Medals to be worn on the dress blue uniform

[JArvey]

It's not Vanguard that determines what we call things.

They are called the same thing all throughout CAP, with perhaps a few nicknames like chest candy. But they are insignia and badges- that's in some of our manuals and regulations.

I know, but I had not even heard of the names until I started going on Vanguard.

[Eclipse]

...perhaps a few nicknames like chest candy.

Ribbons = jelly beans!

Badges = coins!

(Put the coins in and out come the jelly beans!)

[jeders]

The link at the bottom of the page shows the link to the medals im talking about, ive seen cadets with these on their uniforms, I just have never heard anyone say how to obtain these. Could someone please tell me how to get the
medals from admin officer down on the link below? thanks, and also is their a regulation for how to get all patches that go on the left pocket on the BDUs?

http://www.vanguardmil.com/?main_page=page&id=29

Ok... I said medals because I did not know what they were, but just because I said that does not mean that I'm a new cadet, in fact im a officer.

This truly scares me.

Anyone who doesn't at least know that these are specialty badges and insignia by the time they're a C/NCO, let alone Cadet Officer, has not learned enough of the basics. As far as not knowing how the badges are earned, not your fault, that requires reading several regs that you may not be familiar with. But you're an officer now, it is your responsibility to read the regs, know the regs, and teach them to those below you.

[Major Carrales]

My fellow CAPTALKERs, never fall into the trap of thinking that CAP is somehow "homogeneous" and that, despite what we know to be true, there is not regional terminology or other slang going around.  Also, that everyone is doing what they are supposed to.

Here is that I mean, let's say a person or group of people want to start a unit in a new area that is over an hour from then nearest unit and over two hours from Group HQ and over five hours from WING (don't say it can't happen..that was the situation in Corpus Christi circa 2005).  Thus, they get visited only "every so often" even by friendly unofficial visitors and rarely from anyone from command or HQ.

They follow the regulations in isolation, develop local nuances that end up being traditions.  In time they group to the point where they are active in Group and Wing activities (Corpus Christi circa 2007).  Mistakes are made in the isolation, traditions spring up and solidify in isolation.  With no one to instill "CAP Culture" nothing is known of it.

In time, due to exposure to the GREATER CAP, like THROUGH CIVIL AIR PORTAL and CAPTALK, things are corrected and there is a base line to operate out and said officers gain some wisdom from having built a unit up and then charter satellite unites (CORPUS CHRISTI and KINGSVILLE circa yesterday)

Now...why type all that to address the above points.  Because WE CANNOT BE EATING OUR YOUNG here.  Especially when it is a given that situations like the above exist and CAP units grow in "window boxes" all over the nation.

Now, when some Cadet or CAP Officer comes here and makes a remark that smacks or ignorance...how about a helping hand of correction instead of a bunch of arrogant comments and sarcasm that amount to a slap in the face?

I got a mouthful of that here over the years and it is a bitter taste.  Maybe so bitter that it might drive some away...member retention issues and all.  I've had it out over and over with some of you.  But I needed the help and guidance.  Thank God for those that took me under their WING and shared wisdom.  Others, who's remarks were more hurtful than helpful in those days are disconnected.  You may live in CAP PARADISE, some of us are very much on a frontier.

Just think about it before posting in reply to comments such as the use of the term "medals" in this thread.

[DBlair]

a squadron patch (Model Rocketry and a handful of others also may go here) on the left breast pocket, and a specialty patch on the left breast, typically on cadets this is from a National Cadet Special Activity they have attended.

The squadron patch or Model Rocketry patch are worn on the RIGHT breast pocket, not left. Specialty patches (Comm, Safety, etc) or NCSA patches are worn on the LEFT breast pocket. Specialty insignia (wings, GT badges, EMT badges) are worn over the Civil Air Patrol tape on the left breast.

Model Rocketry is actually worn in the same place as specialty or NCSA patches, i.e. on the left pocket. A way to remember this is that the left pocket is for something you earn. Right pocket is always for the unit patch.

[arajca]

a squadron patch (Model Rocketry and a handful of others also may go here) on the left breast pocket, and a specialty patch on the left breast, typically on cadets this is from a National Cadet Special Activity they have attended.

The squadron patch or Model Rocketry patch are worn on the RIGHT breast pocket, not left. Specialty patches (Comm, Safety, etc) or NCSA patches are worn on the LEFT breast pocket. Specialty insignia (wings, GT badges, EMT badges) are worn over the Civil Air Patrol tape on the left breast.

Model Rocketry is actually worn in the same place as specialty or NCSA patches, i.e. on the left pocket. A way to remember this is that the left pocket is for something you earn. Right pocket is always for the unit patch.

Bzzt! Wrong Answer. Ref CAPM 39-1, table 6-2, line 12

12 | Model Rocketry Patch | embroidered centered below the pocket flap on the right breast pocket of the BDU or field uniform shirt or BDU or dark blue field jacket.

The badge is worn on the left pocket of the blues. The patch is worn on the RIGHT pocket of the bdu.

[DBlair]

While I'm usually pretty sharp with the 39-1, I respectfully submit that you are correct.

[Hawk200]

The badge is worn on the left pocket of the blues. The patch is worn on the RIGHT pocket of the bdu.

I agree that's what the reg says. My own opinion is that it's stupid. Why should it be worn on a different side on one uniform than another?

Haven't thought about it lately, but I think I'm gonna send this one up the chain for change in the manual.

[SarDragon]

The badge is worn on the left pocket of the blues. The patch is worn on the RIGHT pocket of the bdu.

I agree that's what the reg says. My own opinion is that it's stupid. Why should it be worn on a different side on one uniform than another?

Haven't thought about it lately, but I think I'm gonna send this one up the chain for change in the manual.

Oh no!

Then it will take 20 years for everyone to get it right. 

[Hawk200]

The badge is worn on the left pocket of the blues. The patch is worn on the RIGHT pocket of the bdu.

I agree that's what the reg says. My own opinion is that it's stupid. Why should it be worn on a different side on one uniform than another?

Haven't thought about it lately, but I think I'm gonna send this one up the chain for change in the manual.

Oh no!

Then it will take 20 years for everyone to get it right. 

Nah. There are some people already putting it on the left pocket of BDUs. They aren't correct now, but they will be as soon as someone approves the change.

[DBlair]

The badge is worn on the left pocket of the blues. The patch is worn on the RIGHT pocket of the bdu.

I agree that's what the reg says. My own opinion is that it's stupid. Why should it be worn on a different side on one uniform than another?

Haven't thought about it lately, but I think I'm gonna send this one up the chain for change in the manual.

Oh no!

Then it will take 20 years for everyone to get it right. 

Nah. There are some people already putting it on the left pocket of BDUs. They aren't correct now, but they will be as soon as someone approves the change.

To be honest, out of the many many many Cadets I've seen wearing the rocketry patch, I think I've only ever seen about 2 Cadets wearing the Rocketry patch on the right pocket.

I need to see if I can find some of my old Cadet greens and BDUs to see how I used to wear it.

[JArvey]

While I'm usually pretty sharp with the 39-1, I respectfully submit that you are correct.

You dont see too many people post something like this on CT to much, and the rocketry patch on the right breast really makes no sense, I got chewed out because I had it on my left pocket.

[manfredvonrichthofen]

Hey, some of these guys are massive 39-1 Gurus. From what I could understand it said that you could wear four badges ie CIB, AASLT, GT, and EMT. But they let me know how it should be worded in the manual and I realized I needed to fix my jacked up self. These guys are on the money!

[Hawk200]

Hey, some of these guys are massive 39-1 Gurus. From what I could understand it said that you could wear four badges ie CIB, AASLT, GT, and EMT. But they let me know how it should be worded in the manual and I realized I needed to fix my jacked up self. These guys are on the money!

And you shouldn't have needed to come here for the help. The manual needs to be clearer, and incorporate all those various ICLs into one pub. We shouldn't have to put together a uniform by "Oh, I've got this pub; that letter; and that letter, oh wait, there's another letter. Wait, or there any more letters?" That's jacked.

I think one thing that would help is to have the same rules for both corporate and blues, with the only stipulation being the "no military badges/decs/awards/etc. on corporates" (military things are probably not going to ever be permitted on corporates, so let's not argue over it). The same number of badges on corporates, the same general rules. Clarify things, mirror the Air Force on things like placement on both, and be done with it.

[manfredvonrichthofen]

Hey, some of these guys are massive 39-1 Gurus. From what I could understand it said that you could wear four badges ie CIB, AASLT, GT, and EMT. But they let me know how it should be worded in the manual and I realized I needed to fix my jacked up self. These guys are on the money!

And you shouldn't have needed to come here for the help. The manual needs to be clearer, and incorporate all those various ICLs into one pub. We shouldn't have to put together a uniform by "Oh, I've got this pub; that letter; and that letter, oh wait, there's another letter. Wait, or there any more letters?" That's jacked.

I think one thing that would help is to have the same rules for both corporate and blues, with the only stipulation being the "no military badges/decs/awards/etc. on corporates" (military things are probably not going to ever be permitted on corporates, so let's not argue over it). The same number of badges on corporates, the same general rules. Clarify things, mirror the Air Force on things like placement on both, and be done with it.

Couldn't agree more. One manual, up to date, and with descriptive wording. You shouldn't have to peruse the entire manual in order  to be able to figure out what exactly the regulation is on placement. There should also be better figures on the uniform. Probably the use of a mannequin would be better than actual personnel. The use of uniforms that also have the maximum allowed application of badges and ribbons would be a positive change from the pictures of someone in BDUs with only the bare minimum doesn't help explain much of anything at all. The only thing that a human in uniform would be good for is a full body picture of the uniform and how it is supposed to hang on the person, the blouse of the boots, the roll of the sleeves, and the break in the bottom of the blues trousers and anything else that needs illustration on wear that does require a person.

[Hawk200]

Couldn't agree more. One manual, up to date, and with descriptive wording. You shouldn't have to peruse the entire manual in order  to be able to figure out what exactly the regulation is on placement. There should also be better figures on the uniform. Probably the use of a mannequin would be better than actual personnel. The use of uniforms that also have the maximum allowed application of badges and ribbons would be a positive change from the pictures of someone in BDUs with only the bare minimum doesn't help explain much of anything at all.

Agreed. Find someone with maximum everything to model it. Or one of a low quantity, and one with with high. Starting to wonder if it might not be a bad idea to go back to drawings for most of the pub.

The only thing that a human in uniform would be good for is a full body picture of the uniform and how it is supposed to hang on the person, the blouse of the boots, the roll of the sleeves, and the break in the bottom of the blues trousers and anything else that needs illustration on wear that does require a person.

You could still do that with a mannequin, it would just require a little more attention to the details. Like the way you think though.

So, what are we going to do about it?

Edit: Just perused AFI 36-2903, Aug 2006, with Change 1. Thinking that's a good base to start with. It includes badges and shows rank insignia as well. One stop shoppng when it comes to setting up.

[manfredvonrichthofen]

So, what are we going to do about it?

Most likely nothing. Partialy because there are a lot of other things that need taken care of also.

[Hawk200]

So, what are we going to do about it?

Most likely nothing. Partialy because there are a lot of other things that need taken care of also.

I see your point, but I'm starting to think that "fake it til you make it" could start with everyone being on the same page on how to dress. Once a major thing that affects everyone is cleaned up (hopefully enough that there's really nothing to argue about, then again who am I kidding), people might start focusing on other stuff.

[manfredvonrichthofen]

That would be nice to stop having to show everyone how to wear the uniform over and over. One major help with that would be a nice manual that says it all. Maybe even on DVD if that would help. Then we could get more time on operational aspects and more AE and Leadership.

[Major Carrales]

That would be nice to stop having to show everyone how to wear the uniform over and over. One major help with that would be a nice manual that says it all. Maybe even on DVD if that would help. Then we could get more time on operational aspects and more AE and Leadership.

There have been several discussions, committees and other machinations about preparing a solid CAP uniform manual instead of the hodge-podge of letters (which, as I understand it, are supposed to be codified in the Regs after a given time or phase out) but it never seems to happen.