Change in terms?

[A.Member]

^ Agree, we tend to get wrapped around the axle on relatively trivial items.

That said, I'll play...

My $.02:

All active adult members can/should be termed Airmen (Civil Air Patrol Airmen).  This effectively addresses those adult members without grade and provides a catch all term for all adult members.  This also aligns with recent comments/direction from NHQ leadership.  Edit Note:  All patrons remain patrons, etc.
Adult members choosing to retain their NCO ranks are...wait for it....NCO's
Adult members that have earned an officer rank are...can also be Officers

Cadet members are Cadets (Civil Air Patrol Cadet)...and this term (Cadet) continues to preface each of their ranks.

To me, that's simple and straight forward.

[Storm Chaser]

I think using the term Airman would be more confusing and it would imply members in the other CAP membership categories are not Airmen.

Why not keep things simple and call senior members "active members"? And if that's not clear enough, then "regular members"?

[A.Member]

You're either an Airmen or a Cadet.   How is that confusing?

[Майор Хаткевич]

You're either an Airmen or a Cadet.   How is that confusing?

Or...Adult vs Cadet.

[THRAWN]

You're either an Airmen or a Cadet.   How is that confusing?

Or...Adult vs Cadet.

That'll never work. Adult member? Cadet member? It's so....descriptive....

[lordmonar]

You're either an Airmen or a Cadet.   How is that confusing?

Cadets are Big A airman too.

[A.Member]

You're either an Airmen or a Cadet.   How is that confusing?

Cadets are Big A airman too.

Yep, but Cadet prefaces that term.

[Holding Pattern]

That works if all of the adult members are officers. Since they're not, this looks like the left and right hands operating independently.

Hopefully this means my internalized request for SMWOG to be converted to "Temporary Third Lieutenant" is in the works!"

I guarantee you this will increase membership!

Would you like to know more?

[lordmonar]

That works if all of the adult members are officers. Since they're not, this looks like the left and right hands operating independently.

Hopefully this means my internalized request for SMWOG to be converted to "Temporary Third Lieutenant" is in the works!"

I guarantee you this will increase membership!

Would you like to know more?

You are disturbing the ghost of RAH.

[THRAWN]

That works if all of the adult members are officers. Since they're not, this looks like the left and right hands operating independently.

Hopefully this means my internalized request for SMWOG to be converted to "Temporary Third Lieutenant" is in the works!"

I guarantee you this will increase membership!

Would you like to know more?

You are disturbing the ghost of RAH.

Terrible concept, but I grok.

[Holding Pattern]

That being said, this now makes certain conversations more annoying. We have NCOs and... officers without a commission? I'm ASSUMING there isn't a change in our "officer" status being anything beyond recognition of PD.

[Майор Хаткевич]

That being said, this now makes certain conversations more annoying. We have NCOs and... officers without a commission? I'm ASSUMING there isn't a change in our "officer" status being anything beyond recognition of PD.

Non non commissioned officer and no commissioned officers. Duh. 

[Storm Chaser]

You're either an Airmen or a Cadet.   How is that confusing?

Cadets are Big A airman too.

Yep, but Cadet prefaces that term.

Only when it relates to the grade. Otherwise, cadets are as much Airmen as senior members.

[Spaceman3750]

You're either an Airmen or a Cadet.   How is that confusing?

Cadets are Big A airman too.

Yep, but Cadet prefaces that term.

Only when it relates to the grade. Otherwise, cadets are as much Airmen as senior members.

Except, the term only applies during the execution of Air-Force assigned missions.

https://www.capnhq.gov/news/Documents/CAP%20and%20the%20Total%20Force%20FAQs.pdf

[Storm Chaser]

That being said, this now makes certain conversations more annoying. We have NCOs and... officers without a commission? I'm ASSUMING there isn't a change in our "officer" status being anything beyond recognition of PD.

Officer promotions are not supposed to be a recognition for Professional Development progression. CAPR 35-1 is clear that duty performance promotions are based on performance. PD progression is just an additional, albeit important, requirement.

[A.Member]

You're either an Airmen or a Cadet.   How is that confusing?

Cadets are Big A airman too.

Yep, but Cadet prefaces that term.

Only when it relates to the grade. Otherwise, cadets are as much Airmen as senior members.

Except, the term only applies during the execution of Air-Force assigned missions.

https://www.capnhq.gov/news/Documents/CAP%20and%20the%20Total%20Force%20FAQs.pdf

But it doesn't have to; that's self-imposed.  Same answer to Storm Chaser.

[Spaceman3750]

You're either an Airmen or a Cadet.   How is that confusing?

Cadets are Big A airman too.

Yep, but Cadet prefaces that term.

Only when it relates to the grade. Otherwise, cadets are as much Airmen as senior members.

Except, the term only applies during the execution of Air-Force assigned missions.

https://www.capnhq.gov/news/Documents/CAP%20and%20the%20Total%20Force%20FAQs.pdf

But it doesn't have to; that's self-imposed.  Same answer to Storm Chaser.

How is it self-imposed? The AF wrote it that way when they updated their doctrine.

In addition, Civil Air Patrol members, when executing Air Force-assigned missions, are civilian volunteers (with a small paid staff) of the official Air Force Auxiliary.

I'm not saying that I don't like the idea, I do, it's just not the way things appear to be designed today.

[A.Member]

But it doesn't have to; that's self-imposed.  Same answer to Storm Chaser.

How is it self-imposed? The AF wrote it that way when they updated their doctrine.

We could call ourselves Propeller Heads if we wanted.  The fact that USAF recognizes us as Airmen in their doctrine is great but how we refer to ourselves is really up to us. 

[CAP_truth]

We have active duty servicemen or women, reservists, National Guardsmen or women. How about Auxiliarist. 

[SarDragon]

Regarding the whole SMWOG thing, let's review this post from 2012. It is still relevant.