[flyguy06]

Hasnt affected my access to base at all

[Eclipse]

Actually, I believe my initial direct question was "how has this affected various CAP members' access to their bases", and since installation access controls are being "standardized" across the DoD through DBIDS, I wanted to see what the "on-the-streets" implications have been.

Because?

[RADIOMAN015]

Currently there is no problem with access at the military base we hold our meeting at.  I personally don't use my CAP ID card for base access since I am a military retiree.

For Civil Air Patrol units that meet on military installations, there currently are procedures set forth by installation security officials at each base that CAP commanders comply with to ensure access of authorized CAP personnel to bases.

This new system really is a massive undertaking, and the press release at Lackland states they can input about 10 people per hour per machine (so about 6 minutes for each person).

I would agree with you that eventually Civil Air Patrol members are likley to be affected by this, especially those that utilize facilities on military bases for their regular meetings.

BTW I would think that someone at our National Hdqs would be asking CAP-USAF HQ to find out what procedures may have to be followed by CAP members in the future.
RM 

[AirDX]

Actually, I believe my initial direct question was "how has this affected various CAP members' access to their bases", and since installation access controls are being "standardized" across the DoD through DBIDS, I wanted to see what the "on-the-streets" implications have been.

I work on Hickam AFB (very shortly to become Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam) and we have a squadron on Hickam, but the first I've heard of DBIDS is this thread.  Though a little googling and I see in PACAF it's in use in Korea and Yokota AFB.  Not scheduled here yet, though.  I'll find out about base access for CAP members who don't otherwise have access.

[desertengineer1]

Actually, I believe my initial direct question was "how has this affected various CAP members' access to their bases", and since installation access controls are being "standardized" across the DoD through DBIDS, I wanted to see what the "on-the-streets" implications have been.

I work on Hickam AFB (very shortly to become Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam) and we have a squadron on Hickam, but the first I've heard of DBIDS is this thread.  Though a little googling and I see in PACAF it's in use in Korea and Yokota AFB.  Not scheduled here yet, though.  I'll find out about base access for CAP members who don't otherwise have access.

They really have nothing to do with each other.  Was in PACAF this year.  The integrated system is just an expedited way to add additional verification of ID.  Think of it as a you do / don't live here check.  As a TDY visitor, they scanned my ID, and it gave a little angry buss instead of a happy beep.  They asked for additional authorization (orders), and that was that.  CAP has nothing to do with it.

[Nick]

They really have nothing to do with each other.  Was in PACAF this year.  The integrated system is just an expedited way to add additional verification of ID.  Think of it as a you do / don't live here check.  As a TDY visitor, they scanned my ID, and it gave a little angry buss instead of a happy beep.  They asked for additional authorization (orders), and that was that.  CAP has nothing to do with it.

Sure, that was that for a status member (AD/RES/ANG/DEP/CIV/CTR).  I'm not really talking about the actual "at-the-gate verification process", more about the policies for enrolling CAP members at various locations.  I have seen the pass and ID section at bases treat CAP members as anything from short-term visitors to civilian employees to active duty officers... so I'm curious if they are standardizing the eligibility for CAP members, or if it's still being arbitrarily decided.

[Major Carrales]

Actually, I believe my initial direct question was "how has this affected various CAP members' access to their bases", and since installation access controls are being "standardized" across the DoD through DBIDS, I wanted to see what the "on-the-streets" implications have been.

Because?

What are you getting at there, Eclipse?

[desertengineer1]

Sure, that was that for a status member (AD/RES/ANG/DEP/CIV/CTR).  I'm not really talking about the actual "at-the-gate verification process", more about the policies for enrolling CAP members at various locations.  I have seen the pass and ID section at bases treat CAP members as anything from short-term visitors to civilian employees to active duty officers... so I'm curious if they are standardizing the eligibility for CAP members, or if it's still being arbitrarily decided.

That's going to depend on the installation procedures.  I don't expect CAP members to be included because we are not "24 hour access".

So, at best, I expect the standard access list process to apply.

[Pumbaa]

Wow, access to the base I am at is real easy....

Flash your lights 7 times as you approach the guy or gal with the big gun.

Smile really big and try not to stare at the big gun...  Show your CAC and keep smiling, don't look at the big gun...  Pull away real slow, because if you squeal the tires then holes start appearing in your car and your head....

Holding cash out, sometimes works too...

See easy peasy...

BTW for those who are worried about OPSEC this is tongue in cheek.

[AirDX]

CAP has nothing to do with it.

Uh, yeah, I know that.  Two sentences.  1. DBIDS.  2. CAP access to JBPHH.

[PHall]

Wow, access to the base I am at is real easy....

Flash your lights 7 times as you approach the guy or gal with the big gun.

Smile really big and try not to stare at the big gun...  Show your CAC and keep smiling, don't look at the big gun...  Pull away real slow, because if you squeal the tires then holes start appearing in your car and your head....

Holding cash out, sometimes works too...

See easy peasy...

BTW for those who are worried about OPSEC this is tongue in cheek.

And they still shoot ya because nobody smiles like that unless they're guilty about something.
(Plus flashing your lights made them think you were the pizza delivery guy.)

[SarDragon]

Nah, man, the pizza signal is your four-way flashers. 

[Spike]

^ You joke, but Fort Dix had a serious problem with pizza delivery in the past. It could have been a whole lot worse, and thanks to that situation as well as other problems, we have DBIDS before us now. 

[RogueLeader]

Yeah we know.  Theres a thread about it.

Lighten up Francis. . . .

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

Sounds like CAP-USAF needs to do thier job.  Time for a determination on what CAP is, how we are used, what access we have, what our ID Cards need to be and what support the Air Force will provide to CAP members.

Getting base security familiar with AFI 10-2701 wouldn't hurt either.

Also a standard CAP photo ID to replace/supplement the general ID card; one that maybe has scannable information that you've passed an FBI fingerprint check.

We meet on an ANG base (anonymous in the interest of OPSEC) with civilian guards.  Go to the base visitor's office once you get a permanent card, they issue you a document to show the guards, and 99% of the time you're good to go.

I've never had a problem.  Even before I had the document mentioned above, when I would have to go into the guard shack to get base visitor's clearance, they were always friendly and courteous.  I went to the Security Forces facility to get my prints done and they were all really cool to me.

Recently I've had to show driver's licence a couple of times, but I suspect that was in the aftermath of what happened at Fort Hood.

My squadron CC drives home in no uncertain terms that we are guests on their base, they provide our meeting facility, and our conduct must reflect that, or we will no longer have that access.

[NCRblues]

I am not trying to be rude at all, but um…
How in the world is saying the guard base you have weekly meetings at an opsec issue???

I mean, as you say, you have to check in with base security anyway, so someone could not just come rolling up to the gate claiming their with that cap thingy, so I am really at a loss at how it could have opsec connections.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

^^^Intended to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek, since the OPSEC issue was raised earlier.

Irony doesn't come across well on the internet.

Sorry.

[Rotorhead]

Sounds like CAP-USAF needs to do thier job.  Time for a determination on what CAP is, how we are used, what access we have, what our ID Cards need to be and what support the Air Force will provide to CAP members.

Getting base security familiar with AFI 10-2701 wouldn't hurt either.

Also a standard CAP photo ID to replace/supplement the general ID card; one that maybe has scannable information that you've passed an FBI fingerprint check.

Given that bases that use DBIDS accept only DBIDS and that every base will ultimately use DBIDS, that's unnecessary and wouldn't help.