So if/when I decide to rejoin soon with my daughter, do I stay a Captain? Ive been away from CAP for about 4 years.
Initially, you will be a SMOG until your CC approves and submits you to return to previous grade. When you get your Captain bars back it will be with zero time in grade. I had to go through it when I moved here to FL after about a 3 year break for college. The process took about 3 months if I remember.
You have to go back to encampment before you're considered for a commission in The Patrol. This isn't the Marine Corps, you know. We do things right around here.
Quote from: winterg on October 23, 2015, 10:42:41 AM
Initially, you will be a SMOG until your CC approves and submits you to return to previous grade. When you get your Captain bars back it will be with zero time in grade. I had to go through it when I moved here to FL after about a 3 year break for college. The process took about 3 months if I remember.
You also have to meet the "NEW" trading levels for Captain which is completion of Level 3.
Not necessarily. I was grandfathered for 1 promotion under the old table when I came back. Maybe he will as well.
Quote from: winterg on October 23, 2015, 12:10:37 PM
Not necessarily. I was grandfathered for 1 promotion under the old table when I came back. Maybe he will as well.
3-7. Former Members. A former member may be reinstated to the same grade held prior to voluntary membership termination, provided he or she qualifies for that grade under current criteria (including applicable professional development criteria). A recommendation for such reinstatement is neither automatic nor mandatory. If approved, the appointment will not be retroactive and the date of grade will be the date validated by National Headquarters upon reinstatement.
Maybe Ill just be a SSgt. >:D
Quote from: MSG Mac on October 23, 2015, 12:20:28 PM
Quote from: winterg on October 23, 2015, 12:10:37 PM
Not necessarily. I was grandfathered for 1 promotion under the old table when I came back. Maybe he will as well.
3-7. Former Members. A former member may be reinstated to the same grade held prior to voluntary membership termination, provided he or she qualifies for that grade under current criteria (including applicable professional development criteria). A recommendation for such reinstatement is neither automatic nor mandatory. If approved, the appointment will not be retroactive and the date of grade will be the date validated by National Headquarters upon reinstatement.
That doesn't disprove anything I said. My date of grade was my new appointment. But my promotion criteria was the old chart. This is most likely because it happened about 2 years ago. I do not know how they are handling handling reinstatements now. That's why I qualified it with "not necessarily."
It would actually be cool being a SMWOG with a 5 row stack of CAP ribbons. :) I can make up some story.... "yeah... wing conference... huge bar fight. Punched the National Commander. Got busted down." Then ill spit out a huge blob of tobacco spit.
Quote from: Flying Pig on October 23, 2015, 12:30:24 PM
It would actually be cool being a SMWOG with a 5 row stack of CAP ribbons. :) I can make up some story.... "yeah... wing conference... huge bar fight. Punched the National Commander. Got busted down."
[emoji12] I'd totally back that story if you were in my squadron! Haha
"Yeah, that guy over there.... dont talk bad about the Corps"
Winter-
If I recall correctly there was a cutoff date adopted because people were complaining in the order of "I have this much under the old criteria, now I only needed this tiny thingy, this change s_____ me up!"
I received my promo to Captain under the old regs...
That makes sense.
I could really care less about what rank I have. I got my Capt by being the Sq Commander. I never completed Level III. If I rejoin, Ill just plug away at it and get whatever I have coming.
Quote from: winterg on October 23, 2015, 12:28:05 PM
Quote from: MSG Mac on October 23, 2015, 12:20:28 PM
Quote from: winterg on October 23, 2015, 12:10:37 PM
Not necessarily. I was grandfathered for 1 promotion under the old table when I came back. Maybe he will as well.
3-7. Former Members. A former member may be reinstated to the same grade held prior to voluntary membership termination, provided he or she qualifies for that grade under current criteria (including applicable professional development criteria). A recommendation for such reinstatement is neither automatic nor mandatory. If approved, the appointment will not be retroactive and the date of grade will be the date validated by National Headquarters upon reinstatement.
That doesn't disprove anything I said. My date of grade was my new appointment. But my promotion criteria was the old chart. This is most likely because it happened about 2 years ago. I do not know how they are handling handling reinstatements now. That's why I qualified it with "not necessarily."
The new criteria was put in Aug 2014, so you did get it under the rules in effect at that time. Not grandfathered.
Well there you go. :)
Quote from: Flying Pig on October 23, 2015, 12:30:24 PM
It would actually be cool being a SMWOG with a 5 row stack of CAP ribbons. :) I can make up some story.... "yeah... wing conference... huge bar fight. Punched the National Commander. Got busted down." Then ill spit out a huge blob of tobacco spit.
"Grandpa! Grandpa! Tell us about the time you fought a hundred Nazis with your bare feet!"
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on October 23, 2015, 01:39:46 PM
Quote from: Flying Pig on October 23, 2015, 12:30:24 PM
It would actually be cool being a SMWOG with a 5 row stack of CAP ribbons. :) I can make up some story.... "yeah... wing conference... huge bar fight. Punched the National Commander. Got busted down." Then ill spit out a huge blob of tobacco spit.
"Grandpa! Grandpa! Tell us about the time you fought a hundred Nazis with your bare feet!"
That happened to me. After a 6 year break, I was still awaiting my Major leaves, and wore my 5 rows of 3 with no grade insignia for several weeks. There were only a few people in the unit who knew me from before and everyone wondered why this...new guy showed up with no rank and lots of bling, including observer wings and S/GTL badge.
I can only imagine the stories that floated around...
They tell me I was at that bar fight but I have no clear recollection. ???
Quote from: Protohuman on November 28, 2015, 04:17:31 PM
They tell me I was at that bar fight but I have no clear recollection. ???
Was that you I tagged in when the MPs came? Sorry about leaving you hangin but I had career to think about. You.. .ehhhh.... you were the dancer so I didn't think youd mind.
This one annoyed me. I was a major when I left, but returned as a Captain because I had not completed Level 4. In eServices it even shows the promotion to Major. Then the promotion to Captain again. The only thing I was missing was RSC.
Quote from: Toad1168 on November 30, 2015, 09:49:40 PM
This one annoyed me. I was a major when I left, but returned as a Captain because I had not completed Level 4. In eServices it even shows the promotion to Major. Then the promotion to Captain again. The only thing I was missing was RSC.
Is that pending the completion of Level 4 regardless of Time in Grade, or are you stuck at the starting end of O-3 and have to work your way back up?
It would be stuck at the beggining with a date of rank the same as his join date
The funny thing about it is now I've been a Captain since 1994 when I transitioned to senior.
Quote from: Toad1168 on November 30, 2015, 09:49:40 PM
This one annoyed me. I was a major when I left, but returned as a Captain because I had not completed Level 4. In eServices it even shows the promotion to Major. Then the promotion to Captain again. The only thing I was missing was RSC.
Quote from: CAPR 35-5, Para. 3-7
A former member may be reinstated to the same grade held prior to voluntary membership termination, provided he or she qualifies for that grade under current criteria (including applicable professional development criteria). A recommendation for such reinstatement is neither automatic nor mandatory. If approved, the appointment will not be retroactive and the date of grade will be the date validated by National Headquarters upon reinstatement.
I'm clear on the current reg, just stating that it annoys me.
Quote from: Toad1168 on December 01, 2015, 06:39:17 PM
I'm clear on the current reg, just stating that it annoys me.
A better solution may be to grant a temporary grade with the condition that the member meet all requirements by a certain date or revert to the previous grade.
Quote from: Storm Chaser on December 01, 2015, 06:46:12 PM
Quote from: Toad1168 on December 01, 2015, 06:39:17 PM
I'm clear on the current reg, just stating that it annoys me.
A better solution may be to grant a temporary grade with the condition that the member meet all requirements by a certain date or revert to the previous grade.
That does make sense. I agree with tightening up the requirements so that promotions are not given out at the drop of a hat or by the good ol boy method, however there should be a way to rejoin and not lose a grade. A grandfather clause with an expiration date.
Quote from: Storm Chaser on December 01, 2015, 06:46:12 PM
Quote from: Toad1168 on December 01, 2015, 06:39:17 PM
I'm clear on the current reg, just stating that it annoys me.
A better solution may be to grant a temporary grade with the condition that the member meet all requirements by a certain date or revert to the previous grade.
I agree with that.
I'm all about arguing the fairness vs. deserving of a grade, but I think in a case where someone formerly held a grade, they be reinstated to that grade on the basis that they complete all of the new requirements within a timely fashion in addition to forfeiture of eligibility for a promotion to a higher grade if they do not meet those requirements.
I see nothing wrong with temporary grade, as long as the member both agrees to come in at a lower grade until they are reacclimatized to the program, and then upon being given temporary grade, they agree to complete all new requirements.
In other words, someone who was a field grade officer in the 80's, and has been gone for 25 years, shouldn't walk in as a Major on day 1. They should wait a few months until the Squadron/Wing Commander feel they can take the responsibility on once again. I was gone for 13 years, and a lot changed in that time. I was fluent with ES and CP when I left, but wouldn't have been ready to take on CDC my first day back, as so much had changed in the period I was gone.
It is what it is, since rank does not indicate responsibility within CAP and only indicates progress within the PD system I see no reason you should retain the rank you had if you leave. You're under the requirements now, not what existed when you left. Plenty of people who were with the organization when the rules changed were affected thats the nature of the beast.
Why not take the RSC or the equivalent* course and ask for a waiver on TIG citing your previous service as a Major.
* Squadron Officer School or Senior NCO Course
Quote from: Alaric on December 03, 2015, 12:19:12 AM
It is what it is, since rank does not indicate responsibility within CAP and only indicates progress within the PD system I see no reason you should retain the rank you had if you leave. You're under the requirements now, not what existed when you left. Plenty of people who were with the organization when the rules changed were affected thats the nature of the beast.
True.
When you consider the military side of the rank structure, it is definitely easy to overlook the fact that rank in CAP is more symbolic than reflective of your training to be in that rank (or grade in this case). Yes, there are some barriers, but the insignia you wear doesn't really show your level of responsibility in CAP as duty positions aren't necessarily filled based on seniority or level of training/advancement; they're at Commander discretion in most cases.
Quote from: MSG Mac on December 03, 2015, 01:47:31 AM
Why not take the RSC or the equivalent* course and ask for a waiver on TIG citing your previous service as a Major.
* Squadron Officer School or Senior NCO Course
Hadn't thought about that route.
Quote from: Toad1168 on December 04, 2015, 05:53:21 PM
Quote from: MSG Mac on December 03, 2015, 01:47:31 AM
Why not take the RSC or the equivalent* course and ask for a waiver on TIG citing your previous service as a Major.
* Squadron Officer School or Senior NCO Course
Hadn't thought about that route.
You could always take the easy way: raise your right hand and get Major via military equivalency... ;)
Haha. I don't think a 42yo former cop would fit in. Especially on the age part.