What hath McPeak Wrought?

[Major Carrales]

Right from E-Bay...what McPeak probably Wore...





Curious?

[lordmonar]

No can't be Tony's....he was a 4 star.

BTW....the fee for mentioning the former chief of staff's name will cost you an adult beverage!

[baronet68]

No can't be Tony's....he was a 4 star.

BTW....the fee for mentioning the former chief of staff's name will cost you an adult beverage!

But that is the braid of a 4-star.

[Major Carrales]

No can't be Tony's....he was a 4 star.

BTW....the fee for mentioning the former chief of staff's name will cost you an adult beverage!

Ooops...well then, here is to someday paying that fee!!! 

I did not know that the large braid had..."clouds and darts" on it? 

Pity these uniforms are virtually non-existant on the web...while it is a precarious chapter in "USAF UNIFORM HISTORY," I find such quirks to be interesting.

[shorning]

No can't be Tony's....he was a 4 star.

BTW....the fee for mentioning the former chief of staff's name will cost you an adult beverage!

But that is the braid of a 4-star.

Correct.  There are pictures out there of McTony and Fogelman sporting that braid.

[SarDragon]

No can't be Tony's....he was a 4 star.

BTW....the fee for mentioning the former chief of staff's name will cost you an adult beverage!

But that is the braid of a 4-star.

Correct.  There are pictures out there of McTony and Fogelman sporting that braid.

Did you know that McTony and Fogleman flew together in Viet Nam? They flew F-100Fs as Misty Fast-FACs (# 94 and #86 respectively). Dick Rutan (#40) was also in the same unit, but before Merrill and Ron.

[AlphaSigOU]

I did not know that the large braid had..."clouds and darts" on it? 

No, no, no, Maj. C... they're 'farts and darts!'

CAPFLT001's TPU service dress jacket sleeve braid is plain silver, double the size of the standard silver braid. Probably the same style silver braid CG Auxies wear and commercially available from Vanguard.

And a female version of the TPU service dress jacket is now available, but not online.

[ColonelJack]

Well, I don't know what McPeak hath wrought, but I do know this:

I just bid on it.

It will make a swell uniform for my Admiral of the Great Navy of Nebraska commission!

(Now don't go outbid me, folks.  I mean it.    )

Jack

[Monty]

No can't be Tony's....he was a 4 star.

BTW....the fee for mentioning the former chief of staff's name will cost you an adult beverage!

Brother, I'm surprised you'd make such a "whoopsie!"  Weren't we all traumatized enough by McPeak to have his image burned into our minds, "Navy rank" and all?

Let's "QAF" this one to death now...

[lordmonar]

No can't be Tony's....he was a 4 star.

BTW....the fee for mentioning the former chief of staff's name will cost you an adult beverage!

Brother, I'm surprised you'd make such a "whoopsie!"  Weren't we all traumatized enough by McPeak to have his image burned into our minds, "Navy rank" and all?

Let's "QAF" this one to death now...

Well it's been a long time....and I was/am a maintainer.  It's not like we wore the service dress all that much.

As for QAFing.....lets get the Process Action Team together, we'll go over the metrics and then see if there are any Quality Process Improvements we can make.  Remember....it's all about customer requirments and empowering the process owners.

[Major Carrales]

Well, I don't know what McPeak hath wrought, but I do know this:

I just bid on it.

It will make a swell uniform for my Admiral of the Great Navy of Nebraska commission!

(Now don't go outbid me, folks.  I mean it.    )

Jack

That would be (as my students say) sweet!!!  I hope you get it!!!

[ZigZag911]

It will make a swell uniform for my Admiral of the Great Navy of Nebraska commission!

To top it off, you need one of those cool hats like Admiral Horatio Nelson, RN, wore!

[NEBoom]

As for QAFing.....lets get the Process Action Team together, we'll go over the metrics and then see if there are any Quality Process Improvements we can make.  Remember....it's all about customer requirments and empowering the process owners.

Whatever you do, don't forget to hold the hot wash when it's all over....

[LtCol White]

It will make a swell uniform for my Admiral of the Great Navy of Nebraska commission!

To top it off, you need one of those cool hats like Admiral Horatio Nelson, RN, wore!

Or a blue propeller beanie with farts and darts 

[ColonelJack]

Well, it looks as if I'll have to come up with another idea for the Admiral's uniform.

Someone decided to bid more than I can afford on the jacket.

Poop.

Jack

[flyerthom]

It will make a swell uniform for my Admiral of the Great Navy of Nebraska commission!

To top it off, you need one of those cool hats like Admiral Horatio Nelson, RN, wore!

Nelson was a nurse?


DOH!

Royal Navy,  darn bifocals.

[JarakMaldon]

Where is (or was) this listing on eBay?

[alexalvarez]

What happened to the big red floppy shoes that goes with this uniform?

[NAYBOR]

I personally think we could've gone with this design for a "corporate" service coat.  You can't deny McPeak's design looks like a corporate pilot's coat!  With having single-breasted buttons, and maybe putting a 4th one on to differentiate it from the AF service jacket of 3 it would've been clearly distinct as a CAP coat than an AF officer's.  Rank would be on the sleeves, etc. etc.

But we have the TPU.  The TPU coat is basically an AF-blue (1625) Navy officer's coat.  The Navy officer's coat is the EXACT SAME CUT, save the epaulettes flaps on the shoulders and the color.  They could've put silver rank stripes on the sleeves of the TPU coat the same as the McPeak coat, and it would've been undoubtedly distinguishable from an AF officer coat (obviously), and the also USCG Aux coat because there would've been no sleeve device above the rank stripes like the CG Aux has.  The USCG service coat is an entirely different cut than the TPU, too.  I'd personally remove the epaulettes from the TPU; use silver rank stripes on the sleeves; take the CAP cutouts off of the lapels (I liked when it had US cutouts for a short time, but lost interest in getting the coat when that was changed); either change the nametag back to a single line (last name) silver nametag, or have a 2-line silver name tag with last name on the first line, then "U.S. Civil Air Patrol" on the second line; keep the service cap as is; change the TPU rank epaulettes to an AF blue color with silver stripes (like AFROTC has, but AFROTC's are black epaulettes, not blue); wear the devices and ribbons as is presently customary on the TPU coat, and then call it good.  The CAP DOES have an "naval aviation" history--we sunk submarines in WWII, remember?  It could be considered OUR "heritage coat".

OK, I'll come back to reaility now.  But, honestly, that's what I'd do with the TPU monstrocity to "fix" it.  Some may flame the hell outta me for saying all this, but, hey, it'd be distinctive, it'd be our own--it would embody a service coat, that, in my mind, represents being both an auxilliary of the AF while also being a civilian corporate entity.  It would honor the CAP fliers from back in the day who, without argument, flew naval aviation missions causing at least 2 subs to be sunk AT OUR OWN HANDS (and possibly more) and sending the German subs fleeing from our waters.  It wasn't the Navy who did that--it was the CAP!

Besides, if the above changes were made, and we WERE mistaken for a "real" military (albeit civilian) auxilliary (USCG Aux), would that be so bad?  At least this nation's uniformed auxilliary forces would look similar.

OK, go ahead and call me crazy now...  Either way, discuss.

[flapsUP]

Forget all this USAF and TPU uniform nonsense.  Let's return to our heritage and go to the "Pink and Greens" of the old army air corps.  This was the sharpest uniform ever.