The Army has "selected" their new pattern:
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140523/NEWS04/305230076/Army-selects-new-camo-pattern (http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140523/NEWS04/305230076/Army-selects-new-camo-pattern)
That's gonna look ugly with ultramarine blue nametapes on it. >:D >:D >:D
QuoteThe Army has decided on a new camo to replace the unpopular Universal Camouflage Pattern on your ACUs— and the selection is very similar to MultiCam.
"very similar to MultiCam" = "our lawyers say it's different enough for copyright and royalty purposes."
http://www.hyperstealth.com/scorpion/ (http://www.hyperstealth.com/scorpion/)
Better pictures.
Quote from: Panache on May 24, 2014, 02:49:41 AM
QuoteThe Army has decided on a new camo to replace the unpopular Universal Camouflage Pattern on your ACUs— and the selection is very similar to MultiCam.
"very similar to MultiCam" = "our lawyers say it's different enough for copyright and royalty purposes."
Pretty much. Scorpion was designed by Crye under contract, the Army holds the rights to the pattern.
That would make it .. ARPAT ;)
Here we go again. More waste.
"Simpsons did it!"
Well, the British rather: (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46960000/jpg/_46960405_uniformsx3.jpg) (soldier on left)
And it was produced by the same company!!
So much for that entire Congressional mandate that all the armed forces settle on one common camo pattern, eh?
Wait until people in CAP start pushing for it...with yukky ultramarine insignia.
Quote from: CyBorg on May 24, 2014, 07:29:20 AM
Wait until people in CAP start pushing for it...with yukky ultramarine insignia.
This calls for a photoshop!
yay...not...
Quote from: Panache on May 24, 2014, 06:43:31 AM
So much for that entire Congressional mandate that all the armed forces settle on one common camo pattern, eh?
They have until 2017, and they are gunna milk what they can out of the time left
Quote from: Panache on May 24, 2014, 06:43:31 AM
So much for that entire Congressional mandate that all the armed forces settle on one common camo pattern, eh?
And this may be that pattern. The Army may just be the first Service to roll it out. ;)
I know... shut up Shuman. :P
..it's not over until the fat lady signs the order, and the rounds of appeals are rung out.
Quote from: SamuelRosinsky on May 24, 2014, 01:56:32 PM
Quote from: Panache on May 24, 2014, 06:43:31 AM
So much for that entire Congressional mandate that all the armed forces settle on one common camo pattern, eh?
They have until 2017, and they are gunna milk what they can out of the time left
I'd love to see someone try to tell the Coast Guard that they now have to where a uniform of any form of camoflage as their main utility uniform. It literally makes no sense. The only camo uniforms worn by the CG are worn by the handfull of coasties (literally less than a few hundred) who work overseas in southwest Asia.
There will be a lot of exceptions to this so-called congressional mandate, and I'm very very confident the CG will be one of those exceptions. As it is, the CG already sources it uniforms from a single, relatively small company called Fox Appearal. Even back when the army, air force, and marine corp all wore the same woodland BDU's, the CG was still wearing pretty much the same uniform as it wears now. I could see, perhaps, a push to make two uniforms, one for the Naval services (CG and Navy) and one for the land services..................but not one uniform for all.
Desert Camoflage for those who work on the water, and literally have NO AUTHORIZATION to conduct their mandated missions on land makes no sense.
The question is... Is there a difference in a "working" uniform and a "combat" uniform in the collective minds of Congress?
I concur, in theater, where the need to confirm friend or foe by mark-1 eyeball dictates that all Services should be in one camo pattern uniform.
BUT
In garrison, not so much. On board a ship, even less so.
Blink fast while looking.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Irishwind/SigForum/NWU.jpg)
Quote from: shuman14 on May 24, 2014, 05:44:06 PM
The question is... Is there a difference in a "working" uniform and a "combat" uniform in the collective minds of Congress?
The question is.....Is there a mind that be collective in congress? >:D
More wasteful spending...
Quote from: antdetroitwallyball on May 24, 2014, 05:37:18 PM
Quote from: SamuelRosinsky on May 24, 2014, 01:56:32 PM
Quote from: Panache on May 24, 2014, 06:43:31 AM
So much for that entire Congressional mandate that all the armed forces settle on one common camo pattern, eh?
They have until 2017, and they are gunna milk what they can out of the time left
Desert Camoflage for those who work on the water, and literally have NO AUTHORIZATION to conduct their mandated missions on land makes no sense.
I believe they are going for pattern, rather than a specific variant. Case and point, there is a woodland, desert, and snow variants of MARPAT and i believe they will do the same for this new pattern
the patterns change faster than the wars...
Quote from: antdetroitwallyball on May 24, 2014, 05:37:18 PM
I'd love to see someone try to tell the Coast Guard that they now have to where a uniform of any form of camoflage as their main utility uniform. It literally makes no sense. The only camo uniforms worn by the CG are worn by the handfull of coasties (literally less than a few hundred) who work overseas in southwest Asia.
Having worn ODUs for a bit now... and even Tropical Blue, solid CG blue is a magnet for dirt. I can see the point of the Navy NWU just in the amount of crap I pick up just getting out of the car in my freshly pressed uniform.
When I first saw the camouflage that Royal Australian Navy personnel wear aboard ship, I thought "what the heck use do they get from that?"
It was then pointed out to me that such colours/patterns are very good for having the kind of dirt they would get aboard ship not be the "magnet" that Mike describes.
(http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/new_ran_uniforms.jpg)
But...as for Civil Air Patrol, and this will never, ever happen, regardless of colour, it might be useful (and simpler) to have one with epaulettes and we could wear our standard shoulder marks on it, leather aircrew-type patch (like the AF tried) and MAJCOM patch. We would look much less like walking billboards, there would be much less sewing and all those who scream blue murder about "distinctiveness" would be sated (a little humour there).
This is the reason I refuse to buy anything else in the ACU pattern (HATE the ACU) unless forced by my command (maybe not even then). 3 deployments and 3 different uniforms......enough already.....
BBDU would be my choice for CAP though it would mean a specific purchase for CAP that not all could afford.
I find it interesting when I went to the link. Army Times has 24 comments and CAP Talk has 24 comments. Wonder who takes uniform issues more seriously ::)
Just my 2 cents here. I am one of the new guys here. Any uniform with the shirt worn outside, not tucked in, seems to me anyway, to be a safety hazard. It might get caught on something like equipment when working. Has anyone had an issue with this?
Quote from: Nikos on May 26, 2014, 11:13:22 PM
Just my 2 cents here. I am one of the new guys here. Any uniform with the shirt worn outside, not tucked in, seems to me anyway, to be a safety hazard. It might get caught on something like equipment when working. Has anyone had an issue with this?
I don't think it was a consideration when creating unifoms. The blouse has been untucked for hundreds of years.
+1 Garibaldi. I've taken my BDUs through nearly two years of exercises and other use and I haven't encountered a problem.
Quote from: Nikos on May 26, 2014, 11:13:22 PM
Just my 2 cents here. I am one of the new guys here. Any uniform with the shirt worn outside, not tucked in, seems to me anyway, to be a safety hazard. It might get caught on something like equipment when working. Has anyone had an issue with this?
Not an issue, most of the time loose clothing and jewelry is removed before working on the flight line at least in the AF anyway. Not to mention the Navy does wear shirts and vests during flight ops that are loose. And as long as someone has their head on a swivel and has their SA in check not that big of a deal.
Quote from: BFreemanMA on May 26, 2014, 11:18:54 PM
+1 Garibaldi. I've taken my BDUs through nearly two years of exercises and other use and I haven't encountered a problem.
No issues.
When I said hundreds of years, I meant literally hundreds of years, way back to the Revolutionary war and back. I'm not sure why, but every time I see a soldier in a uniform from the past, the blouse has always been un-tucked. The only exception I can think of was the OG fatigues, which we tucked in. I've seen them un-tucked in combat zones but in garrison they were tucked in.
In all the years that I wore BDU's on active duty....the biggest safety issue I ever encountered was the fricking buttons! Especially the ones for the side flaps! Those used to catch on all sort of stuff.....and if you were doing camo netting......forget about it! You were going to get stuck!
Quote from: Pulsar on May 24, 2014, 09:47:59 PM
the patterns change faster than the wars...
If I recall correctly, we haven't officially declared war since World War II. Korea was a "police action", in Vietnam we were "advisors", etc.
So, we haven't had a war in over 70 years! [/sarcasm]
Quote from: CyBorg on May 25, 2014, 01:08:02 AM
When I first saw the camouflage that Royal Australian Navy personnel wear aboard ship, I thought "what the heck use do they get from that?"
It was then pointed out to me that such colours/patterns are very good for having the kind of dirt they would get aboard ship not be the "magnet" that Mike describes.
(http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/new_ran_uniforms.jpg)
But...as for Civil Air Patrol, and this will never, ever happen, regardless of colour, it might be useful (and simpler) to have one with epaulettes and we could wear our standard shoulder marks on it, leather aircrew-type patch (like the AF tried) and MAJCOM patch. We would look much less like walking billboards, there would be much less sewing and all those who scream blue murder about "distinctiveness" would be sated (a little humour there).
I like it. I have seen CAP members with patches all over, and they look like walking rainbows. This looks a lot less flashy. Unfortunately, the epaulets would never be authorized. Maybe we could get something other than ultramarine blue, though.
I think CAP should just stick with the BDUs, the only problem with that is BDUs are dissapearing. ACUs have an awful pattern and with look terrible with our ultramarine nametapes and insignia. I do like the new Multicam though...
Quote from: SilentPhantom on May 29, 2014, 06:13:15 PM
I think CAP should just stick with the BDUs, the only problem with that is BDUs are dissapearing. ACUs have an awful pattern and with look terrible with our ultramarine nametapes and insignia. I do like the new Multicam though...
My choice would be plain green BDU's, readily available online. It would give the flavour of the "pickle suit," a nod to our history.
Quote from: CyBorg on May 30, 2014, 07:18:44 AM
Quote from: SilentPhantom on May 29, 2014, 06:13:15 PM
I think CAP should just stick with the BDUs, the only problem with that is BDUs are dissapearing. ACUs have an awful pattern and with look terrible with our ultramarine nametapes and insignia. I do like the new Multicam though...
My choice would be plain green BDU's, readily available online. It would give the flavour of the "pickle suit," a nod to our history.
(shudder)
I hated those pickle suits when I was a cadet...
Quote from: Panache on May 30, 2014, 07:31:22 AM
Quote from: CyBorg on May 30, 2014, 07:18:44 AM
Quote from: SilentPhantom on May 29, 2014, 06:13:15 PM
I think CAP should just stick with the BDUs, the only problem with that is BDUs are dissapearing. ACUs have an awful pattern and with look terrible with our ultramarine nametapes and insignia. I do like the new Multicam though...
My choice would be plain green BDU's, readily available online. It would give the flavour of the "pickle suit," a nod to our history.
(shudder)
I hated those pickle suits when I was a cadet...
^+1
Yeah, we'd look awfull in those 'pinkle suits' lol
Quote from: SilentPhantom on May 30, 2014, 04:17:12 PM
Quote from: Panache on May 30, 2014, 07:31:22 AM
Quote from: CyBorg on May 30, 2014, 07:18:44 AM
Quote from: SilentPhantom on May 29, 2014, 06:13:15 PM
I think CAP should just stick with the BDUs, the only problem with that is BDUs are dissapearing. ACUs have an awful pattern and with look terrible with our ultramarine nametapes and insignia. I do like the new Multicam though...
My choice would be plain green BDU's, readily available online. It would give the flavour of the "pickle suit," a nod to our history.
(shudder)
I hated those pickle suits when I was a cadet...
^+1
Yeah, we'd look awfull in those 'pinkle suits' lol
OOO! OOO! OG jungle fatigues!
Quote from: Garibaldi on May 30, 2014, 04:18:50 PM
Quote from: SilentPhantom on May 30, 2014, 04:17:12 PM
Quote from: Panache on May 30, 2014, 07:31:22 AM
Quote from: CyBorg on May 30, 2014, 07:18:44 AM
Quote from: SilentPhantom on May 29, 2014, 06:13:15 PM
I think CAP should just stick with the BDUs, the only problem with that is BDUs are dissapearing. ACUs have an awful pattern and with look terrible with our ultramarine nametapes and insignia. I do like the new Multicam though...
My choice would be plain green BDU's, readily available online. It would give the flavour of the "pickle suit," a nod to our history.
(shudder)
I hated those pickle suits when I was a cadet...
^+1
Yeah, we'd look awfull in those 'pinkle suits' lol
OOO! OOO! OG jungle fatigues!
lol if we wear those NHQ'll start sending us off to do SAREXs in Vietnam
Quote from: SilentPhantom on May 30, 2014, 04:49:00 PM
lol if we wear those NHQ'll start sending us off to do SAREXs in Vietnam
Been to Viet Nam. Nice place. Just do not wonder too far off the trail :)
Only the OD green with our existing nametapes would be reminiscent of the "pickle suit."
It would be in a standard BDU cut.
(http://www.militaryuniformsupply.com/files/products/p/poly-cotton-od-green-bdu-jacket.jpg)
Quote from: LSThiker on May 30, 2014, 04:59:56 PM
Quote from: SilentPhantom on May 30, 2014, 04:49:00 PM
lol if we wear those NHQ'll start sending us off to do SAREXs in Vietnam
Been to Viet Nam. Nice place. Just do not wonder too far off the trail :)
lol, yeah, there're probably still pits with pungi sticks in the bottoms all over the place...
http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=3896.0 (http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=3896.0)
Quote from: CyBorg on May 30, 2014, 05:17:04 PM
Only the OD green with our existing nametapes would be reminiscent of the "pickle suit."
It would be in a standard BDU cut.
(http://www.militaryuniformsupply.com/files/products/p/poly-cotton-od-green-bdu-jacket.jpg)
If we were to replace the BDU with a non-Air Force field uniform, why would we pick a green one when we already have a blue one that doesn't require additional approval? With the right color patches (meaning navy blue instead of ultramarine), this is not a bad looking uniform. Furthermore, not only is it an approved uniform, but many of our members already own a set. It seems like a no brainer to me.
Quote from: SilentPhantom on May 30, 2014, 04:49:00 PM
Quote from: Garibaldi on May 30, 2014, 04:18:50 PM
Quote from: SilentPhantom on May 30, 2014, 04:17:12 PM
Quote from: Panache on May 30, 2014, 07:31:22 AM
Quote from: CyBorg on May 30, 2014, 07:18:44 AM
Quote from: SilentPhantom on May 29, 2014, 06:13:15 PM
I think CAP should just stick with the BDUs, the only problem with that is BDUs are dissapearing. ACUs have an awful pattern and with look terrible with our ultramarine nametapes and insignia. I do like the new Multicam though...
My choice would be plain green BDU's, readily available online. It would give the flavour of the "pickle suit," a nod to our history.
(shudder)
I hated those pickle suits when I was a cadet...
^+1
Yeah, we'd look awfull in those 'pinkle suits' lol
OOO! OOO! OG jungle fatigues!
lol if we wear those NHQ'll start sending us off to do SAREXs in Vietnam
Well, MH370 is still missing...
Quote from: Storm Chaser on May 30, 2014, 05:31:49 PM
If we were to replace the BDU with a non-Air Force field uniform, why would we pick a green one when we already have a blue one that doesn't require additional approval? With the right color patches (meaning navy blue instead of ultramarine), this is not a bad looking uniform. Furthermore, not only is it an approved uniform, but many of our members already own a set. It seems like a no brainer to me.
You are correct, of course, and I say that as someone who owns, wears and likes the BBDU...but it would look worlds better with the darker-blue insignia.
Quote from: HGjunkie on May 24, 2014, 03:02:14 AM
http://www.hyperstealth.com/scorpion/ (http://www.hyperstealth.com/scorpion/)
Better pictures.
Funny. Looks very similar to a lot of uniforms worn by different countries in WWII. 70 years later and millions of dollars to come up with something the Italians and Germans were wearing in the 1940's.
Not the only thing that looks like "what Germans were using" 70 years ago.
The helmet worn now by US soldiers, for instance.
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on June 15, 2014, 12:58:40 PM
Not the only thing that looks like "what Germans were using" 70 years ago.
The helmet worn now by US soldiers, for instance.
The Germans came up with a lot of stuff that is still being used today because of the soundness of the design.
The MG42 machine gun is the direct forebearer of the American M-60 machine gun. And the M-60 has been in service since the early 60's.
Quote from: PHall on June 15, 2014, 02:24:56 PM
The Germans came up with a lot of stuff that is still being used today because of the soundness of the design.
Both the F-86 Sabrejet and the MiG-15 had direct lineage to the swept-wing studies that Luftwaffe scientists did, which were operational on the Me-262.
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=509 (http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=509)
The 262 may have altered the course of the war if not for Hitler's insistence that it be used as a bomber.
And the German Bundesheer of today wear near-identical
Flecktarn camouflage to that worn by the Waffen-SS.
(http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608031330509653733&pid=1.7)
Bundesheer Flecktarn
(http://www.hessenantique.com/v/vspfiles/photos/2121401(old%20pattern)-2T.jpg)
SS Panzer Jacket
Looks like moldy cheese.
Yeah, that pattern would work great in either the Fulda Gap or the forests of Southern Germany.
Probably wouldn't work so well in Iraq or Afghanistan. >:D
Quote from: PHall on June 17, 2014, 12:39:00 AM
Probably wouldn't work so well in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Northern Iraq:
(http://www.howlingowl.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/MG_1132-copy.jpg)
East Kunar province, Afganistan:
(http://www.afghanistantimes.af/uploads/news_images/342954_1341079823.jpg)