Two different ES patches

[vorter]

So i want to get a ES patch for my uniform (I am qualified) but i found these 2 different patches

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What is the difference between the two and which should i put on my BDU's???

[Major Carrales]

Presently, both are allowed.  As I have noticed in my area, cadets tend to opt for the "Pluto Patch" and seniors the "Trainer."  I currently use neither, electing for the more simple look...one would assume that my GT badge was sufficient.

Again, it is a personal preference.  I will give you no grief...but some of the others like to make much ado about this.

[DC]

I wouldn't wear either one, they are huge, obnoxious and look ridiculous.

To honestly answer your question though, there is no functional difference, they both mean the same thing. And to be clear, you must be qualified in at least two ES specialties (i.e. GES plus one other thing, GT, UDF, MRO, etc) to be able to wear the patch.

[SarDragon]

Pick whichever one you like the best, and sew it on in the proper place. The lower item is the original ES patch. It was replaced by the upper one in 1966. Sometime between 1987 and 1997, the original patch was again authorized for wear, as a choice. I think Vanguard only sells the dog patch now.

Its wear is authorized by eServices action.

[davis]

I currently have the Pluto patch on my BDUs. I would love to have the other one but I can't find it on vanguard. Anyone know where I could find it?

[SarDragon]

They show up once in a while on eBay.

[davis]

Hopefully someone on here is willing to sell theirs on eBay?
Anyone? Anyone?

[SJFedor]

Hopefully someone on here is willing to sell theirs on eBay?
Anyone? Anyone?

You're better off to keep your uniform simple, lest you be mistaken for a boyscout.

[arajca]

I wouldn't wear either one, they are huge, obnoxious and look ridiculous.

No argument here.

To honestly answer your question though, there is no functional difference, they both mean the same thing. And to be clear, you must be qualified in at least two ES specialties (i.e. GES plus one other thing, GT, UDF, MRO, etc) to be able to wear the patch.

Cite, please.

[DakRadz]

Hopefully someone on here is willing to sell theirs on eBay?
Anyone? Anyone?

You're better off to keep your uniform simple, lest you be mistaken for a boyscout.

Now sir, I'm not one much for meaningless posts, but this warrants it:
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

To honestly answer your question though, there is no functional difference, they both mean the same thing. And to be clear, you must be qualified in at least two ES specialties (i.e. GES plus one other thing, GT, UDF, MRO, etc) to be able to wear the patch.

Cite, please.

Emphasis mine. If you would?

[Thom]

I wouldn't wear either one, they are huge, obnoxious and look ridiculous.

No argument here.

To honestly answer your question though, there is no functional difference, they both mean the same thing. And to be clear, you must be qualified in at least two ES specialties (i.e. GES plus one other thing, GT, UDF, MRO, etc) to be able to wear the patch.

Cite, please.

Here you go...

CAPR35-6 Aeronautical Ratings, Emergency Services Patch and Badges, and Ground Team Badges

3. Requirements for Award of the CAP Emergency Services Patch. Current and qualified in accordance with CAPR 60-3, CAP Emergency Services Training and Operational Missions as a general emergency services member with one additional specialty qualification.

Also, the award of the ES Patch is now tracked as an ES Award in MIMS.  You won't be able to turn it on for someone until they have GES and one other specialty qualification.


Thom

[arajca]

Here you go...

CAPR35-6 Aeronautical Ratings, Emergency Services Patch and Badges, and Ground Team Badges

3. Requirements for Award of the CAP Emergency Services Patch. Current and qualified in accordance with CAPR 60-3, CAP Emergency Services Training and Operational Missions as a general emergency services member with one additional specialty qualification.

Also, the award of the ES Patch is now tracked as an ES Award in MIMS.  You won't be able to turn it on for someone until they have GES and one other specialty qualification.


Thom

Accepted. Although it is redundant since you have to have GES BEFORE you get any other ES qualification, and GES is not usually accepted as a qualification, but as a prerequisite for all the rest.

[Short Field]

GES qualifies you to be at a mission and you can be put to work at just about any task the IC feels fit to assign you.  You would be officially "under supervision" but you could do a lot of different functions.   

[flyboy53]

So i want to get a ES patch for my uniform (I am qualified) but i found these 2 different patches

and


What is the difference between the two and which should i put on my BDU's???

Both are authorized, it's your choice. And, if it helps, there's a bit of a history lesson here.

The Pluto patch dates from the 50s and 60s and was first worn by the CAP Owner Pilot Service...guys that you only saw during missions. They also had a red name tag and generally didn't have a rank. There was a small version that was worn on a baseball cap and a larger version worn on a flight suit. I'm not sure when it became an ES patch, but I'm pretty sure that happed in the late 1970s due to member popularity. The emblem itself, however, is a lot older and I was once told that it dated from World War II, but I've never seen anything close to it as one of the costal patrol bases.

The oval patch has a T-34 in it so you can guess when it was authorized. I never liked it because, to me, it looked like something off a gas station uniform. These days, however, I've seen a lot of them worn on baseball caps. They fit nicely and look good in that manner.

Personally, I like the dog patch because of the history. I don't wear it and I wish the powers that be up above at Maxwell would allow it worn on the right shoulder in place of the optional wing patch where all the other special activity patches are worn.

[Eclipse]

What is the difference between the two and which should i put on my BDU's???

One is round, one is oval.

Neither.

[SarDragon]

The dog (Pluto or Bird Dog) patch was introduced in 1966 1961 as the ES patch. The T-34 was introduced in 1966.

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[JC004]

The difference is one is a cartoon and one is close to a cartoon.

The best option is neither.  The second best option is the stupid plane.  The worst possible option is the cartoon. 

I currently have the Pluto patch on my BDUs. I would love to have the other one but I can't find it on vanguard. Anyone know where I could find it?

If it would go to the good cause of having a Pluto patch removed, I will send you one for free if I can find one in my bins of stuff.

[Mustang]

[opinion]

The difference is one is a cartoon and one is close to a cartoon.

The best option is neither.  The second best option is the stupid plane.  The worst possible option is the cartoon.

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[vento]

The difference is one is a cartoon and one is close to a cartoon.

The best option is neither.  The second best option is the stupid plane.  The worst possible option is the cartoon. 

I currently have the Pluto patch on my BDUs. I would love to have the other one but I can't find it on vanguard. Anyone know where I could find it?

I wear neither, but if it helps to kill the triangle thingy, then I will the Pluto patch without hesitation for the cause. At least it is official and properly authorized. 

If it would go to the good cause of having a Pluto patch removed, I will send you one for free if I can find one in my bins of stuff.

[JC004]

There IS something to be said for the fact that at least it's authorized/duly approved by our governing bodies.  Not only that, but unlike our various logos, it actually has guidance for its use too.  Yikes.