Squadron Leadership School

Started by TheSkyHornet, September 04, 2015, 01:28:07 PM

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TheSkyHornet

Does anyone know what the process is to conduct the online version of Squadron Leadership School (SLS)?

I signed up via the electronic application on eServices about two weeks ago after discussing this with my CC. The classroom course if being offered at OHWG PD weekend in October, but I will be taking the Training Leaders of Cadets course, and you can only sign up for one course for the event. So, I opted to do the SLS online.

My application is out, and I understand that it has to go through Wing to be approved. How long might it usually take to be approved/denied, and if approved, how do you know that you are approved (is it via email?) and is it all conducted through eServices?

My CC was very much in favor of taking the online SLS rather than waiting until the next PD weekend in a year. However, she did not know the complete process for getting approved and starting the actual course once the application goes out, having never taken the online courses (only the classroom). She tried to get me to link up with our Safety Officer whom she said had taken the online course and could give me some information about it, but it turns out that he actually took the classroom course at an out-of-state PD weekend.

So, at this point, I'm left in the dark on what to expect from here on out. It basically went from some questions about SLS with my CC to "go ahead and sign up on eServices" to "well, I don't know what to tell you from this point; good luck."  :o

Insight would be appreciated.  :)

Capt Thompson

I received a denial from my Wing CC about 2 weeks after I signed up. Incidentally, MIWG has a training weekend in Flint prior to the OHWG weekend in Mansfield. I can't make the MIWG training so I'll be in Mansfield, but you could probably do SLS in MIWG and then TLC in OHWG. Flint is about 2 hours north of the Ohio border. Not ideal, but doable.
Capt Matt Thompson
Deputy Commander for Cadets, Historian, Public Affairs Officer

Mitchell - 31 OCT 98 (#44670) Earhart - 1 OCT 00 (#11401)

TheSkyHornet

Quote from: 1st Lt Thompson on September 04, 2015, 01:44:29 PM
I received a denial from my Wing CC about 2 weeks after I signed up. Incidentally, MIWG has a training weekend in Flint prior to the OHWG weekend in Mansfield. I can't make the MIWG training so I'll be in Mansfield, but you could probably do SLS in MIWG and then TLC in OHWG. Flint is about 2 hours north of the Ohio border. Not ideal, but doable.

It's about 4 hours from me. There's a chance I might be out of town for work that week prior, which adds to my inability to commit. I try to get as much as I can get done online since it's easier with my work schedule, CAP schedule, and other obligations I have. Life gets busy, eh.  :P

If I get denied, I guess it wouldn't be the end of the world. Usually, my CC communications Wing to let them know when someone from our squadron has an application out to keep things going, but I think she dropped the ball on this one when she came back with "Really, I don't know what to do from here." Haha. Oh well. The application is floating around somewhere in space right now.


Capt Thompson

MIWG has a policy about only allowing members to do SLS online in extreme circumstances, which is why mine was denied. If OHWG has the same policy, the Wing CC might not check for apps very often. Either way, good luck, and maybe I'll see you in Mansfield.

Capt Matt Thompson
Deputy Commander for Cadets, Historian, Public Affairs Officer

Mitchell - 31 OCT 98 (#44670) Earhart - 1 OCT 00 (#11401)

TheSkyHornet

Quote from: 1st Lt Thompson on September 04, 2015, 01:57:18 PM
MIWG has a policy about only allowing members to do SLS online in extreme circumstances, which is why mine was denied. If OHWG has the same policy, the Wing CC might not check for apps very often. Either way, good luck, and maybe I'll see you in Mansfield.

I think OHWG is a little more relaxed on that from what I've been told, but I really don't know. I guess if I knew the answer to that, I'd already understand how this all works :P

I didn't have to submit any information as to why I was requesting the online course. My reason is simply that I can't do both in the near future in-person, so I'm doing one in-person course, and one online course. Maybe if I was able to submit that reasoning it would push the review process along? Meh...

Anwyay, I'll keep an eye out for the name in October.  ;)

Alaric

Quote from: TheSkyHornet on September 04, 2015, 01:28:07 PM
Does anyone know what the process is to conduct the online version of Squadron Leadership School (SLS)?

I signed up via the electronic application on eServices about two weeks ago after discussing this with my CC. The classroom course if being offered at OHWG PD weekend in October, but I will be taking the Training Leaders of Cadets course, and you can only sign up for one course for the event. So, I opted to do the SLS online.

My application is out, and I understand that it has to go through Wing to be approved. How long might it usually take to be approved/denied, and if approved, how do you know that you are approved (is it via email?) and is it all conducted through eServices?

My CC was very much in favor of taking the online SLS rather than waiting until the next PD weekend in a year. However, she did not know the complete process for getting approved and starting the actual course once the application goes out, having never taken the online courses (only the classroom). She tried to get me to link up with our Safety Officer whom she said had taken the online course and could give me some information about it, but it turns out that he actually took the classroom course at an out-of-state PD weekend.

So, at this point, I'm left in the dark on what to expect from here on out. It basically went from some questions about SLS with my CC to "go ahead and sign up on eServices" to "well, I don't know what to tell you from this point; good luck."  :o

Insight would be appreciated.  :)

If you are denied you can always take SLS in another wing

Capt Thompson

I would have your CC send an email to the Wing CC with your reasoning and see if it can get pushed through. You're right I didn't have to submit a reason, just the short online form. My Wing CC emailed me the denial but said if I had a good reason to take it online to email him back. I really didn't have a reason, I just wanted to get it done during some vacation time I had so I didn't worry about it.

Capt Matt Thompson
Deputy Commander for Cadets, Historian, Public Affairs Officer

Mitchell - 31 OCT 98 (#44670) Earhart - 1 OCT 00 (#11401)

TheSkyHornet

Quote from: 1st Lt Thompson on September 04, 2015, 02:19:21 PM
I would have your CC send an email to the Wing CC with your reasoning and see if it can get pushed through. You're right I didn't have to submit a reason, just the short online form. My Wing CC emailed me the denial but said if I had a good reason to take it online to email him back. I really didn't have a reason, I just wanted to get it done during some vacation time I had so I didn't worry about it.

I think my CC already informed Wing. She usually does any time our squadron members (cadets and seniors) have a special application or form submitted.

She put in a request for an early promotion (Per CAPR 35-5, D, 4-3) a few weeks ago and I never heard back on that either. I know she personally emailed Wing because she copied me in on the email with a list of a bunch of courses I had taken and a written recommendation to back it up.

Storm Chaser

There are a few wings with policies of not letting members do SLS online or even at other wings without a valid reason preventing them from attending the ones offered by their own wings. In those cases, the best approach is to contact the wing commander through the chain of command and make the request before applying for the course. You'll probably have to provide a good reason for wanting to do it online or at another wing.

winterg

Florida is one of those Wings. I didn't see any CLC courses near me so I enrolled in the one online through National. Registration went smoothly until I got a notice from the course administrator that all FLWG members are required to take the blended course offered here. No big deal. Some jurisdictions have a particular way of doing things.

jdh

I applied to the National Online SLS and am currently enrolled in it, it is being put on by WY Wing and its 8 weeks long. There is a lot of time commitment involved in the online SLS. I have 2 weeks left before Im done with it.

TheSkyHornet

I'm generally pretty quick at getting the online stuff done. I usually just take some time to sit down one day and review the material and take the exams. I try to make a slot for myself as to when to work on what I need to work on and get done up to a certain point before I break off for a while.

Quote from: winterg on September 04, 2015, 04:47:33 PM
Florida is one of those Wings. I didn't see any CLC courses near me so I enrolled in the one online through National. Registration went smoothly until I got a notice from the course administrator that all FLWG members are required to take the blended course offered here. No big deal. Some jurisdictions have a particular way of doing things.

How long did it take before you got the no-go?

winterg

This was last year and as I recall it was fairly quick. Within the same week.

TheSkyHornet

Quote from: winterg on September 04, 2015, 05:32:03 PM
This was last year and as I recall it was fairly quick. Within the same week.

Hmmmm. Well, I hit the two-week mark a couple of days ago and didn't hear anything, so I finally emailed my CC and she basically said "I don't know what else to tell you," hence me posting here today on the subject.

So either 2 weeks is a good sign, or a bad sign....or they haven't even looked at it yet :P I guess all options are plausible

winterg

I'm still not a fan of the way we do SLS and CLC here in Florida. There is an online portion and then a one day capstone.

When I went to SLS in WIWG it was a two day event on a Saturday and Sunday. The majority of the class went to dinner and socialized after the first day and I formed very great friendships. I just don't get the same bonding feel from a one day event. But I guess it is offset by the sometimes overwhelming number of events constantly happening here in FLWG.

TheSkyHornet

Quote from: winterg on September 04, 2015, 05:41:08 PM
I'm still not a fan of the way we do SLS and CLC here in Florida. There is an online portion and then a one day capstone.

When I went to SLS in WIWG it was a two day event on a Saturday and Sunday. The majority of the class went to dinner and socialized after the first day and I formed very great friendships. I just don't get the same bonding feel from a one day event. But I guess it is offset by the sometimes overwhelming number of events constantly happening here in FLWG.

You generally won't. Usually a one-day thing ends with a "nice to have met you" *shake hands* *part ways*

But which is better, for me at the moment, is a side discussion. I just want to know what the next step is after sending an application out that responds with "Application sent," with no email to my mailbox about it any instructions other than "Wait here ---->"

The CAP website behind-the-scenes is somewhat a diamond in the rough

Paul Creed III

Has your squadron CC checked the eServices module for the application? eServices email notifications of stuff for me to approve is hit-and-miss so maybe it's sitting there or maybe there's some visibility as to where it is in the approval process?

https://www.capnhq.gov/CAP.AFIADLEnrollment.Web/Approvals.aspx

(Mind you, I have not actually used this module during my tenure as a squadron CC so I am guessing as to how it functions.)
Lt Col Paul Creed III, CAP
Group 3 Ohio Wing sUAS Program Manager

TheSkyHornet

Quote from: Paul Creed III on September 04, 2015, 08:43:58 PM
Has your squadron CC checked the eServices module for the application? eServices email notifications of stuff for me to approve is hit-and-miss so maybe it's sitting there or maybe there's some visibility as to where it is in the approval process?

https://www.capnhq.gov/CAP.AFIADLEnrollment.Web/Approvals.aspx

(Mind you, I have not actually used this module during my tenure as a squadron CC so I am guessing as to how it functions.)

I can't get that link to work.

What I do have is the link to SLS, which directs to the application page and says I've already enrolled in the course, and that I can't resubmit an application.

My CC said to apply, which I did, and then said she didn't know much more but would have me talk to the people who already did the online course, which turns out they did the classroom course, not the online. Baaaaaah

Paul Creed III

The link is likely accessible to only commanders.
Lt Col Paul Creed III, CAP
Group 3 Ohio Wing sUAS Program Manager

jdh

When I submitted my application I heard nothing back until I got the email saying I was accepted several weeks later.

kwe1009

Quote from: TheSkyHornet on September 04, 2015, 01:28:07 PM
Does anyone know what the process is to conduct the online version of Squadron Leadership School (SLS)?

I signed up via the electronic application on eServices about two weeks ago after discussing this with my CC. The classroom course if being offered at OHWG PD weekend in October, but I will be taking the Training Leaders of Cadets course, and you can only sign up for one course for the event. So, I opted to do the SLS online.

My application is out, and I understand that it has to go through Wing to be approved. How long might it usually take to be approved/denied, and if approved, how do you know that you are approved (is it via email?) and is it all conducted through eServices?

My CC was very much in favor of taking the online SLS rather than waiting until the next PD weekend in a year. However, she did not know the complete process for getting approved and starting the actual course once the application goes out, having never taken the online courses (only the classroom). She tried to get me to link up with our Safety Officer whom she said had taken the online course and could give me some information about it, but it turns out that he actually took the classroom course at an out-of-state PD weekend.

So, at this point, I'm left in the dark on what to expect from here on out. It basically went from some questions about SLS with my CC to "go ahead and sign up on eServices" to "well, I don't know what to tell you from this point; good luck."  :o

Insight would be appreciated.  :)

The approval process is just a mouse click so how ever long it takes  your Wing Commander to get to it.  It is not conducted through eServices.  I did it online last year.  It was pretty good but the program they use to run the course is a little clunky.

TheSkyHornet

Quote from: kwe1009 on September 04, 2015, 11:28:30 PM
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on September 04, 2015, 01:28:07 PM
Does anyone know what the process is to conduct the online version of Squadron Leadership School (SLS)?

I signed up via the electronic application on eServices about two weeks ago after discussing this with my CC. The classroom course if being offered at OHWG PD weekend in October, but I will be taking the Training Leaders of Cadets course, and you can only sign up for one course for the event. So, I opted to do the SLS online.

My application is out, and I understand that it has to go through Wing to be approved. How long might it usually take to be approved/denied, and if approved, how do you know that you are approved (is it via email?) and is it all conducted through eServices?

My CC was very much in favor of taking the online SLS rather than waiting until the next PD weekend in a year. However, she did not know the complete process for getting approved and starting the actual course once the application goes out, having never taken the online courses (only the classroom). She tried to get me to link up with our Safety Officer whom she said had taken the online course and could give me some information about it, but it turns out that he actually took the classroom course at an out-of-state PD weekend.

So, at this point, I'm left in the dark on what to expect from here on out. It basically went from some questions about SLS with my CC to "go ahead and sign up on eServices" to "well, I don't know what to tell you from this point; good luck."  :o

Insight would be appreciated.  :)

The approval process is just a mouse click so how ever long it takes  your Wing Commander to get to it.  It is not conducted through eServices.  I did it online last year.  It was pretty good but the program they use to run the course is a little clunky.

So, then where do they house the online course?

kwe1009

Quote from: TheSkyHornet on September 10, 2015, 01:54:00 PM
Quote from: kwe1009 on September 04, 2015, 11:28:30 PM
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on September 04, 2015, 01:28:07 PM
Does anyone know what the process is to conduct the online version of Squadron Leadership School (SLS)?

I signed up via the electronic application on eServices about two weeks ago after discussing this with my CC. The classroom course if being offered at OHWG PD weekend in October, but I will be taking the Training Leaders of Cadets course, and you can only sign up for one course for the event. So, I opted to do the SLS online.

My application is out, and I understand that it has to go through Wing to be approved. How long might it usually take to be approved/denied, and if approved, how do you know that you are approved (is it via email?) and is it all conducted through eServices?

My CC was very much in favor of taking the online SLS rather than waiting until the next PD weekend in a year. However, she did not know the complete process for getting approved and starting the actual course once the application goes out, having never taken the online courses (only the classroom). She tried to get me to link up with our Safety Officer whom she said had taken the online course and could give me some information about it, but it turns out that he actually took the classroom course at an out-of-state PD weekend.

So, at this point, I'm left in the dark on what to expect from here on out. It basically went from some questions about SLS with my CC to "go ahead and sign up on eServices" to "well, I don't know what to tell you from this point; good luck."  :o

Insight would be appreciated.  :)

The approval process is just a mouse click so how ever long it takes  your Wing Commander to get to it.  It is not conducted through eServices.  I did it online last year.  It was pretty good but the program they use to run the course is a little clunky.

So, then where do they house the online course?

http://www.capwyhq.org/moodle20/login/index.php

TheSkyHornet

Quote from: kwe1009 on September 10, 2015, 03:49:57 PM
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on September 10, 2015, 01:54:00 PM
Quote from: kwe1009 on September 04, 2015, 11:28:30 PM
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on September 04, 2015, 01:28:07 PM
Does anyone know what the process is to conduct the online version of Squadron Leadership School (SLS)?

I signed up via the electronic application on eServices about two weeks ago after discussing this with my CC. The classroom course if being offered at OHWG PD weekend in October, but I will be taking the Training Leaders of Cadets course, and you can only sign up for one course for the event. So, I opted to do the SLS online.

My application is out, and I understand that it has to go through Wing to be approved. How long might it usually take to be approved/denied, and if approved, how do you know that you are approved (is it via email?) and is it all conducted through eServices?

My CC was very much in favor of taking the online SLS rather than waiting until the next PD weekend in a year. However, she did not know the complete process for getting approved and starting the actual course once the application goes out, having never taken the online courses (only the classroom). She tried to get me to link up with our Safety Officer whom she said had taken the online course and could give me some information about it, but it turns out that he actually took the classroom course at an out-of-state PD weekend.

So, at this point, I'm left in the dark on what to expect from here on out. It basically went from some questions about SLS with my CC to "go ahead and sign up on eServices" to "well, I don't know what to tell you from this point; good luck."  :o

Insight would be appreciated.  :)

The approval process is just a mouse click so how ever long it takes  your Wing Commander to get to it.  It is not conducted through eServices.  I did it online last year.  It was pretty good but the program they use to run the course is a little clunky.

So, then where do they house the online course?

http://www.capwyhq.org/moodle20/login/index.php

Ah, so Wyoming has their own PD section. Good stuff.
We'll see what Ohio has in store.

kwe1009

I am not in the Wyoming wing, I don't know if the online SLS is done by other wings or if it is all run through Wyoming.  When I did this last year, they were the only option that I could find.

TheSkyHornet

Quote from: kwe1009 on September 11, 2015, 05:27:48 PM
I am not in the Wyoming wing, I don't know if the online SLS is done by other wings or if it is all run through Wyoming.  When I did this last year, they were the only option that I could find.

Gotcha.

Hmmmmmmmmmm. Well, thanks for the info. I guess whatever happens happens at this point. If I can take the course, awesome. If not, just moving on.

SarDragon

SLS and CLC are MUCH better when taken in a classroom environment. The personal interactions are a big part of the draw and effectiveness of those courses.
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kwe1009

Quote from: SarDragon on September 11, 2015, 08:21:01 PM
SLS and CLC are MUCH better when taken in a classroom environment. The personal interactions are a big part of the draw and effectiveness of those courses.

Agreed.  Unfortunately for me, my Wing only had an SLS when I was scheduled for Reserve duty.  I tried for 2 years to do it in person before I finally took it online.  My class finished just a couple o days after the promotion change last year so I had to use the grandfather clause to make Captain.

TheSkyHornet

Quote from: kwe1009 on September 11, 2015, 08:25:23 PM
Quote from: SarDragon on September 11, 2015, 08:21:01 PM
SLS and CLC are MUCH better when taken in a classroom environment. The personal interactions are a big part of the draw and effectiveness of those courses.

Agreed.  Unfortunately for me, my Wing only had an SLS when I was scheduled for Reserve duty.  I tried for 2 years to do it in person before I finally took it online.  My class finished just a couple o days after the promotion change last year so I had to use the grandfather clause to make Captain.

Plus, I keep hearing that SLS is a course that should really be taken early on in CAP if you can get it in. My CC wanted me to attend a different course, TLC. Personally, I would have preferred to have taken SLS before TLC, but, hey, I'll just run with what I've been tasked to do.


SarDragon

If you are working directly in CP, TLC first is probably better. YMMV.
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AT1, USN Retired
50 Year Member
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

jdh

Quote from: kwe1009 on September 11, 2015, 05:27:48 PM
I am not in the Wyoming wing, I don't know if the online SLS is done by other wings or if it is all run through Wyoming.  When I did this last year, they were the only option that I could find.

The online SLS course I'm taking right now online is through Wy wing as well.

TheSkyHornet

Quote from: jdh on September 12, 2015, 12:25:34 AM
Quote from: kwe1009 on September 11, 2015, 05:27:48 PM
I am not in the Wyoming wing, I don't know if the online SLS is done by other wings or if it is all run through Wyoming.  When I did this last year, they were the only option that I could find.

The online SLS course I'm taking right now online is through Wy wing as well.

How's the online course going for you?

JC004

Quote from: jdh on September 12, 2015, 12:25:34 AM
Quote from: kwe1009 on September 11, 2015, 05:27:48 PM
I am not in the Wyoming wing, I don't know if the online SLS is done by other wings or if it is all run through Wyoming.  When I did this last year, they were the only option that I could find.

The online SLS course I'm taking right now online is through Wy wing as well.

Is that their only course offered?

jdh

The online course was 8 weeks long (just finished it last night) and included a lot of busy work (for lack of better term). It was like taking a full 4 hour college course during a mini summer semester. If I could have taken it in person in a reasonable time I would have, but there were none on the calendar when I was ready for the course. They offer SLS and CLC and currently have two courses of each running.

TheSkyHornet

Quote from: jdh on September 14, 2015, 08:22:20 PM
The online course was 8 weeks long (just finished it last night) and included a lot of busy work (for lack of better term). It was like taking a full 4 hour college course during a mini summer semester. If I could have taken it in person in a reasonable time I would have, but there were none on the calendar when I was ready for the course. They offer SLS and CLC and currently have two courses of each running.

Busy work as in a bunch of stuff that wasn't essential to the outcome/objective of the course, in your opinion?

How do they cram 8 weeks worth of stuff into a weekend without completely diminishing the course content? I've taken the FEMA "3 hour" courses that usually only take me an hour to two hours to run through the entire course where I feel competent in what I've learned. The same goes for a lot of the eServices online stuff. I feel the timespan some of these online courses say to expect (i.e., 4 hours) is overkill from what it should actually take if you sit down and do it from start to finish. I can usually knock out a course in half that. I've taken a number of online college courses before that could have moved along much faster if it wasn't for waiting on an assignment at the end of the week, but I understand they try to schedule around most people's lives outside of the single class.

I'm more the type of planning a Saturday to myself to sit down and get through the material. Get it. Get out. Done. I don't prefer to spend an hour on this day and then an hour three days later and then another hour next week. That takes up more time for me than what I can make work, but that's just me.

The CAP website just makes some things so ambiguous that you really don't know what you're getting involved in.

kwe1009

Both the online SLS and CLC are 8 weeks long.  The syllabus is the same as the in person courses.  I probably spent a little more than an hour each week on average for both so it worked out to about the same amount of time spent as the in person course.  A big part of both courses is interaction and it is a lot harder to get that online versus a classroom sitting. 

You experience may vary but I didn't get much out of it.  After 25+ years in the Air Force and over 2 in CAP there wasn't much there for me.  I'm sure the in person class would have been much better.  If I ever get the opportunity I plan to take it in person just for grins and giggles.

JC004

I kind of wonder how you stretch SLS to an 8 week course.  When Officer Basic Course came out, I did that in a few hours.  Of course, they give you 90 days to do all of it.

jdh

Quote from: JC004 on September 14, 2015, 09:28:37 PM
I kind of wonder how you stretch SLS to an 8 week course.  When Officer Basic Course came out, I did that in a few hours.  Of course, they give you 90 days to do all of it.

Lots of discussion boards with required responses. 

TheSkyHornet

Quote from: JC004 on September 14, 2015, 09:28:37 PM
I kind of wonder how you stretch SLS to an 8 week course.  When Officer Basic Course came out, I did that in a few hours.  Of course, they give you 90 days to do all of it.

Same here. Only took a few hours. I think I got it knocked out in two days. Did it at work on my lunch breaks :P That's usually when I get a lot of my LMS stuff done.

Quote from: jdh on September 15, 2015, 11:14:10 AM
Quote from: JC004 on September 14, 2015, 09:28:37 PM
I kind of wonder how you stretch SLS to an 8 week course.  When Officer Basic Course came out, I did that in a few hours.  Of course, they give you 90 days to do all of it.

Lots of discussion boards with required responses.

So pretty much like college, waiting on everyone else to answer.

I assume they stay on topic much more than CAP Talk  ;D I'm surprised this topic has stayed on track this long, teehee

THRAWN

Quote from: jdh on September 15, 2015, 11:14:10 AM
Quote from: JC004 on September 14, 2015, 09:28:37 PM
I kind of wonder how you stretch SLS to an 8 week course.  When Officer Basic Course came out, I did that in a few hours.  Of course, they give you 90 days to do all of it.

Lots of discussion boards with required responses.

That's exactly how PME is conducted. I just finished up a 34 week course through the Naval War College. We had a couple discussions per week that we had to respond to. The discussions and interaction among the cohort is great. You're not learning in isolation and most of the other survivors have interacted off the Blackboard as well. Compare that to when I did ACSC, and it was in total isolation. Web based interactive learning is a good way to get the courses done. It's come a long way from the old ECI days...
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TheSkyHornet

Quote from: THRAWN on September 15, 2015, 02:25:10 PM
Quote from: jdh on September 15, 2015, 11:14:10 AM
Quote from: JC004 on September 14, 2015, 09:28:37 PM
I kind of wonder how you stretch SLS to an 8 week course.  When Officer Basic Course came out, I did that in a few hours.  Of course, they give you 90 days to do all of it.

Lots of discussion boards with required responses.

That's exactly how PME is conducted. I just finished up a 34 week course through the Naval War College. We had a couple discussions per week that we had to respond to. The discussions and interaction among the cohort is great. You're not learning in isolation and most of the other survivors have interacted off the Blackboard as well. Compare that to when I did ACSC, and it was in total isolation. Web based interactive learning is a good way to get the courses done. It's come a long way from the old ECI days...

Same with most of my online college courses. A lot of discussion boards. Even some of my classroom-based courses required us to get online every week or two and work through discussions. In fact, I had one class that was a classroom-based course on Day 1 and the professor decided it was a hassle driving to campus once a week and turned it into an online course. All of my online college courses were via Blackboard. We had an integrated Blackboard/AKO course with ROTC.

MacGruff

I took the in-person SLS earlier this year and TLC just a little while ago. The best parts about them are the discussions between the participants and the tips and techniques shared that way so I would vote for those to be taken early in your CAP careers.

A second major benefit of the in-person way is that you get to sit with comrades from other squadrons and get to spend some time to know them in person. Those connections will help me in my job A LOT!!!  (I know it's called networking... smirk).

Comparing those with OBC - which is a purely online task - I feel the time was better spent on SLS and TLC although I learned an equal amount of materials in OBC ... and it did NOT take my 12-16 hours. But that's OK.

Jaison009

I typically agree with this; however, I feel that through the discussions over the 8 weeks of the online CLC course I actually got more out of the course than I would have if attending in person. I also like that with the DBs there is nowhere for someone to hide or coast through the class.

Quote from: SarDragon on September 11, 2015, 08:21:01 PM
SLS and CLC are MUCH better when taken in a classroom environment. The personal interactions are a big part of the draw and effectiveness of those courses.

SarDragon

Quote from: Jaison009 on September 18, 2015, 10:38:46 PM
I typically agree with this; however, I feel that through the discussions over the 8 weeks of the online CLC course I actually got more out of the course than I would have if attending in person. I also like that with the DBs there is nowhere for someone to hide or coast through the class.

Quote from: SarDragon on September 11, 2015, 08:21:01 PM
SLS and CLC are MUCH better when taken in a classroom environment. The personal interactions are a big part of the draw and effectiveness of those courses.

What's a DB?

As for "hiding", no one hides in my class. Everyone participates. Otherwise, you don't successfully complete the course.
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Jaison009

DB is discussion board. You and I both know there are members who have taken SLS and CLC and not learned anything and skated in the exercises. I know not everyone is like that but for every good instructor there are several more okay and even more not so hot instructors. As a PDO, I appreciated my time in the class a little more. I see the same thing in my job where I am an advanced disaster instructor and many volunteers are starting to get more out of individualized online courses than classroom events full of war stories and people who cannot manage a course. Luckily, we have been fixing and strengthening our instructor cadre.

Quote from: SarDragon on September 18, 2015, 10:52:52 PM
Quote from: Jaison009 on September 18, 2015, 10:38:46 PM
I typically agree with this; however, I feel that through the discussions over the 8 weeks of the online CLC course I actually got more out of the course than I would have if attending in person. I also like that with the DBs there is nowhere for someone to hide or coast through the class.

Quote from: SarDragon on September 11, 2015, 08:21:01 PM
SLS and CLC are MUCH better when taken in a classroom environment. The personal interactions are a big part of the draw and effectiveness of those courses.

What's a DB?

As for "hiding", no one hides in my class. Everyone participates. Otherwise, you don't successfully complete the course.

TheSkyHornet

Just an update on this---

I will be attending TLC at the OHWG PD weekend on 24OCT/25OCT. Some of my soon-to-be classmates said they have already taken the online SLS, which was an 8-week course and OHWG is still very open with approving it, without question in most cases. They usually seem to take about 2 months at a minimum to approve it. Because it's an interactive course, they want to get enough sign-ups at one time to make it worth the while for the person taking it. If it's just two students and an instructor, there's no benefit in having a bunch of discussions because you lose the variety in viewpoints.

Fair enough; although, that's most an assumption by those that filled me in, as they said specifically not to quote them on that. But makes much more sense.

I just hate the unknown......

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I took my SLS almost a month ago, and I'm still waiting on eservices to update so I can complete my level 2...
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LSThiker

Quote from: SamuelRosinsky on October 23, 2015, 10:06:50 PM
I took my SLS almost a month ago, and I'm still waiting on eservices to update so I can complete my level 2...

There is no "waiting on eservices to update" for this.  Talk with your Course Director and ask.  The process is:

1)  Course Director creates CAPF 11
2)  You sign in on CAPF 11 for course credit
3)  Course Director signs CAPF 11
4)  Course director sends CAPF 11 to Wing Commander (or appropriate designee)
5)  Commander signs CAPF 11
6)  Either Course Director or Commander send to NHQ for processing
7)  NHQ processes the CAPF 11, which for me was only about 3 business days after the receiving it

The longest part of the equation is usually the commander's signature.

EMT-83

Quote from: LSThiker on October 23, 2015, 10:21:47 PM
Quote from: SamuelRosinsky on October 23, 2015, 10:06:50 PM
I took my SLS almost a month ago, and I'm still waiting on eservices to update so I can complete my level 2...

There is no "waiting on eservices to update" for this.  Talk with your Course Director and ask.  The process is:

1)  Course Director creates CAPF 11
2)  You sign in on CAPF 11 for course credit
3)  Course Director signs CAPF 11
4)  Course director sends CAPF 11 to Wing Commander (or appropriate designee)
5)  Commander signs CAPF 11
6)  Either Course Director or Commander send to NHQ for processing
7)  NHQ processes the CAPF 11, which for me was only about 3 business days after the receiving it

The longest part of the equation is usually the commander's signature.

50-17 says all documents must arrive at NHQ within 14 days of course completion. I've never had NHQ take more than 2 business days to process.

jdh

From the day I got the email that the Form 11 from my class was being submitted (i took the online course) it took almost 2 weeks for it to show up in my eServices.

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After doing some digging, it seems like NHQ didn't receive documents, and the wing still has it. I'm just worried that this course will be null and void due to that.
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1st Lt., CAP
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EMT-83

Quote from: SamuelRosinsky on October 24, 2015, 04:51:48 AM
After doing some digging, it seems like NHQ didn't receive documents, and the wing still has it. I'm just worried that this course will be null and void due to that.

They won't punish the course participants, but this could be a Finding on the next Compliance Inspection.

CAP_truth

If CAPF11 gets to the right person at NHQ it could be done within 24 hours.
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Quote from: CAP_truth on October 24, 2015, 03:59:13 PM
If CAPF11 gets to the right person at NHQ it could be done within 24 hours.

I've seldom had an issue with NHQ, and a quick phone call always resolves any issues I've ever had.
My wing... another story.
Former C/Maj., CAP
1st Lt., CAP
SrA, USAF