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[Tim Day]

One thing I'm curious about is if NOAA Commissioned Corps aviation wings are allowed.  They are a uniformed service (like the USPHS), wear uniforms almost identical to the Navy and the aviation wings are very similar, though not identical.

Interesting question. The CAPM 39-1 (and the new draft) states "military aviation badges", but the AFI 36-2903 states "Aeronautical badges of other US services." NOAA isn't military; I'm not sure whether "US Services" implies military or includes other government agencies.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

Whats this "Dark Blue Windbreaker"?  They have no photo and Vanguard does not carry such a product.  It sounds the same as the ultramarine windbreaker just in a darker color.

I'm betting that's what it is, or going to be, but it hasn't been manufactured yet...maybe when VG runs out of stock of the ultramarine jacket?

Maybe it will roughly look something like this Belgian Air Force jacket, if not in cut, then in shade of blue.

[Papabird]

Hmm, I just realized this:

4.1.5.4.4.1 ... "The second badge will be centered ½ inch above the first badge." in relation to this, "If a military aviation badge (aeronautical, space or cyberspace) is worn, it will be worn in the second position." (emphasis mine)

Uh, am I reading this to say that military aviation goes in the second position, which is ABOVE the CAP wings?  If so, then what about this:

"Chaplain and CAP aviation badges are mandatory and will always be worn in the highest position."

I think the top "second" should be changed to first, but

That's not what they mean. One is referring to the number of badges (i.e. second badge) and the other to the position or placement (i.e. second position). Perhaps a better way to express it would be "bottom" or "lower" position. That said, the intend is still clear; only two badges above the ribbons can be worn, CAP chaplain/CAP aviation goes on top, and two non-aviation badges may also be worn.

Agreed it is not what they mean.  They need to change to either of the suggestions above.  Submitted. 

[Storm Chaser]

One thing I'm curious about is if NOAA Commissioned Corps aviation wings are allowed.  They are a uniformed service (like the USPHS), wear uniforms almost identical to the Navy and the aviation wings are very similar, though not identical.

Interesting question. The CAPM 39-1 (and the new draft) states "military aviation badges", but the AFI 36-2903 states "Aeronautical badges of other US services." NOAA isn't military; I'm not sure whether "US Services" implies military or includes other government agencies.

NOAA Officer Corps are part of the seven U.S. Uniformed Services, but not part of the five U.S. Armed Forces. They are commissioned officers, but they're not part of the military. My interpretation is that anywhere CAPM 39-1 references "military services" it is referring to the five Armed Services: Army, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps and Coast Guard. These services are always subject to the UCMJ. In contrast, the NOAA and PHS Commissioned Corps, which are noncombatant, are only subject to the UCMJ when "militarized" by the president.

While the current draft uses the term "other service" when referring to aeronautical badges, I believe the intent is "military" service. This, however, should be clarified to avoid confusion as it is not specifically stated as such.

[Tim Day]

While the current draft uses the term "other service" when referring to aeronautical badges, I believe the intent is "military" service. This, however, should be clarified to avoid confusion as it is not specifically stated as such.

Other way around. The AFI 36-2903 uses the term other services; the draft CAPM 39-1 uses the term "military".

[Storm Chaser]

While the current draft uses the term "other service" when referring to aeronautical badges, I believe the intent is "military" service. This, however, should be clarified to avoid confusion as it is not specifically stated as such.

Other way around. The AFI 36-2903 uses the term other services; the draft CAPM 39-1 uses the term "military".

Actually...

4.1.5.4.4.1 Aviation (CAP, USAF or other service Aeronautical, Space, Cyberspace)... (emphasis mine)

[Tim Day]

While the current draft uses the term "other service" when referring to aeronautical badges, I believe the intent is "military" service. This, however, should be clarified to avoid confusion as it is not specifically stated as such.

Other way around. The AFI 36-2903 uses the term other services; the draft CAPM 39-1 uses the term "military".

Actually...

4.1.5.4.4.1 Aviation (CAP, USAF or other service Aeronautical, Space, Cyberspace)... (emphasis mine)

You have to look in the appropriate section, Section 10 - Badges and Specialty Insignia.

10.3.2 Military aviation badges (to include USAF air, space and cyberspace badges) may be worn when appropriate orders granted by competent military authority are present in the member's CAP personnel record.

[VNY]

Whats this "Dark Blue Windbreaker"?  They have no photo and Vanguard does not carry such a product.  It sounds the same as the ultramarine windbreaker just in a darker color.

I'm betting that's what it is, or going to be, but it hasn't been manufactured yet...maybe when VG runs out of stock of the ultramarine jacket?

One difference is they say the Ultramarine jacket currently in use is OK to wear over civilian clothing - whereas the new "Dark Blue" jacket will not be.   Possibly so that we will be able to keep using the current style jacket as "Leisure Wear" once the new item is available.

[Devil Doc]

So?.... does this mean the FMF Pin is now authorized? we are the "Military" we have the best SF hands down

[NIN]

Is the FMF pin authorized for wear on an Air Force uniform in the AFMAN? That's really sort of the guiding principle for "can I or can't I" with other services badges.

That's not 100 percent because national headquarters has authorized a few things that don't seem to be meeting that standard

[Devil Doc]

I have emailed wing Several Times, to try to get Approval, No Answer...

[Eclipse]

I have emailed wing Several Times, to try to get Approval, No Answer...

Wing doesn't have that authority. 

39-1 directs members to contact NHQ.

[Tim Day]

The AFI 36-2903 doesn't allow any other (non-USAF) military badges to be worn on the Air Force uniform except for aeronautical badges awarded by other services.

[NIN]

The AFI 36-2903 doesn't allow any other (non-USAF) military badges to be worn on the Air Force uniform except for aeronautical badges awarded by other services.

There ya go!

[arajca]

I have emailed wing Several Times, to try to get Approval, No Answer...

Having dealt with a similar issue (surface warfare and submariner badges) the answer from NHQ was if they are aviation/aeronautical badges ok, if not, not ok.

[AlphaSigOU]

I have emailed wing Several Times, to try to get Approval, No Answer...

Having dealt with a similar issue (surface warfare and submariner badges) the answer from NHQ was if they are aviation/aeronautical badges ok, if not, not ok.

And you'll still have people wearing various and sundry badges of the other military services on the CAP USAF-style uniform... Jump wings (Army style, not Navy-style) are considered by the USAF as an aeronautical rating,

[lordmonar]

The AFI 36-2903 doesn't allow any other (non-USAF) military badges to be worn on the Air Force uniform except for aeronautical badges awarded by other services.

There are some execptions.....but they don't apply to anyone in CAP......No JTACs or SF Rangers here .

[Tim Day]

And you'll still have people wearing various and sundry badges of the other military services on the CAP USAF-style uniform... Jump wings (Army style, not Navy-style) are considered by the USAF as an aeronautical rating,

Not according to AFI 36-2903

10.2. Chaplain, Aeronautical, Space and Cyberspace Badges. Aeronautical, space and
cyberspace badges are worn above occupational and miscellaneous badges, but not above the
chaplain badge (if authorized, chaplain badge is worn in the highest position). When more than
one aeronautical, space or cyberspace badge is worn, the second badge becomes optional. Note:
The parachutist badge is not considered an aeronautical badge however it does take precedence
over other occupational badges. (emphasis mine)

[AlphaSigOU]

I stand corrected.

[Tim Day]

There are some execptions.....but they don't apply to anyone in CAP......No JTACs or SF Rangers here .

Exceptions in the USAF? C'mon, there has to be a written policy somewhere ;-)