Wright Brothers Award Numbering

[kd8gua]

I'm currently waiting for NHQ to process my paperwork to reinstate my membership and all of those good things, and I had previously mentioned that I received the Wright Brothers Award shortly after it came out.

At my parent's house for Thanksgiving, I went into the attic to dig out my old CAP cadet items. I found my Encampment certificate (which is good to prove I attended Encampment) and I also found my Wright Brothers Award.

Of course, remembering that my former squadron was not always on top of things, my Wright Brothers Award certificate is neither numbered nor dated. Surprisingly the Squadron CC did remember to sign it though. Seeing as though my certificate has no information on it aside from my name, will NHQ even have it on file, or is there a chance that it nmay not even have been put on record at NHQ?

[Eclipse]

The answers to your question(s) is "yes".

And you won't know until you are reinstated.

NHQ is very good about restoring things to your records that you can substantiate.

[kd8gua]

That is excellent news. I can finally put a date on my Wright Award then

[LtCol057]

Unless I'm mistaken, the Wright Brothers certificate are not numbered. At least, not numbered by NHQ.  It's issued by the local squadron, not NHQ. 

[Pylon]

Unless I'm mistaken, the Wright Brothers certificate are not numbered. At least, not numbered by NHQ.  It's issued by the local squadron, not NHQ.

NHQ issues an award number at the national level.  The local unit imprints the stock certificate with the number issued by NHQ.

[Spike]

NHQ issues an award number at the national level.  The local unit imprints the stock certificate with the number issued by NHQ.

Do you perhaps have a template for the Award certificate?  On that same question, does anyone have templates for CAP Awards that are presented at the local level (appreciation etc.)??  I only ask, so I don't go inventing something everyone already has.  PLUS I already have been to the Texas wing site and none of thier templates match up to the certificates for me. 

[Eclipse]

Do you perhaps have a template for the Award certificate?  On that same question, does anyone have templates for CAP Awards that are presented at the local level (appreciation etc.)??  I only ask, so I don't go inventing something everyone already has.  PLUS I already have been to the Texas wing site and none of thier templates match up to the certificates for me.

You're better off just making your own specific to the printer.  They all vary, even between versions of the same machine.

A finished template may get you close, but probably won't be spot-on anyway.

[jeders]

Unless I'm mistaken, the Wright Brothers certificate are not numbered. At least, not numbered by NHQ.  It's issued by the local squadron, not NHQ.

NHQ issues an award number at the national level.  The local unit imprints the stock certificate with the number issued by NHQ.

They number them now that they're considered true milestone awards.

[kd8gua]

I suppose I should ask this then: When did the Wright Awards start being numbered? Was it 1 April 2003 or some point after?

[SarDragon]

AFAIK, it started immediately.

[LtCol057]

I checked some of ours last night, earlier ones were not numbered.  Seems that only the ones issued within the last year or so have numbers.  Again, I could be wrong, and I'm sure someone will let me know.   

[PHall]

They started numbering them as soon as the Wright Brothers Achievement became the Wright Brothers Award when the current version of the 52-16 took effect.

[Майор Хаткевич]

They started numbering them as soon as the Wright Brothers Achievement became the Wright Brothers Award when the current version of the 52-16 took effect.

Aaand people actually sent in the proper paperwork. Otherwise, the numbers, like mine end up being around the same time. So someone who got his WBA around my WBA# wasn't eligible for the Mitchell for some 10 months, while I also got my Mitchell # at that point.

[kd8gua]

So it's possible, if my squadron really wasn't on top of paperwork, that they just gave me a Wright Award certificate and put my name on it and never actually gave the paperwork to NHQ? Since all other promotions after until the Mitchell are only recorded at the Squadron level, it seems entirely possible that I might not even have a Wright Award on file.

[PHall]

So it's possible, if my squadron really wasn't on top of paperwork, that they just gave me a Wright Award certificate and put my name on it and never actually gave the paperwork to NHQ? Since all other promotions after until the Mitchell are only recorded at the Squadron level, it seems entirely possible that I might not even have a Wright Award on file.

The fax machine is your friend and you need to monitor your own paperwork.

[wacapgh]

And not having a number assigned to a WBA (or any milestone) can cause trouble later on.

I took on Leadership Officer as a 5th or 6th "hat" (or is that 7th or 8th?  ) a few weeks ago and, submitted a completed 52-2 (Phase II/Mitchell Award). To my suprise, NHQ held processing it as there was no WBA certificate number on file.  That delayed processing a week until I could get access to and send in a copy of the 52-1.

The reports in Cadet Promotions will show a completion date, but that does not necessarily mean that NHQ has processed the milestone and assigned a certificate number. It may have been entered via the "Administration" module. To find certificate numbers, you have to exit Cadet Promotions, go into Member Search and individually check each cadet's training record.

I have submitted a feature request that milestone certificate numbers be added to the reports in Cadet Promotion and possibly "flag" any instaces where there is a completion date but no certificate number.

[Майор Хаткевич]

And not having a number assigned to a WBA (or any milestone) can cause trouble later on.

I took on Leadership Officer as a 5th or 6th "hat" (or is that 7th or 8th?  ) a few weeks ago and, submitted a completed 52-2 (Phase II/Mitchell Award). To my suprise, NHQ held processing it as there was no WBA certificate number on file.  That delayed processing a week until I could get access to and send in a copy of the 52-1.

The reports in Cadet Promotions will show a completion date, but that does not necessarily mean that NHQ has processed the milestone and assigned a certificate number. It may have been entered via the "Administration" module. To find certificate numbers, you have to exit Cadet Promotions, go into Member Search and individually check each cadet's training record.

I have submitted a feature request that milestone certificate numbers be added to the reports in Cadet Promotion and possibly "flag" any instaces where there is a completion date but no certificate number.

That still happens?

I received my Mitchell in March 2006, but I also joined right at the change, so I had both 52-1 and 52-2 sent.

[Pingree1492]

(...)The reports in Cadet Promotions will show a completion date, but that does not necessarily mean that NHQ has processed the milestone and assigned a certificate number. It may have been entered via the "Administration" module. To find certificate numbers, you have to exit Cadet Promotions, go into Member Search and individually check each cadet's training record.

I have submitted a feature request that milestone certificate numbers be added to the reports in Cadet Promotion and possibly "flag" any instaces where there is a completion date but no certificate number.

That is incorrect.  You cannot enter the Wright Brothers Award or anything past the Mitchell Award into the Cadet Promotion Application using the Administration mode. 

Also, if you have correctly processed and entered awards at National, they will show the award number in the Cadet Promotion Application.  If you are not showing award numbers there, then they don't exist.

I should note, that it is possible to enter a cadet for the Feik, skip over the Wright Brothers, and then enter in the Lindbergh (Achievement 4, C/TSgt), and have the system accept it.  Or at least it used to be... maybe they've fixed that since they released it, I don't really want to pick a cadet and try it tonight to verify. 

And, it's been my experience that even if National delays processing for whatever reason, they will backdate the award to the date on the form you sent in.  I had a Mitchell that was delayed in processing because there were some problems with encampment paperwork being processed that year (not on National's end).  It delayed processing by a couple of weeks, but when the award was finally entered, it had the correct date from the form I sent in.  So while a delay there may set back a promotion ceremony, it shouldn't delay a cadet's advancement if you have a fast-burner.

[wacapgh]

I can't say how or why it happened, but I have documentation and communications from NHQ confirming that it did happen. The database showed an approval date, but there had not been a certificate number assigned. This may have been the only instance in the entire database, but it there it was.

[kd8gua]

Just wanted to give this topic a bump with some new information.

Now that I'm a full member again, I talked to NHQ about my cadet records, and somehow they have no record of me ever completing the Wright Brothers Award. So my non-numbered, non-dated certificate is in fact null and void, and I never even made it past C/SrA, unless I can find my cadet records at my old squadron. Apparently they did not feel it important to turn in my Wright Award to NHQ...