26 year old Airline Captain and 19 year old FO

Started by LSThiker, September 27, 2016, 04:11:14 AM

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THRAWN

I'm not sure if I should be impressed or worried. The age and experience of flight crews has been a topic of discussion over the past decade or so. Does this pilot have enough experience to fly a regional route? Probably, in conditions with little potential for an in-flight emergency. Does the FO have the experience? Do they have enough combined experience to be operating a passenger aircraft? Mebbe. But it wouldn't be the first time that a carrier handed the keys to someone who then slammed into a maintenance hangar. There is too much flash attached to the "first" or "youngest" or "oldest" or "insert special group here" instead of relying on the safest....
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Майор Хаткевич

Quote from: THRAWN on September 27, 2016, 02:30:36 PM
I'm not sure if I should be impressed or worried. The age and experience of flight crews has been a topic of discussion over the past decade or so. Does this pilot have enough experience to fly a regional route? Probably, in conditions with little potential for an in-flight emergency. Does the FO have the experience? Do they have enough combined experience to be operating a passenger aircraft? Mebbe. But it wouldn't be the first time that a carrier handed the keys to someone who then slammed into a maintenance hangar. There is too much flash attached to the "first" or "youngest" or "oldest" or "insert special group here" instead of relying on the safest....


As someone as old as the Captain...these were my thoughts as well!

Eclipse

http://www.linkedin.com/pulse/youngest-commercial-airline-captain-jonathan-keith-o-derek



So what happened to Jonathan Strickland?

He's all over the tubes last year as the "youngest airline Captain" at 25, the video below says
as of August this year he's "flying 767s internationally", (of course in Europe "international" flights
can make CAP sorties look long), but his Linked-in indicates "First Officer", and GoJet is a regional out
of Missouri that only has about 5 destinations.  Perhaps since he wasn't working for a "major"
he doesn't count?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m5SsW6u3oE

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SarDragon

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Here's a bit of info from a link in the Emergency Landing thread:

QuoteThe captain of the flight was Carlos Dardano. At just 29 years of age, Dardano had already amassed 13,410 flight hours. Almost 11,000 of these hours were as pilot in command.

Having that many hours is one thing. How you are using, or not using the experience is another. Back in '07, a couple of pilots, with a combined 53,000 ours in the air, managed a nighttime CFIT.

ETA: Failing to mention the specific event was intentional. Let's keep it that way.
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Eclipse

Just to add to the conversation: 

annual salaries

EasyJet
     Captain ~$130k (US)
     Flight Officer ~$60K (US)

Gojet
     Captain ~$60k
     Flight Officer ~$40K

At least in the US, many carriers only pay for flight hours, so while GoJet may
"guarantee" 75 hours a month, there's a lot of unpaid in those numbers as well.

A single guy or gal may be able to couch ride a few years for $40k, but not with a family,
and it's made even harder with 4+ years of college loans, not to mention probably additional
flight training and rentals on your back.

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grunt82abn

I seen a documentary that showed a lot of UK pilots go and fly Indonesia to build up hours, just to get a job back in the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT5gUKJidi0
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PHall

I don't see a "problem" with a 26 year old Captain. There are lot's of 26 year old Aircraft Commanders in Air Mobility Command.
And they command everything from C-130's to C-5's.

goblin

Quote from: PHall on September 28, 2016, 02:04:00 AM
I don't see a "problem" with a 26 year old Captain. There are lot's of 26 year old Aircraft Commanders in Air Mobility Command.
And they command everything from C-130's to C-5's.

Beat me too it. I was flying crews and pax around the world at 26 as the A-Code.

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Quote from: PHall on September 28, 2016, 02:04:00 AM
I don't see a "problem" with a 26 year old Captain. There are lot's of 26 year old Aircraft Commanders in Air Mobility Command.
And they command everything from C-130's to C-5's.


Do they move tens of thousands of people around per year?

SarDragon

Certainly thousands, and much more cargo.

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Майор Хаткевич

Quote from: SarDragon on September 28, 2016, 04:03:30 PM
Certainly thousands, and much more cargo.

Sent from my phone.


Cargo isn't really an issue. Much like our ORM, it's about the risk factors. If a Cargo plane goes down, the loss of life is drastically less than if a passanger jet goes down.

SarDragon

A heavy is a heavy. Any pilot who isn't covering his own ass, regardless of what he is carrying, probably shouldn't be in the cockpit.

Flying cargo has its own hazards - composition, tie-down security, etc, things he has little control of.

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Luis R. Ramos

Another thing with cargo. If a cargo plane hits the ground in an uncontrolled manner, it may kill people like a passenger plane crashing.

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754837

Quote from: grunt82abn on September 28, 2016, 01:12:55 AM
I seen a documentary that showed a lot of UK pilots go and fly Indonesia to build up hours, just to get a job back in the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT5gUKJidi0

Outstanding video - thanks for sharing!  I had not heard of the show & thoroughly enjoyed it.

grunt82abn

Quote from: 754837 on September 28, 2016, 05:47:32 PM
Quote from: grunt82abn on September 28, 2016, 01:12:55 AM
I seen a documentary that showed a lot of UK pilots go and fly Indonesia to build up hours, just to get a job back in the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT5gUKJidi0

Outstanding video - thanks for sharing!  I had not heard of the show & thoroughly enjoyed it.
Glad you enjoyed it! I heard about it last semester at the school I was flying at. Several of the graduates actually applied there to build up hours.


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Flying Pig

We have fighter pilots that age if not younger and honestly... who cares?  Why are people still writing articles about female pilots like its somehow an anomaly ?

Flying Pig

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Quote from: Майор Хаткевич on September 28, 2016, 03:28:38 PM
Quote from: PHall on September 28, 2016, 02:04:00 AM
I don't see a "problem" with a 26 year old Captain. There are lot's of 26 year old Aircraft Commanders in Air Mobility Command.
And they command everything from C-130's to C-5's.


Do they move tens of thousands of people around per year?

Completely irrelevant

Майор Хаткевич

Quote from: Flying Pig on September 28, 2016, 08:10:43 PM
Quote from: Майор Хаткевич on September 28, 2016, 03:28:38 PM
Quote from: PHall on September 28, 2016, 02:04:00 AM
I don't see a "problem" with a 26 year old Captain. There are lot's of 26 year old Aircraft Commanders in Air Mobility Command.
And they command everything from C-130's to C-5's.


Do they move tens of thousands of people around per year?

Completely irrelevant

Disagree.

Luis R. Ramos

Grunt-

Thanks for the Indonesia video. Entertaining and eye opener...
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