Hello all,
So I am a C/SrA, and my wing conference is in 8 days. I am eligible to rank up in 12 days. Is there any way for me to become a C/SSgt before wing conference? I know how the 56 day rule works, but missing being an NCO at wing conference because of four days seems a little harsh.
Best,
C/SrA TM
So following rules is "a little harsh"?
Cadet:
Short answer is "no".
For what it's worth, I'm probably going to miss this year's Wing Conference being a Captain by a month (Conference is in May, I make my time-in-grade requirement in June) so I feel your pain. Learning to understand that sometimes the timing just doesn't work out to your advantage, and learning to adapt to that, is part of adulthood, I'm afraid.
Rank up? Really? Where did that come from? Is that anything like throw up? ;)
I believe the appropriate term is promote. It sounds so much more elegant.
Part of being the next higher grade is time in the current one.
This is not a race to the top.
Promotions are not guaranteed.
Quote from: SarDragon on March 07, 2014, 05:40:09 AMRank up? Really? Where did that come from?
Comes from playing too many video games. ;)
Why the urgency? It's not as if cadet NCOs get a suite upgrade or a bigger helping of rubber chicken at the Wing Conference banquet.
My Mitchell Award was approved one day after NCSA applications were due + finalized, so I got slotted with Wright Bros being my highest award, and missed the opportunity to apply for COS that year. Did it matter? No, and I still attended the NCSAs that I wanted to.
Congrats on the promotion, Sergeant, but this too shall pass.
56 days is the bare minimum. Most cadet average at least 3-4 months per achievement over the long run. That said, the rule as hard and set in stone. The system will not even allow it to be processed that way.
Other than showing off your new grade insignia and ribbon, it makes no difference to attend the Wing Conference as a C/SrA or C/SSgt. I could understand if you were talking about an activity with minimum grade requirements, which this is not.
Be patience and wait your time. And more importantly, make sure you're ready to assume the additional responsibilities that come with being a C/NCO.
Quote from: JerseyCadet on March 07, 2014, 05:49:53 AM
My Mitchell Award was approved one day after NCSA applications were due + finalized, so I got slotted with Wright Bros being my highest award, and missed the opportunity to apply for COS that year. Did it matter? No, and I still attended the NCSAs that I wanted to.
Congrats on the promotion, Sergeant, but this too shall pass.
#1 best answer. 8)
Security Cadet?
I'll be getting C/Capt 3 days after my wing's conference. But, there's no shame in being a First Lieutenant, and there's no shame in being a Senior Airman, as long as you be the best [darn] cadet you can be.
Nope. It can't and shouldn't be done. Just go with the program as it exists including the proper time between promotions. Anyone that would "pin it" on you before updating eServices would be doing you a disservice. I've actually seen something like this at an encampment when a cadet got in a little hot when he showed up with a higher grade than reflected on his records. He had earned the promotion, but lacked the time in grade. His Deputy Commander for Cadets said it would be okay to wear the next grade up. Bad idea.
Many of us have had similar experiences. I understand your motivation to promote quickly. Be patient, it'll come. I say look forward to next year's conference when you can show up as a cadet officer (if you can promote at every opportunity).
Cadet Toth hasn't been back since posting this, so it appears he wasn't too concerned about it.
I suggest the thread be locked.
Quote from: Panache on March 13, 2014, 04:49:42 AMI suggest the thread be locked.
Why? It's a valid subject that could spur additional discussion. With that mentality, pretty much every thread should be locked. Move along.
Quote from: a2capt on March 13, 2014, 04:35:38 PM
Quote from: Panache on March 13, 2014, 04:49:42 AMI suggest the thread be locked.
Why? It's a valid subject that could spur additional discussion.
Um. Riiiight. I'm not sure what else can be said that has been said ("No, there is no waiver, just wait,") but if this thread revs your engine, hey, have at it.
I agree, keep this topic open a bit longer, especially considering his wing's conference hasn't even happened yet. Hopefully the Toth will chime in again once the conference occurs. So, Toth, how about? After tomorrow, let us know how the conference was, and if not being a C/SSgt made any significant difference in your experience.
So in the end I did go as a C/SrA and it didn't make much of a difference, I am now a C/SSgt and the Cadet Commander's Adjutant of my squadron. Thanks for all your help and sarcastic remarks ::) Cheers!
Quote from: Toth on April 12, 2014, 04:51:54 AM
So in the end I did go as a C/SrA and it didn't make much of a difference, I am now a C/SSgt and the Cadet Commander's Adjutant of my squadron. Thanks for all your help and sarcastic remarks ::) Cheers!
A what now?
Sound adjutant's call!
Quote from: ol'fido on April 12, 2014, 01:42:27 PM
Sound adjutant's call!
I wonder if he has mastered the adjutant's walk, yet? Does the USAF even do that? (Yes, I am too lazy too look it up.)
Quote from: Toth on April 12, 2014, 04:51:54 AM
Cadet Commander's Adjutant of my squadron
This position is more appropriately called Administration. Long story short, the Adjutant was an assistant to a senior level officer. Traditionally, it was a Captain assistant to a Colonel. However, after numerous transformations, the position was rolled into the Adjutant Corps in the Army and Administration in the Air Force. They serve as the Unit Administration.
LST-
::)
I think those asking about the position of Cadet Commander's Adjutant are asking in a sarcastic manner or wondering about this position, since it is not a part of a squadron duty position, nor it is a position normally staffed by a cadet. At least not as stated. I think by the experience posted of some of these asking, they are aware about the Adjutant's duties...
???
Flyer
Quote from: flyer333555 on April 12, 2014, 03:37:28 PM
LST-
::)
I think those asking about the position of Cadet Commander's Adjutant are asking in a sarcastic manner or wondering about this position, since it is not a part of a squadron duty position, nor it is a position normally staffed by a cadet. At least not as stated. I think by the experience posted of some of these asking, they are aware about the Adjutant's duties...
???
Flyer
Hence why I did not quote them. I quoted the cadet because I was talking to the cadet.
Sorry-
I did not realize you were addressing the cadet. In re-reading it I found my mistake... Did not think that in the first since the cadet did not ask what was involved in the position.
Flyer
Quote from: FlyTiger77 on April 12, 2014, 02:15:18 PM
Quote from: ol'fido on April 12, 2014, 01:42:27 PM
Sound adjutant's call!
I wonder if he has mastered the adjutant's walk, yet? Does the USAF even do that? (Yes, I am too lazy too look it up.)
Yes Adjutant's Cadence is in the manual.
I fully believe that the "Adjutant's Cadence" is where they got the idea for this:
Monty Python's Ministry of Silly Walks (Full Sketch) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV2ViNJFZC8#)
"With government backing I can make it really silly!"
Quote from: ol'fido on April 12, 2014, 09:13:55 PM
I fully believe that the "Adjutant's Cadence" is where they got the idea for this:
Monty Python's Ministry of Silly Walks (Full Sketch) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV2ViNJFZC8#)
Most times, when "adjutant's cadence" looks silly it's because the adjutant is trying too hard to go too fast. Too many of them seem to think of it as "double-time without raising the knees" or "walking at double-time," trying to do it at 160-180 steps per minute. It's only about 140, just slightly faster than marching as opposed to almost as fast as running.
Quote from: Mitchell 1969 on April 13, 2014, 06:59:52 AM
Quote from: ol'fido on April 12, 2014, 09:13:55 PM
I fully believe that the "Adjutant's Cadence" is where they got the idea for this:
Monty Python's Ministry of Silly Walks (Full Sketch) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV2ViNJFZC8#)
Most times, when "adjutant's cadence" looks silly it's because the adjutant is trying too hard to go too fast. Too many of them seem to think of it as "double-time without raising the knees" or "walking at double-time," trying to do it at 160-180 steps per minute. It's only about 140, just slightly faster than marching as opposed to almost as fast as running.
They also look silly because they taking larger then normal steps so they can cover more ground as fast as they can.
So, any tips for someone serving as the adjutant for this summer's pass in review at the encampment graduation? Adjutants walk sure is interesting...
Determine ahead of time what they expect, and then practice.